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Andy wrote:I remember the good old days when New Order never hit a bum note. Virtuosity was the order of the day. Sobriety and clinical precision is surey lacking in this, the vilest of New Odours! LOL!
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I'll criticize NewOrderNow (or, in other words, New Order) for being a has-been tribute act if we don't get some kind of non-Lost Sirens new material by, say, the end of 2014. Until then, they're writing new material, they've been playing album deep tracks, they've been reworking old standards, and they sound really, really tight. If they're still touring The Setlist a year from now with no new stuff on the horizon, then maybe the detractors will have a point.
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I'm not sure what this set of YT vids proves, Tom seems to play it perfectly well from what I can see/hear, a little changed but nothing wrong as such. It's a little unfair comparing it to Finsbury Park which has clearly had overdubs done later (Hooky even seems to stop playing at one point, visually at least).
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leather-girl wrote:Blah blah blah.....no matter what he says, New Order are New Order. No, it's not. It's Now Order  |
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leather-girl wrote:All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this. It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion. |
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Stoo wrote:How many times does he have to say stuff like this?
The bass player left the band and they suddenly become a tribute band without him? The man's arrogance know's no boundaries. They didn’t reform behind his back and they never broke up anyway. Hooky left so surely they can do what they damn well want.
Having seen them live over the past year I can safely say they manage perfectly fine without him. I'm getting increasingly bored of his gobbing off to any paper or blog that will give him the time of day. I wish he would get over it and just move on.
See the amount of things that old Hooky is doing to make money. The name New Order is very strong and easy to make money with it. Think the old bass player deserves a piece of this pie too! |
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Aracri wrote:Some groups change their lineups, it's simple and quite common. And that doesn't make them tribute bands. Hooky continues his bizarre comparisons... 
I really think Tom Chapman's doing a good job in New Order, but it's obvious it would be much better if Hooky's still was with them. Now New Order has a new line up and that is it. Fook off Luis! Will not pay you a beer ever again! kkkkkkk What about our journey to Colombia in April?!?!?! |
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tarbox23 wrote:HAH! That is really all that needs to be said. PERFECT.   |
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Big Mouth Julio wrote:leather-girl wrote:All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this. It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion. Everybody in music is in it to make a living, to some degree, but I think New Order have tact. Not all songs they play are singles, either. Naturally quite a few would be singles, but claiming they don't do any album songs is just ridiculous. I know you like Hooky, but you can look at New Order's setlists for proof. To be fair, some would be singles, because people want to hear some of the famous songs. And if it only was for the money, why would they take the time to rework the songs, or create video backgrounds?
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leather-girl wrote:Big Mouth Julio wrote:leather-girl wrote:All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this. It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion. Everybody in music is in it to make a living, to some degree, but I think New Order have tact. Not all songs they play are singles, either. Naturally quite a few would be singles, but claiming they don't do any album songs is just ridiculous. I know you like Hooky, but you can look at New Order's setlists for proof. To be fair, some would be singles, because people want to hear some of the famous songs. And if it only was for the money, why would they take the time to rework the songs, or create video backgrounds? Maybe cause I am just an old bastard fan who likes the old fookin'stuff |
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Oh, and most bands around the world play quite a few of their singles live. It's not really common for bands to play mainly album tracks or do album tours. So, I don't understand that criticism from Hooky's fans.
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I'm getting paranoid now! my posts are vaishing!
I'll try again
I love both bands, they're both good live, but I'm bored with the album tours, some songs just don't work live, I much prefer New Orders reworking of 596 to Hooky's version with that god awful long intro where everyone will just go to the bog and miss the rest of it, but I prefer his Temptation
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It all depends on the types of audiences who attend. More knowledgeable fans want variety... less knowledgeable fans just wait around for a few songs they are familiar with, and those fans want the songs to sound exactly like the recording. If you don't get enough of the hard core base, you need to patronize the casual fair-whether dweebs. At a large stage at a festival, hundreds will just walk away if they do not recognize a song. Hooky's Light Division and Barney's Old Order sort of cater to different audience demographics, with some crossover. Will the novelty wear off? Edited by user 03 February 2013 09:33:21(UTC)
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Hmmm....It just seems that Hooky is always trying to take a shot at New Order whenever he can. Even when he's been doing promo for New Order releases...
On the legal side of things Hooky dissolved his partnership with New Order Ltd and started a new company. No problem with that. The man has to earn a living and he seems to be doing alright, that's great. However my understanding of the situation is that when Mr Hook dissolved his partnership with his old company, the company (N.O) should also have been dissolved and they have no right to continue trading under that name. I don't agree with that and I think they should be allowed to continue as they are. They are 3/4 of the original line up, that's good enough for me.
But that's not my main beef with Hooky, I'm just fed up of him slagging his old band off. A lot of what he says is just plain nasty. Has he looked at their set lists? There's quite a few album tracks in there as well as the hit's. Not everyone that's gone to the gigs know all these songs but the hits they will. I thought the set's have been well balanced. Tribute band they certainly ain't.
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Andy wrote:I remember the good old days when New Order never hit a bum note. Virtuosity was the order of the day. Sobriety and clinical precision is surey lacking in this, the vilest of New Odours! It's not about bum notes, Chapman played different lines altogether.
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Volturno wrote:It's not about bum notes, Chapman played different lines altogether. On one track. Which you keep going on about ignoring the other 15 songs he plays pretty much bang on. Still not entirely sure of the point in this rather laboured "Close Range" argument? You don't like his playing on it, fair enough. Conversely someone could point out how The Light screwed up the odd guitar riff, vocal melody or lyric here and there but what would be the point in that? It's a bit petty and pedantic and would get rightly mocked. I noticed Hooky get a few lyrics wrong at Koko the other week, would I do a Close Range-like whinge about it? I honestly couldn't be arsed, it's simply not a big deal and didn't ruin the song. For a song they only played twice you aren't half going on about it.
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Stoo wrote:On the legal side of things Hooky dissolved his partnership with New Order Ltd and started a new company. No problem with that. The man has to earn a living and he seems to be doing alright, that's great. However my understanding of the situation is that when Mr Hook dissolved his partnership with his old company, the company (N.O) should also have been dissolved and they have no right to continue trading under that name. I don't agree with that and I think they should be allowed to continue as they are. They are 3/4 of the original line up, that's good enough for me. I think you've got all that completely upside down. He's very much part of the original Ltd Company, just not the new one that was formed without him for New Order (Now) going forward. Edited by user 03 February 2013 12:36:32(UTC)
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Big Mouth Julio wrote:leather-girl wrote:All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this. It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion. Well, any group that plays live and you have to pay the tickets to see them perform obviously is doing it for money, right?  (except benefit concerts, of course)Edited by user 03 February 2013 14:32:22(UTC)
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Big Mouth Julio wrote:Aracri wrote:Some groups change their lineups, it's simple and quite common. And that doesn't make them tribute bands. Hooky continues his bizarre comparisons...
I really think Tom Chapman's doing a good job in New Order, but it's obvious it would be much better if Hooky's still was with them. Now New Order has a new line up and that is it. Fook off Luis! Will not pay you a beer ever again! kkkkkkk What about our journey to Colombia in April?!?!?! Not confirmed yet...  |
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When he meant it, he meant it! "Don't play ya fookin guitar here again!"   Edited by user 03 February 2013 16:13:58(UTC)
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the new (old)new order should do a uk tour playing a classic lp a night. then a encore of greatest hits
that is what other 80's bands do to very critical acclaim, ie, the cure. bunnymen,simple minds....
just an idea..
oh yeah. hooky's doing it
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neil larkcom wrote:the new (old)new order should do a uk tour playing a classic lp a night. then a encore of greatest hits
that is what other 80's bands do to very critical acclaim, ie, the cure. bunnymen,simple minds....
just an idea..
oh yeah. hooky's doing it
Not all songs from albums work live though....New Order should just tour the songs they want to play, instead of doing 'album tours'...New Order already have decent reviews without having to do that kind of tour, you know.
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leather-girl wrote:Not all songs from albums work live though....New Order should just tour the songs they want to play, instead of doing 'album tours'...New Order already have decent reviews without having to do that kind of tour, you know.[/size] As much as I may like them to, a Republic 20th Anniversary tour just isnt gonna happen  .
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Big Mouth Julio wrote:leather-girl wrote:Big Mouth Julio wrote:leather-girl wrote:All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this. It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion. Everybody in music is in it to make a living, to some degree, but I think New Order have tact. Not all songs they play are singles, either. Naturally quite a few would be singles, but claiming they don't do any album songs is just ridiculous. I know you like Hooky, but you can look at New Order's setlists for proof. To be fair, some would be singles, because people want to hear some of the famous songs. And if it only was for the money, why would they take the time to rework the songs, or create video backgrounds? Maybe cause I am just an old bastard fan who likes the old fookin'stuff
In the case of a successful band as New Order, the audience of a concert doesn't consists only by huge/hardcore fans... So is quite difficult to make a balanced/decent setlist to please everybody. Hits are the only way to do a gig for most and not only for the "extremists" (including me). C'est la vie.
Beyond that, New Order is such a different band since a long time and not after Hooky's quit. I remember an interview published in Brazil in the late 80's in which Steve Morris said if New Order had changed their next record could be a "True Faith Part II" or something like that. Well, after 1993 they did "True Faith-94", "Blue Monday-95", "1963 '95" and released a handful of compilations and remixes of their back catalogue. In other words, to do a lots of money with their past isn't a post-Hooky's departure practice. Both, the record company AND the band won ($) with that.
But I'm not pissed off. I still love New Order and his different incarnations (from Joy Division to this new lineup), but of course the band that I learned to admire when I was 11 doesn't exist anymore since much time. Bands are made of human beings and they change their minds over the years... Edited by user 04 February 2013 07:22:20(UTC)
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