update to blog:
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- ruined in a day preview up,

changed tracklisting by removing K-klass remix,
which was the same as the reunited in a day remix



later
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where exactly are we supposed to find these?

where are you looking?????
i can't check itunes JAPAN, but i doubt it has very much either.

i checked itunes USA:
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Series 1
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1 regret - 4 out 7 mixes
2 ruined in a day - 1 out 11 mixes, 0 out of 2 b-sides
3 world - 1 out of 11 mixes
4 spooky - 8 out of 9 mixes

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Series 2
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5 true faith 94 - 0 out of 9 mixes
6 1963-94 - 0 out of 7 mixes
7 lets go - 0 out of 4 mixes
(salvation tracks)

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Series 3
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8 blue monday 95 - 0 out of 12 mixes
9 video 586 - 0 out of 4
brutal - missing
10 true faith 2001 - 0 out of 9 mixes

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Series 4
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11 crystal part 1 - 1 out of 13, missing 5 b-sides
12 crystal part 2 - 60 mph - 0 out of 4, missing b-side
13 someone like you - 0 out 8 mixes
14 here to stay - 1 out of 4, missing b-side
world in motion 2002 missing
15 confusion 2002 - 0 out of 12 mixes

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Series 5
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16 krafty - 7 out of 13 mixes
17 jetstream - 8 out of 13 mixes
18 waiting for the sirens call - 0 out of 10 mixes
19 guilt is a useless emotion - 5 out of 13 mixes
hellbent - has it
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so basically, you can only find 36 out of 180-200 tracks..

thats about 20%.

what a joke.

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amazon is a lot worse, only has a few more mixes for 'guilt is a useless emotion', thats its.

and buying 20-25 singles off ebay, is way too much time and effort for most people.

itunes UK is the worst of all, only has the 'spooky' single and best of mixes.

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this project is a lot easier to deal with, and have everything conveniently located.

later
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Edited by user 21 November 2013 17:25:22(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

no one's forcing anyone to listen or get all of these.

i just think its disingenous to say, 'oh, they are available online',
when in fact, the vast majority aren't.

if people had an option to get them, they would, but they can't.

i've already mentioned it's too inconvenient to find 20-25 singles
individually on ebay, amazon.


also, you never answered my question, what about all the promo
mixes, vinyl, and compilation tracks?

there are a lot of b-sides in there too. it's not just mixes.

how are you supposed to buy or find things that were limited,
waiting for the sirens call (tribute mix) 10" only had 30 copies.

some of the promo's are completely out of print.


this is just a fun project for fans of new order.

just like the original recycle project, which now
seems to have had a lot more of it's tracks
officially released. but still a lot more that
haven't been.




if you don't want to hear the majority of their work, i guess
we can always go back to talking about ian curtis's table?

too me, the whole point of new order, is their music, good and bad.

perhaps you don't think of them as a music band? which is odd,
since you wanted to see their music book?

later
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Edited by user 22 November 2013 00:22:38(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

on a management note.

the blog has quite a few members now.
so we're ending enrollment for the project.

those that joined, will continue to get updates,
and what's posted here will be match it.

thanks for all the support, and we'll continue
to explore new order's music in depth there.

later
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They do, it just requires a bit of effort, how did other fans come to acquire them? I think while the original Recycle was beautifully executed and important one of the downsides was it created a side-effect of automatic entitlement with some people. I believe £50 Note commented on that himself at one point when some people almost demanded lossless copies over AAC. Now some expect whole releases to be available to them at a click and absolutely free of charge. It hasn't set a great precedent but there were no doubts £50 Note genuinely hoped the record label would pick up the project and run with it. The point remains with each of these mass give aways the chances of the label doing something (however slim) reduce further and your Recycle 2 will have the same impact once it hits the torrent sites (and it will, no matter how "private" you make it).



What about them? If you want them go and hunt them down, that's what I and many others here had to do sometimes at considerable cost. Sometimes via private trades over E-mail but mostly via Ebay. Again, there's that entitlement...



That's disingenuous because as you know it's mainly remixes, they only had 5 sporadic b-sides post-Factory:

Vicious Circle, Behind Closed Doors, Sabotage, Player In The League and Such A Good Thing - in that order.



100 copies, not 30. Again, if you really want one they are for sale on Discogs.



Promos are never "in print" to begin with as they're not meant for public consumption. They're pressed once and that's it.



Yes, for free.



Actually it did stop them in the case of The New Order Archives, or did you miss this? You may be interested in the bit "It was mentioned to me that the label has been focusing on me/the blog(s) as well.".

Best of luck with your blog etc. I'm sure your members will enjoy it but all the above points stand.

Edited by user 22 November 2013 03:40:40(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

you are basing your thoughts on a false assumption.

since you didn't join the blog, you have no idea about the
project parameters.

no body is expecting anything for free, they are investing their time,
and sharing their resources with each other. i would hardly call that free.

there will be no impact, because new order and their management never has and
will never provide the quality product that the fans can make by themselves. after
waiting 30 years, if the best they can do is retro, and the botched remasters,

i'm not willing to wait 30 more years for them to straighten their act out.




you have a different idea, maybe if you expanded that to include
all the non compilation tracks, and live tracks. it is a small
but significant amount.



i stand corrected, you are right, the 12" only had 30 copies. yes, they are
on sale, for a ridiculous amount though. no thanks. already have it.




and yet, i have countless promos in my hand, bought and paid for.
turning a blind eye to them does not make them disappear, and
neither do your definition of them.

most of them contain valuable mixes, and are an important
part of new orders history.





thanks appreciate it.

but if you think a bunch of tracks are going to miraculously appear
in FLAC/WAV for free. you have no idea how this project is going to work.
or what is going to come out of it.

none of your points make any difference in the scheme of things,
and it stands there will be many more to come.

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1 recycle+ - a entirely new take on the original recycle with a lot more missing, extra tracks and demos

2 remasters+ - what the remasters should have been, 2-4cd sets for each album, with the
missing tracks done properly

3 retro+ - what retro really should have been


etc. this is just the beginning.

if you and leather girl are not interested in this project,
and continue debating about the ethics of it, have no fear.

it won't change anyone's opinion about it. and it will just
continue to waste your time reading about it, and all the
other projects. you may safely resume commenting about their
apperance, pointless interviews, and the lack of anything
coming out from them in the future.

cheers.


later
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Edited by user 22 November 2013 07:33:36(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I wasn't denying their existence I was taking issue with your assertion that a promo can be "out of print". They're never "in print" like a normal album to begin with because they're not meant for the general public. A batch is pressed around the time they're needed for press and radio use and that's it.

Anyway we could argue this until the cows come home. I would say if this project is truly "private" and "enrolment is now closed" then there's no real need to post every single update regarding it on NOOL.

It's not my place to tell anyone what they can or can't do, but I'd like to state for the record that this project does not have any involvement from myself, Bruce, or Drew, and should not be confused with our original Recycle project in any way. We were given permission (to a point), and used a highly critical eye toward quality control - both in sound and artwork. We got as far as drafting out the post-Factory singles for a second project, but limits were imposed, and countless redundant edits were completely ignored. There's a difference between a listenable project, and hoarding.

Good luck.

Please (re)familiarise yourself with the NOOL forums Code Of Conduct which we're all expected to loosely abide by specifically these paragraphs:



You've posted purpose of your project and how to contact you regarding it, that should be sufficient. Digital Republic is not here for exclusive publicity for a private project which you've just closed access to anyway. It's also not really for you decide that your Edits project is more valid than current interviews by band members or their current projects. Having said that nobody's stopping anyone from discussing Recycle 2 on this thread.

I would ask please do not link files of copyrighted material directly onto these forum, take it off site via a PM.

The band and their management are known to frequent these forums and we want to try and maintain a good relationship with them.

Thanks

Edited by user 22 November 2013 09:35:34(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Oh yeah, thats the one Ive got. I must mean the NO mix, with all the trashy samples all over it. I have it on a much abused cassete so if there's a better copy I'm interested.

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If you didn't already know, your PM box is full.

Ta
R.