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negative1		#1 Posted : 13 November 2013 06:36:45(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		ok, thanks to 50pound note, and his friends, we had an excellent version of what recycle the box set would have been like. but what about the rest? the ones that came after world in motion? it's time to revisit that idea. i'm slowly working on the listings, and will be posting them on a blog shortly.. basically it will cover these singles: ====================== 1 regret 2 ruined in a day 3 world 4 spooky 5 true faith 94 6 1963-94 7 lets go (salvation tracks) 8 blue monday 95 9 video 586 9b brutal 10 true faith 2001 11 crystal 12 60 mph 13 someone like you 14 here to stay 14b world in motion 2002 15 confusion 2002 16 krafty 17 jetstream 18 waiting for the sirens call 19 guilt is a useless emotion 19b hellbent ======================== we will visit each single separately, and see what tracks can go on them. later -1 Edited by user 13 November 2013 06:47:34(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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negative1		#2 Posted : 13 November 2013 06:54:42(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		the following singles won't be represented: 808 state acid house mixes jamx deleon - blue monday 2005 run wild record store day - ceremony -- dj mixes crystal competition mixes some, but not all the tracks from the 12x12 singles. that will be a separate project. ============================================= as an added bonus disc, 20 the peter saville show sountrack will be included. http://www.niagara.edu/n...der/singles/saville.html later -1 Edited by user 13 November 2013 06:57:34(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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NotAMod		#3 Posted : 13 November 2013 09:10:07(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1112 time(s) in 676 post(s)		If you start uploading mass amounts of copyrighted material Warner Music may get a little cross with you. Not to mention the band and/or their management who are known to actively read these forums. Most of what you're proposing above is still purchasable or widely available second hand so people can still buy it. If the New Order Archives who offered obscure live shows was hit with a cease and desist, how long do you really think your public "Recycle 2" will last? Edited by user 13 November 2013 09:11:02(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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negative1		#4 Posted : 13 November 2013 09:12:02(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		NotAMod wrote: If you start uploading mass amounts of copyrighted material Warner Music may get a little cross with you. Not to mention the band and/or their management who are known to actively read these forums. Most of what you're proposing above is still purchasable or widely available second hand so people can still buy it. If the New Order Archives who offered obscure live shows was hit with a cease and desist, how long do you really think your public "Recycle 2" will last? i'm not worried in the least bit. it's a private blog. i'm just announcing it here. no harm in discussing their music. later -1 Edited by user 13 November 2013 09:17:58(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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NotAMod		#5 Posted : 13 November 2013 09:29:49(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1112 time(s) in 676 post(s)		Assuming you're not planning on uploading any tracks (just discuss fantasy track listings) then even still, why? There are plenty of New Order Discographies around the web encompassing the London Records-era singles; not to mention Discogs. If you're planning on actually uploading tracks then... er, see above again.

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negative1		#6 Posted : 15 November 2013 09:55:39(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		for the first title from the first set of singles, we look at regret: ================== regret was the return of new order, with the album republic. there were several remixes, spread across vinyl and cd. most of the mixes were on the cd-single. the sabres slow n low edit was on retro. all of these are sourced of cd. the japanese republic had the 2 sabres mixes, also there was a french promo cd, that had those also. the radio edit is exclusive from: http://www.discogs.com/N...er-Regret/release/878375 for the first single we have these: Code: --------------------------------------------------------- 1 regret (or 7 inch version) 4:08 v, cd, cs, ld optional -regret (radio edit) 3:50 cd 2 regret (the new order mix) 5:10 v, cd, cs 3 regret (fire island mix) 7:15 v, cd, cs 4 regret (junior dub mix) 7:44 v, cd, cs 5 regret (sabres slow 'n' low) 12:49 v, cd 6 regret (sabres fast 'n' throb) 12:11 v, cd 7 regret (sabres slow 'n' low edit) 6:41 cd ================================ about 52 minutes later -1

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negative1		#7 Posted : 15 November 2013 10:09:59(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		NOTE : the private blog is up, which will have previews, PM me for an invite i'll still post updates here for discussion, since its easier using a forum: ============================================= heres some early artwork, conventional: ========== alternate: ======================== later -1 Edited by user 15 November 2013 10:10:31(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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negative1		#9 Posted : 15 November 2013 11:37:55(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		tarbox23 wrote: -1, the lead R in Regret is bizarrely out of balance IMHO (odd for a serif font, that technique might possibly work in allcap, or sans serif) ---- not very saville --- might want to tweak that --- just some advice from a fellow designer thanks, need all the help i can get... i will actually try to match up the fonts wherever i can.. this is a very early draft..

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No Barcode		#10 Posted : 15 November 2013 16:46:19(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 25/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 157 Thanks: 18 times Was thanked: 187 time(s) in 159 post(s)		What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it? 'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing'). Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion.

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negative1		#11 Posted : 15 November 2013 21:10:22(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		No Barcode wrote: What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it? yes, according to both: ======================= http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/ http://www.discogs.com/N...-True-Faith/master/41131 (last 3-4 entries) Quote: 'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing'). right on both... however, if we go chronologically, that's when it wss released. the point of including world in motion, was precisely to include the new b-side song. Quote: Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion. i prefer only new order tracks and mixes up to 1987. everything after this is pretty subpar. however, there's a huge part of their catalog that incorporates these tracks.. and for the sake of completeness, its well worth cataloging them. i intend on doing a recycle+ compilation, and going back and revisiting all the previous singles, and adding in some extra tracks, and mixes also. later -1

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negative1		#12 Posted : 15 November 2013 22:37:48(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		Ruined in a day was the second single: 2 separate cd singles came out. also, a few more mixes on vinyl (promo), and a few later promo mixes on cd. there was a new b-side called 'vicious circle', which was an instrumental with one mix on cd, and the other on cassette. Code: ================ 1 ruined in a day (best of) (or single version) 3:58 v, cd, cs, ld 2 ruined in a day (ambient mix) 5:44 v, cd, cs 3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day) 6:14 v, cd, cs 4 ruined in a day (sly & robbie radio edit) 4:30 v, cd, cs 5 ruined in a day (bogle mix or 12") 4:30 v, cd, cs 6 ruined in a day (dance hall groove) 5:25 v, cd, cs 7 ruined in a day (rhythm twins dub) 4:28 v, cd, cs 8 ruined in a day (live mix) 4:30 v, cd, cs 9 ruined in a day (k-klass edit) 3:55 cd 10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix) 6:14 v, cd, cs 11 ruined in a day (instrumental) 6:14 v, cs ================================== 58 minutes 12 vicious circle (mike haas mix) 3:23 cd, cs 13 vicious circle (new order mix) 4:09 cs -------------------------------------------------------------- total 58+7:30 = 65min:30sec later -1

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negative1		#13 Posted : 15 November 2013 22:43:01(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		here is some early artwork for 'ruined in a day': conventional: alternate: later -1

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negative1		#14 Posted : 17 November 2013 12:44:06(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		ok, just to clarify some issues. i've been asked a few questions, so will reply to them here. =========================================== 1) what is the goal of this project? to create a supplemental listing of new order tracks similar to the previously released recycled project 2) is this for sale? definitely not. this is a fan based project, made for personal and private, non-public use. 3) what is the blog for? the blog is for a more private sharing of the ideas with more freedom than the forum or mailing list 4) how do i sign up? pm or email me. once you do that, you can sign up by yourself for an account. or alternatively, i can invite you if you provide an email. 5) where are all the tracks? there aren't any yet. if there are, they will be preview versions. this project has 3 stages) 1- pre-production 2) production 3) final release we are currently at stage 1 6) what is the final product? a listing of the files, and perhaps a playlist, and artwork for anything further consult the blog for updates. thanks for your participation, or you just want to lurk and observe, feel free to do so. however, those that participate with ideas, tracks, artwork, will receive the most benefit. thanks again, and enjoy. later -1

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negative1		#15 Posted : 17 November 2013 12:55:16(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		the blog has been updated: ========================== - first preview updates - updated tracks listing reference to v1.06 with new additions check it out. later -1 Edited by user 17 November 2013 13:10:08(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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negative1		#16 Posted : 18 November 2013 18:53:15(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		Recycle 2 - Series 1 ==================== Code: Series 1 ====================== 1 regret 2 ruined in a day 3 world 4 spooky ---------------------------------------- For series 1, we have the following: ------------------------------------ regret was the return of new order, with the album republic. there were several remixes, spread across vinyl and cd. most of the mixes were on the cd-single. the sabres slow n low edit was on retro. all of these are sourced of cd. the japanese republic had the 2 sabres mixes, also there was a french promo cd, that had those also. for the first single we have these: --------------------------------------------------------- 1 regret (or 7 inch version) 4:08 v, cd, cs, ld 2 regret (the new order mix) 5:10 v, cd, cs 3 regret (fire island mix) 7:15 v, cd, cs 4 regret (junior dub mix) 7:44 v, cd, cs 5 regret (sabres slow 'n' low) 12:49 v, cd 6 regret (sabres fast 'n' throb) 12:11 v, cd 7 regret (sabres slow 'n' low edit) 6:41 cd ================================ about 52 minutes tracks 1-4 from uk/us cd single tracks 5-6 from japanese Republic/french promo cd single track 7 from retro boxed set Ruined in a day was the second single: 2 separate cd singles came out. also, a few more mixes on vinyl (promo), and a few later promo mixes on cd. there was a new b-side called 'vicious circle', which was an instrumental with one mix on cd, and the other on cassette. ================ 1 ruined in a day (best of) (or single version) 3:58 v, cd, cs, ld 2 ruined in a day (ambient mix) 5:44 v, cd, cs 3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day) 6:14 v, cd, cs 4 ruined in a day (sly & robbie radio edit) 4:30 v, cd, cs 5 ruined in a day (bogle mix or 12") 4:30 v, cd, cs 6 ruined in a day (dance hall groove) 5:25 v, cd, cs 7 ruined in a day (rhythm twins dub) 4:28 v, cd, cs 8 ruined in a day (live mix) 4:30 v, cd, cs 9 ruined in a day (k-klass edit) 3:55 cd 10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix) 6:14 v, cd, cs 11 ruined in a day (instrumental) 6:14 v, cs ================================== 58 minutes 12 vicious circle (mike haas mix) 3:23 cd, cs 13 vicious circle (new order mix) 4:09 cs -------------------------------------------------------------- total 58+7:30 = 65min:30sec tracks 1-3, 12 from uk cd1 tracks 4-8, from uk cd2 track 9, from uk promo cd track 10, from rest of cd track 11, from us/uk promo 12" track 13, from uk cs, sourced from 'recycle excerpts cd' the third single: world this was also a multi format release spanning many different mixes. there were 2 separate cd singles following the pattern of the last single. most of the mixes were included on the 2nd single. =========================== 1 world (perfecto edit) 3:58 cd, cs 2 world (uk radio edit) 3:58 cd, cs 3 world (perfecto mix) 7:33 v, cd, cs 4 world (sexy disco dub) 5:56 v, cd, cs 5 world (the brothers in rhythm mix) 8:03 v, cd, cs 6 world (the brothers dubstrumental) 5:39 v, cd 7 world (world in action mix) 5:51 v, cd, cs 8 world (pharmacy dub) 7:06 v, cd 9 world (the price of dub) 6:48 v 10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit) 3:39 v, cd, cs, ld 11 world (tony garcia radio edit) 3:28 cd ================================= 60 minutes tracks 1-4 from uk cd1 tracks 5-8 from uk cd2 track 9 from ruined in a day uk 12" track 10 from us cd track 11 from cd 'excerpts from recycle' ===================================================== spooky, the 4th and final single: the first part concentrated on the remixes done by the group fluke. (another one of my favorite bands). ======================================================= 1 spooky (minimix or radio edit) 3:48 cd, cs, ld 2 spooky (magimix) 6:55 v, cd, cs 3 spooky (moulimix) 5:49 v, cd, cs 4 spooky (out of order mix) 6:19 v, cd 5 spooky (stadium mix) 6:30 v, cd 6 spooky (neworder in heaven) 6:10 v, cd 7 spooky (boo! dub mix) 4:56 v, cd 8 spooky (stadium instrumental) 6:32 v, cd 9 spooky (night tripper mix) 7:02 v, cd =================================================== 53min tracks 1-3 from uk cd1 tracks 4-8 from uk cd2 track 9 from us cd/uk cd for 1963-95 ============================================ totals : 40 songs promos : 2 formats : 2 vinyl, 1 cassette, 37 cd ============================================ Time : 4 hours Edited by user 18 November 2013 18:58:48(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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negative1		#17 Posted : 19 November 2013 02:39:48(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		tarbox23 wrote: -1, the lead R in Regret is bizarrely out of balance IMHO (odd for a serif font, that technique might possibly work in allcap, or sans serif) ---- not very saville --- might want to tweak that --- just some advice from a fellow designer here's some updated versions with the tracklistings: conventional: alternate: later -1

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negative1		#18 Posted : 19 November 2013 03:29:12(UTC)
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Andy		#19 Posted : 19 November 2013 09:23:18(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,221 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3344 time(s) in 2241 post(s)		negative1 wrote: No Barcode wrote: What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it? yes, according to both: ======================= http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/ http://www.discogs.com/N...-True-Faith/master/41131 (last 3-4 entries) Quote: 'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing'). right on both... however, if we go chronologically, that's when it wss released. the point of including world in motion, was precisely to include the new b-side song. Quote: Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion. i prefer only new order tracks and mixes up to 1987. everything after this is pretty subpar. however, there's a huge part of their catalog that incorporates these tracks.. and for the sake of completeness, its well worth cataloging them. i intend on doing a recycle+ compilation, and going back and revisiting all the previous singles, and adding in some extra tracks, and mixes also. later -1 Quite a lot of time and effort spent on a band whose last quarter century of work you dismiss.
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negative1		#20 Posted : 19 November 2013 10:44:08(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		Andy wrote: Quite a lot of time and effort spent on a band whose last quarter century of work you dismiss. agreed, but still fun to chronicle. the last good album from them was in 1983 with 'power corruption and lies', although 'low-life' was very good, and 'brotherhood' was ok. i don't really like their albums, but they have a lot of variety in their mixes. i listen to a lot of techno, and electronica, so when they have gone down that road, i tend to listen. some of the mixes of 'waiting for the sirens call', such as the planet funk one were very listenable,as were blue monday 95 mixes by hardfloor, and others. there's a handful from here and there that add up to a decent collection. later -1 Edited by user 19 November 2013 16:18:11(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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indiearchivist		#21 Posted : 19 November 2013 13:52:06(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 15/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 26 Was thanked: 29 time(s) in 26 post(s)		Quote: Code: 3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day) 6:14 v, cd, cs 10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix) 6:14 v, cd, cs Code: 2 world (uk radio edit) 3:58 cd, cs 10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit) 3:39 v, cd, cs, ld These are the same thing. UK World timing is incorrect (3:58 is the Perfecto edit). There is another, arguably superior, UK radio edit ("Spike's mix") but it was only used in the video (with added sounds from waves, motorboat, bikes etc). I don't think I've ever heard a "clean" copy of that mix. In an ideal world, that would be on a "Republic" bonus disc if a 2CD release of that ever happens. Or even better, a full length mix. The album version is clearly an edit too.

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reg guy		#22 Posted : 19 November 2013 23:09:12(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 12/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 7 Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 7 post(s)		wasn't this already done? like everything on mp3, nice graphics. even a wooden box as I recall. http://mail.spotnick.com...List.aspx?ThreadID=43797

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negative1		#23 Posted : 20 November 2013 04:51:20(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,188 Thanks: 938 times Was thanked: 1781 time(s) in 1190 post(s)		reg guy wrote: wasn't this already done? like everything on mp3, nice graphics. even a wooden box as I recall. http://mail.spotnick.com...List.aspx?ThreadID=43797 not really. did you get anything out of that? was anything released? did anybody share it? completely different project, with a similar idea, thats about it. this is more like a continuation of the work that 50pound did with their recycle project. later -1

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Eimi		#24 Posted : 20 November 2013 05:47:10(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 688 Location: Japan Thanks: 528 times Was thanked: 875 time(s) in 688 post(s)		I don't really see the point, as most of those songs are pretty available (auction, iTunes-type services, etc)..... And it could get you in trouble. I don't make these kinds of rules, but you know, we have to abide by them.
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NotAMod		#25 Posted : 20 November 2013 06:43:19(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1112 time(s) in 676 post(s)		Endlessly cataloging the various edits and remix variations will bloat the project and will turn many people off. The reason the original Recycle was a success was because there were barely any remixes on the earlier singles and even by the time of Technique there were only two or three. It didn't cover every obscure edit or bootleg mix and was all the better for it; it was succinct. Cataloging 25+ remixes of Crystal or 15+ of Jetstream is just a bit dull and OCD really. A further reason the original Recycle was a success was due to the sound on these various CD and vinyl tracks being enhanced; are there any audio specialists working on your Recycle 2? The point still stands a lot of the material you will be releasing is still available to buy and giving it away en masse for free to "anyone who sends me a PM" will dent the band's income; we're not talking swapping a few FLACs or the odd album under the radar. At least the original Recycle focused mostly on tracks which were long out of print or languishing on dusty Factory vinyl.

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