The opening lyrics are slightly different to the original 83 version & 88 remix and the same as Brain Mix - sounds like the same take was used.

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I'm pretty sure all the vocal versions of 'Blue Monday 1988' featured the original 1983 vocals - with the exception of this newly released Michael Johnson Mix.

The 1995 Brain Mix has the lyrics from the aborted "Sunkist is the one" advert right at the end. Is it therefore possible that when they worked on that advert, a completely new vocal take for all of 'Blue Monday' was recorded, and that's the vocal track that was shared with remixers for the 1995 release (possibly in error) - and also appeared on this new 1988 version?

Does anyone know when they were working on that Sunkist advert? It's mentioned in NewOrderStory, so it must vahe been before 1993 - and given this new mix, possibly before 1988.

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I've heard three stories about this time:

1) I remember reading a comment on a YouTube upload of that 'advert' from NewOrderStory. The guy commenting said he worked for an advertising company, loved the band, and came up with the idea for the commercial.
He tried to sell it to the band but, ultimately, they wouldn't do it. From all accounts, the video shown on NOS was just a 'mock up' and never intended for release (not sure if the advertising company did it or it was a later thing done by the producers of the documentary). After all, Hooky flips the bird in it, so not sanitary enough for a TV commercial, I wouldn't've thought.

2) The band re-recorded the vocals for the 1988 version, but Quincey/Potoker preferred the original vocals (too right!), so shelved the 1988 re-recorded vocals.

3) When the 95 remixes were commissioned, the vocals supplied to remixers included lines recorded for the Sunkist commercial. This was apparently an error and shouldn't've been included.




So, pure speculation on my part, but a possible timeline was:

a) Advertising company approached the band about the ad, who said they'd think about it.
b) (Possibly unrelated) Band decided to get Jones/Potoker/Johnson to remix Blue Monday.
c) Bernard recorded new vocals. As the advert was still a possibility at this point, they decided to record the vocals for that commercial at the same time.
d) Quincey at al decided not to use the new vocals.
e) Band (or Gretton, apparently) decided not to go through with the ad.
f) Tapes containing new vocals and Sunkist vocals lurk in the vaults until 1993.
g) Morley/Gretton etc. dig out the vocals to the ad for use in NewOrderStory and a 'mock up' video is created .
h) Again, vocals are mothballed until 1995 when new remixes are commissioned. These may or may not have contained the Sunkist vocals which were then used in the Brain Remix (alternatively, of course, the remixer might just have sampled NewOrderStory).



Perhaps JJ can shed some light here.

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Agreed that what appears in NewOrderStory is just a "what if." Barney says he couldn't get through the singing because the lyrics were so corny, but at least one take with the Sunkist lyrics was completed because it shows up in the '95 remixes.

Ah. Yeah, that makes sense.
I think it's probably a good thing they didn't do it.

Thanks for finding the comment, D. Knew I wasn't imagining it.

Certainly seems then that the video was a mock up for NewOrderStory.

This is the kind of information I'd expect to read on the books that come within the box sets. Track by track, preferably.

anyone know the story about 'evil dust'?


i first got it on this compilation cassette :


https://www.discogs.com/...Exclusive-Techno-Remixes


which is actually an industrial music compilation..

then got it lp, and cd:
https://www.discogs.com/...ky-Alternatives-Volume-1





finally of course, it came as an extra track on the true faith CDV: https://www.discogs.com/...979-New-Order-True-Faith


it's been on 20 other compilation cds since then..

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was it going to be a single?

it would have been great.

very dark, sinister lyrics.

excellent musical parts, breakdowns sounds.
- the piano solo is amazing
- followed by the cool drum and synth solos
- the alarm bell leading in the strings
- the fuzzy guitar solo at the end.

the evil dust version has a 'harmonica' sound solo in it? or is it a melodica..

all in under 4 minutes.

it really needed a good extended mix.. however evil dust is mostly instrumental..
made my own mix.. but really need to try again...


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next up .. was 'way of life' going to be a single in the US?
there was a 12 inch promo... the album cut.

another one of my favorite songs from them.

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Here's an extended mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9bqficwSio

pretty average, they just put 1/2 of evil dust - then the album version - the 2nd half of evil dust at the end.

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i understand keeping the Be Music tracks separate. Aside from them having recently been collected in the New Order Presents Be Music box, it would sort of be akin to including Revenge tracks in the Technique box.

Wonder how the Making Out tracks fit in. I think the first couple of series credited the music to New Order, but series three (when the production of the music changed slightly) was just The Other Two. I'd assume we'll get some of the series 1&2 tracks on the Technique set ('Vanishing Point' (Instrumenal Making Out Mix)' was on the 'Round & Round' single, after all.

Always wondered if Barney had any involvement in the Making Out tracks - it's certainly got Hooky on there.

Thanks. yeah - I do know it, but it's only in recent years it's been labelled as 'Peter Hook' and 'Lavolta Lakota Theme'.
Just wondered if this was the correct designation, as it hadn't been labelled like that previously.