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#226 Posted : 21 November 2024 05:08:50(UTC)
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Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool Big Grin



Great stuff! Enjoy!

I'm looking forward to mine tomorrow.


Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?
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#227 Posted : 21 November 2024 05:45:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: In A Noisy Place Go to Quoted Post
Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool Big Grin

Whereabouts are you, and where did you order it from? I'm in UK, and Amazon haven't been so good at getting items to me on release date in recent months - even with Prime. My order currently says its due Tuesday, and all that Black Friday nonsense starts tomorrow - so worried it's not going to get to me tomorrow.

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#228 Posted : 21 November 2024 06:52:51(UTC)
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Hmmm.

Mine from Amazon also says Tuesday. For the box-set and the accompanying 12"s.

Well, that is disappointing.
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#229 Posted : 21 November 2024 07:18:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Hmmm.

Mine from Amazon also says Tuesday. For the box-set and the accompanying 12"s.

Well, that is disappointing.

If you ordered it today on Amazon, it says delivery would be on Thu 28th! Perhaps they're managing expectations due to Black Friday week.
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#230 Posted : 21 November 2024 07:24:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
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Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool Big Grin

Whereabouts are you, and where did you order it from? I'm in UK, and Amazon haven't been so good at getting items to me on release date in recent months - even with Prime. My order currently says its due Tuesday, and all that Black Friday nonsense starts tomorrow - so worried it's not going to get to me tomorrow.


In France,
FNAC delivers today. I've ordered on Amazon, and will receive it tomorrow (if Amazon do what they say in the mail I received today).
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#231 Posted : 21 November 2024 07:43:44(UTC)
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The guy that runs SDE is a bit of a tit ...

... His snotty attitude to a valid concern will make sure I never click on any of the affiliate links.

Yeah f**k that guy!


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Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool Big Grin


Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?

You are obsessed! Big Grin


So what completely unheard gems do we still have to look forward to ?
These ones?

Shellshock (AOR Version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-26Ba2-dejM
As It Is When It Was (Japan Demo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reExTe0dZjo
Broken Promise (Instrumental) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfTbXiYCjAM
All Day Long (Instrumental) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KJODVjp1w
Every Little Counts (Full Length) (can't find video)
Skullcrusher (Full Length) (Can't find video)

That it?

The above videos will presumbly work after midnight tonight.
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#232 Posted : 21 November 2024 08:45:12(UTC)
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Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool Big Grin


Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?

You are obsessed! Big Grin



Completely! Big Grin

I'm still bitter that my PC&L one didn't come with one. Ordered that one from the NO Store too. You'd think they would've definitely had the more 'complete' set.
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#233 Posted : 21 November 2024 09:49:29(UTC)
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Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool Big Grin


Don't open it until midnight!

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#234 Posted : 21 November 2024 10:27:54(UTC)
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Somewhere in the world (New Zealand) it is already Friday, so the new Brotherhood audio is officially "out there". Which must be how I have found myself listening to it (ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies).

First thoughts on the audio extras:

Shellshock (AOR version). Oh this is like the Pretty In Pink version! But slightly different here and there.
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It's similar to the Pretty In Pink version, but a different edit, same running time weirdly. It also has the extra lines.

Well you did tell us!
It's fine, I would probably agree with Perspex's prediction (page 4 here): better than the 12".

As It Is When It Was (Japan demo). Well there are vocals on this demo. A different vocal take I think: no Bernard whoops and also no "oooh" at the very end. The vocal sounds lower in the mix at times. The mix overall is perhaps a bit less polished. Acoustic guitar higher in the mix. It's slightly shorter too: 3:30 instead of 3:45.

Broken Promise (instrumental). It is what it says on the tin. I think it would work quite well soundtracking some muddy car rally footage or "footballs toughest tackles", especially the second half of the track. Bernard's vocals on the original song aren't particularly great, so without the vox...it rocks! Same length as the original.

All Day Long (instrumental). Ever wanted to do Kareoke on this track? Now you can! But it's the ending that surprised me. The track is 5:33 long rather than 5:12. It doesn't fade out, instead it sort of breaks down to the "Wagner" strings and ends on a cold ending. And honestly, this is better! I LOVE this ending. I LOVE IT!! Maybe there were time constraints on the original album but really, THIS is how the track should have ended. Even more imperious than the original, but without the vocals. Now we need someone to splice the two versions together so we can have a longer vocal version.

Every Little Counts (Full length). Maybe a bit disappointing after the above. The discordant ending goes on and on, like a descent into hell - might be useful for a horror movie soundtrack. I can see why they cut this one short. Eventually the discordant stuff tails off and THEN we get the record scratch. It's still there. But I wanted it to come sooner. Hey ho...

Skullcrusher (full length). i listen to this tune so rarely and I care so little for it, that I'm not qualified to comment. Soz!

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#235 Posted : 21 November 2024 13:17:25(UTC)
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This was an excellent interview.

Interviewer really knew his stuff and Steve revealed a lot of info that I didn’t know.

Nice that he revealed why the Stephen Hague mix of BLT happened.
Also, like the Shellshock/sewing machine anecdote.

Thanks for posting Mr. D!
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#236 Posted : 21 November 2024 15:05:16(UTC)
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For those interested, Junodownload appear to have the cheapest lossless version of the CD content at £19.99 here: https://www.junodownload.com/pro...tive-edition/6875436-02/ (I've ordered)

Personally, this is the first physical Definitive box I'm not pre-ordering, which is a shame. As has been echoed elsewhere, the launch price is too high. Closer to the £100-110 mark seems a bit more reasonable, so I'll wait. Indeed, that is what Amazon US are apparently selling it for, more or less after exchange rate and delivery.

Am sure it is a high quality an item as the previous 3 boxes were plus, absolutely no disrespect to JJ who we're lucky to have advising on each one but the Warner conglomerate or "market forces" determining that launch price in the UK can sod off. Throw in an extra CD with 12" and 7" single edits of the time then yes, the price becomes a bit more palatable. Many, many other bands are issuing Blu-ray editions for far less. The recent and relatively cheap Bowie/Ziggy reissue is amazing, and it cost me £20. The mind boggles at how the £159 figure (before postage) was arrived at.

I may or may not change my mind if a sealed copy somehow appears in front of me in a local record shop. I've been used to compiling a mega box set with rips of the DVD audio content from release day from the previous boxes.

My Academy VHS transfer with it's butchered Dreams Never End/Interview will need to keep me going slightly longer eh.

EDIT: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/673d4f80f7bc0b5cf7998b28 may offer an even cheaper price, dependent on your exchange rate.

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#237 Posted : 21 November 2024 22:09:34(UTC)
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Shellshock (AOR Version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-26Ba2-dejM
As It Is When It Was (Japan Demo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reExTe0dZjo
Broken Promise (Instrumental) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfTbXiYCjAM
All Day Long (Instrumental) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KJODVjp1w
Every Little Counts (Full Length) (can't find video)
Skullcrusher (Full Length) (Can't find video)

That it?

The above videos will presumbly work after midnight tonight.


the tracks are up...

shellshock - very familiar sounding, not too many differences that i noticed,
its basically all the verses put into a shorter sounding edit

As It Is When It Was (Japan Demo) not that different from the original, but yes a different vocal on it, and few missing bernard sounds

Broken Promise (Instrumental) very short, brief, energetic version, a lot of the guitar solos stand out on it.

All Day Long (Instrumental) a longer instrumental version as described, nice clean sounding keyboards, and bass

Every Little Counts (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZMwn83eCRg
just a longer ending..

Skullcrusher (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6_3uF-YLZI
again, slight differences, but not much

later
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#238 Posted : 21 November 2024 23:54:52(UTC)
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Hmmm.

Mine from Amazon also says Tuesday. For the box-set and the accompanying 12"s.

Well, that is disappointing.

If you ordered it today on Amazon, it says delivery would be on Thu 28th! Perhaps they're managing expectations due to Black Friday week.

Amazon still says arriving Tuesday, despite me pre-ordering weeks ago. If you ordered it there today, you wouldn't get it until 7 - 13 December, and Prime delivery is no longer available.

My guess is Amazon either have limited stock, or Warners have been slow getting their stock to them. I notice the price has dropped to £131.35, so we'll see if that gets reflected in that Price drop guarantee thing (perhaps not if today is officially the release day, and they only dropped the price today.

Damn annoying. Gotta find a more reliable UK record shop to order future boxed sets from.

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#239 Posted : 22 November 2024 00:20:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?


No 'obi'
(comes from the French FNAC website)
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#240 Posted : 22 November 2024 00:28:36(UTC)
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Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool Big Grin

Whereabouts are you, and where did you order it from? I'm in UK, and Amazon haven't been so good at getting items to me on release date in recent months - even with Prime. My order currently says it's due Tuesday, and all that Black Friday nonsense starts tomorrow - so worried it's not going to get to me tomorrow.

Ordered it (and live) in France at the FNAC website few days after the announcement. I'm lucky on this one. Unusual for me to receive preorders so early. Usually they are rather late (on Saturday or the week after...)

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Mine from Amazon also says Tuesday. For the box-set and the accompanying 12"s.
On the other hand, I ordered the 12''s at Amazon France and had no news from them... expected delivery: 26 or 27 November (Tuesday or Wednesday) Oh well
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#242 Posted : 22 November 2024 00:38:26(UTC)
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Just received my copy this morning, one day before release, cool Big Grin


Don't open it until midnight!

Laugh Oops!

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Did it come with one of those wraparound 'obi'-style bands?


No 'obi'
(comes from the French FNAC website)


Thanks for letting me know. I'll assume that all editions are without an 'obi'. But, if I do get one, I'll update here.



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Hmmm.

Mine from Amazon also says Tuesday. For the box-set and the accompanying 12"s.

Well, that is disappointing.

If you ordered it today on Amazon, it says delivery would be on Thu 28th! Perhaps they're managing expectations due to Black Friday week.

Amazon still says arriving Tuesday, despite me pre-ordering weeks ago. If you ordered it there today, you wouldn't get it until 7 - 13 December, and Prime delivery is no longer available.

My guess is Amazon either have limited stock, or Warners have been slow getting their stock to them. I notice the price has dropped to £131.35, so we'll see if that gets reflected in that Price drop guarantee thing (perhaps not if today is officially the release day, and they only dropped the price today.

Damn annoying. Gotta find a more reliable UK record shop to order future boxed sets from.



This is pretty frustrating. Mine is still saying Tuesday for delivery.
Half the reason for pre-ordering is to ensure you get one on release date (the other half is to 'lock in' that lowest price with Amazon), so I'm quite annoyed by this.

Although I'm not 8 years old and can wait a few more days without too many tears, I am off work today for one reason or another. So, it would've been nice if the box had arrived, as I would have plenty of time to dive into the contents.

I'll have to make do with streaming the audio tracks, but I'm really more interested in the video material and there's no legitimate way to watch these, I don't think.
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What is Shellshock AOR?


Wondered if this is close to the "standard" version that appeared on the Pretty In Pink soundtrack, but never appeared on a Factory release? They might have meant OST (original soundtrack) instead of AOR (album-oriented rock)...or it could be a version mixed for the American market, i.e. turn up the guitars and downplay the synths?


It's similar to the Pretty In Pink version, but a different edit, same running time weirdly. It also has the extra lines.



Thanks Mr Z. Can you tell us why "AOR", or will that become clear upon release?



I don't think it'll ever become clearer, that was how it was labelled on the tape box. It is very similar to the PIP one.


JJ, would you have any more precise informations about Shellshock AOR ? I mean a recording date on the tape box ? in which studio was it recorded ?
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What is Shellshock AOR?


Wondered if this is close to the "standard" version that appeared on the Pretty In Pink soundtrack, but never appeared on a Factory release? They might have meant OST (original soundtrack) instead of AOR (album-oriented rock)...or it could be a version mixed for the American market, i.e. turn up the guitars and downplay the synths?


It's similar to the Pretty In Pink version, but a different edit, same running time weirdly. It also has the extra lines.



Thanks Mr Z. Can you tell us why "AOR", or will that become clear upon release?



I don't think it'll ever become clearer, that was how it was labelled on the tape box. It is very similar to the PIP one.


JJ, would you have any more precise informations about Shellshock AOR ? I mean a recording date on the tape box ? in which studio was it recorded ?


It's difficult to be precise, it was a US production master reel, so the where and when of the actual edit/production is not recorded.
It was alongside the two US instrumental versions of Thieves (long and short). The reel was dated 12 Feb 1986.

Shell Shock was originally recorded in Stockport at Yellow Two.

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Many thanks JJ for all yours interventions (and your work on the boxsets) which are very much appreciated here Hi
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It's difficult to be precise


Ah, there you are! I wondered if our Uber Fan would be keeping an eye on reactions. Thanks for staying involved.

A quickie I think:

There must have been a non-faded, cold ending version of All Day Long with vocals at some point - and then they decided to fade it.
Did you come across the vocal version with the cold ending, and then have to make a choice between that and the instrumental for this box?

...Or was the vocal version on one of those knackered tapes?


Oh, and did Stephen or NO have any comments/memories on the choice to fade it out?
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#248 Posted : 22 November 2024 06:51:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post
It's difficult to be precise, it was a US production master reel, so the where and when of the actual edit/production is not recorded.
It was alongside the two US instrumental versions of Thieves (long and short). The reel was dated 12 Feb 1986.


When we did Recycle we identified that the instrumental version of Thieves used in the film (and on the U.S. version of the 12") is a completely different mix than appeared on Murder in 1984 - we titled it Instrumental '86. It's 20 seconds shorter than the '84 version, and you can tell from the very first beats. The '84 version has reverb on the kick, and the '86 version starts dry. There are a lot of other differences, too.

There's also a short edit of the '86 mix for the Shellshock 7", so that would be the two mixes you found.

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#249 Posted : 22 November 2024 07:34:07(UTC)
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My copy not arriving til Wednesday 27th so it's listening to the extras on streaming for me today. Shellshock AOR sounds crisp and lively though the extra verse pops up in an unexpected place which was slightly disorienting!. Absolute loving the As It Is When It Was demo.Quite a very different sound and feel but fantastic. Some small differences in lyrics in one spot and i like Barney's backing vocals. Superb.

All Day Long instrumental is immense and beautiful. Barney's guitar in the early half of is kind of Velvets ish in it's simplicity. Had never picked up on that in the standard album version. Great synth flourishes towards cold stop end.

State demo i'd heard a week or two back, it's closer in feel to Shame i think.

Lovely to hear Salvation theme again, had been a while. Sounds fab.

Other stuff like Evil Dust, Paradise (Racic remix)and Touched (Salvation version)i'm long familiar with but good to hear.

That demo of As It Is When It Was will be the one i'll have on repeat a fair bit this weekend though.

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#250 Posted : 22 November 2024 07:49:47(UTC)
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I’m out at the moment, so will gather thoughts at a later date.
However, just listened to virtually all of the bonus tracks on my AirPods while out on a walk.

I agree with Fotz that the AIIWIW demo is delightful.
I’m pretty sure this is the same demo that was shared with fans going back to at least the late ‘80s

JJ - any idea if this is the same demo? Are you aware of the demo that was traded back in the day?

Not sure how that demo got leaked 35+ years ago. Curiously, it’s kind of surprising that the SOTN demo didn’t get leaked at the same time, considering it’s presumably from the same session.

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