logo
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

14 Pages«<678910>»
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
GotBlueEyes  
#176 Posted : 14 October 2024 10:06:21(UTC)
GotBlueEyes

Rank: Member of the Brotherhood

Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC)
Posts: 352

Thanks: 163 times
Was thanked: 671 time(s) in 351 post(s)
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1258195788538060

Stephen doing the unboxing - good to see the metallic sleeve looks as nice and shiny as it should!

thanks 5 users thanked GotBlueEyes for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 14/10/2024(UTC), Mike C. on 14/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 14/10/2024(UTC), Jul on 15/10/2024(UTC), negative1 on 15/10/2024(UTC)
Debaser  
#177 Posted : 14 October 2024 10:23:20(UTC)
Debaser

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC)
Posts: 2,121
Location: here n there

Thanks: 528 times
Was thanked: 3211 time(s) in 2143 post(s)
Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1258195788538060

Stephen doing the unboxing - good to see the metallic sleeve looks as nice and shiny as it should!




Ah you've beaten me to it. You must have posted within about 4 minutes of the NO FB post.

Let's see if we can embed the Twitter/X post.


What's the T Shirt?

EDIT: Oh it's Harmonia – Musik Von Harmonia

UserPostedImage

Edited by user 14 October 2024 10:30:02(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

thanks 5 users thanked Debaser for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 14/10/2024(UTC), Mike C. on 14/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 14/10/2024(UTC), GotBlueEyes on 15/10/2024(UTC), Jul on 15/10/2024(UTC)
perspexorange  
#178 Posted : 14 October 2024 12:34:08(UTC)
perspexorange

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC)
Posts: 2,409
Location: Salop

Thanks: 510 times
Was thanked: 3939 time(s) in 2409 post(s)
Looking good!


I've said it before and I'll say it again, Steve is just an absolute delight.
Seems like the nicest guy you could ever want to meet.
thanks 3 users thanked perspexorange for this useful post.
ROCKET MICK on 14/10/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 14/10/2024(UTC), Jul on 15/10/2024(UTC)
Debaser  
#179 Posted : 22 October 2024 04:47:40(UTC)
Debaser

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC)
Posts: 2,121
Location: here n there

Thanks: 528 times
Was thanked: 3211 time(s) in 2143 post(s)
thanks 6 users thanked Debaser for this useful post.
GotBlueEyes on 22/10/2024(UTC), Andy on 22/10/2024(UTC), negative1 on 22/10/2024(UTC), Jul on 23/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 24/10/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 24/10/2024(UTC)
GotBlueEyes  
#180 Posted : 22 October 2024 05:22:42(UTC)
GotBlueEyes

Rank: Member of the Brotherhood

Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC)
Posts: 352

Thanks: 163 times
Was thanked: 671 time(s) in 351 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post


Weird that they are making a big deal of the Midi thing. In PH's autobiography, he says that Low-life was where they first adopted midi

Quote:
The album (Low-Life) was recorded normally using a 24-track Studer tape machine and our own great collection of equipment, using pretty much the same stuff we used on Power, Corruption & Lies. The only big differences here were the adoption of MIDI technology and the use of SMPTE Timecode.


Likewise SM first mentions it after the technical problems at the 1984 BBC Live session just before Low-Life

Quote:
Needless to say from that fateful day forward the Prophet sequencer’s days were numbered. There was this hot new thing called MIDI coming out that was today’s future. The answer to my prayers. Some of the more tedious ones anyway.



You won't be surprised to learn that Bernard doesn't mention midi at all in his book Big Grin





thanks 4 users thanked GotBlueEyes for this useful post.
Andy on 22/10/2024(UTC), Jul on 23/10/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 24/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
Andy  
#181 Posted : 22 October 2024 09:23:30(UTC)
Andy

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC)
Posts: 2,227
Man
Location: Seaside, California

Thanks: 1675 times
Was thanked: 3365 time(s) in 2246 post(s)
It could be that they adopted MIDI for their instruments at the earlier time, but their use of computers as the MIDI controller came in later.
thanks 2 users thanked Andy for this useful post.
ROCKET MICK on 24/10/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 24/10/2024(UTC)
tapebias  
#182 Posted : 23 October 2024 10:55:49(UTC)
tapebias

Rank: Member of the Republic

Groups: Registered
Joined: 28/11/2012(UTC)
Posts: 176
Location: UK

Thanks: 36 times
Was thanked: 320 time(s) in 176 post(s)
Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post


Weird that they are making a big deal of the Midi thing. In PH's autobiography, he says that Low-life was where they first adopted midi

Quote:
The album (Low-Life) was recorded normally using a 24-track Studer tape machine and our own great collection of equipment, using pretty much the same stuff we used on Power, Corruption & Lies. The only big differences here were the adoption of MIDI technology and the use of SMPTE Timecode.


Likewise SM first mentions it after the technical problems at the 1984 BBC Live session just before Low-Life

Quote:
Needless to say from that fateful day forward the Prophet sequencer’s days were numbered. There was this hot new thing called MIDI coming out that was today’s future. The answer to my prayers. Some of the more tedious ones anyway.



You won't be surprised to learn that Bernard doesn't mention midi at all in his book Big Grin


After hearing Hooky recycling various JD/NO basslines for various Brotherhood songs, and the calamity that was to become Broken Promise, Bernard rushed to A1 Music in Manchester and bought the Yamaha QX1 sequencer and the rest is history.
LoL

thanks 4 users thanked tapebias for this useful post.
Like No Other on 23/10/2024(UTC), GotBlueEyes on 24/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 24/10/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 24/10/2024(UTC)
Mr Discography  
#183 Posted : 24 October 2024 09:51:50(UTC)
Mr Discography

Rank: Member of the Brotherhood

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC)
Posts: 398
Man

Thanks: 11 times
Was thanked: 775 time(s) in 399 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Question for Johnny James. I've always wondered what the story was behind the Stephen Hague remix(es) and when they were made. Were they recorded at the time of 'Brotherhood', or commissioned specifically for 'Married To The Mob'? As there's a 12" remix, were they ever planning to release (or re-released) this version as a single? Was it solely Stephen Hague's work or were the band involved (was never 100% sure if it features a different vocal from Barney to the album version)?

What's the history of these versions? Cheers.

Any feedback on the above question Johnny James?

Thanks
thanks 3 users thanked Mr Discography for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 24/10/2024(UTC), Mike C. on 25/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
Johnny James  
#184 Posted : 24 October 2024 12:19:55(UTC)
Johnny James

Rank: Member of the Brotherhood

Groups: Registered
Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC)
Posts: 452
Location: UK

Was thanked: 1056 time(s) in 452 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Question for Johnny James. I've always wondered what the story was behind the Stephen Hague remix(es) and when they were made. Were they recorded at the time of 'Brotherhood', or commissioned specifically for 'Married To The Mob'? As there's a 12" remix, were they ever planning to release (or re-released) this version as a single? Was it solely Stephen Hague's work or were the band involved (was never 100% sure if it features a different vocal from Barney to the album version)?

What's the history of these versions? Cheers.

Any feedback on the above question Johnny James?

Thanks


I don't really know the details, except that the tape was dated 1988, so clearly separate to Brotherhood. It was probably done specifically for Married To The Mob.
thanks 10 users thanked Johnny James for this useful post.
Mr Discography on 24/10/2024(UTC), Anne Ballard on 24/10/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 24/10/2024(UTC), perspexorange on 25/10/2024(UTC), Jul on 25/10/2024(UTC), Mike C. on 25/10/2024(UTC), negative1 on 25/10/2024(UTC), Andy on 25/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC), In A Noisy Place on 22/11/2024(UTC)
Mr Discography  
#185 Posted : 24 October 2024 13:57:38(UTC)
Mr Discography

Rank: Member of the Brotherhood

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC)
Posts: 398
Man

Thanks: 11 times
Was thanked: 775 time(s) in 399 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post

I don't really know the details, except that the tape was dated 1988, so clearly separate to Brotherhood. It was probably done specifically for Married To The Mob.

Interesting, so after they first worked with Hague on 'True Faith/1963'.
thanks 2 users thanked Mr Discography for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 24/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
Mr Discography  
#186 Posted : 25 October 2024 09:49:50(UTC)
Mr Discography

Rank: Member of the Brotherhood

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC)
Posts: 398
Man

Thanks: 11 times
Was thanked: 775 time(s) in 399 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post

I don't really know the details, except that the tape was dated 1988, so clearly separate to Brotherhood. It was probably done specifically for Married To The Mob.

Interesting, so after they first worked with Hague on 'True Faith/1963'.

Wonder if there was a plan to re-release 'Bizarre Love Triangle ' using the Stephen Hague remixes as a follow-up single to support 'Substance' in 1988, maybe until 'Blue Monday 1988' came along? Definitely a question for Steve or Barney at some point!

Edited by user 25 October 2024 09:50:50(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

thanks 2 users thanked Mr Discography for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 25/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
50poundnote  
#187 Posted : 25 October 2024 10:54:17(UTC)
50poundnote

Rank: Member of the Movement

Groups: Registered
Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC)
Posts: 554

Thanks: 40 times
Was thanked: 1084 time(s) in 555 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Wonder if there was a plan to re-release 'Bizarre Love Triangle ' using the Stephen Hague remixes as a follow-up single to support 'Substance' in 1988, maybe until 'Blue Monday 1988' came along? Definitely a question for Steve or Barney at some point!


Married To The Mob came out a full year after Substance, and BLT was the single just prior to True Faith...on the other hand, Factory was hurting for money, so who knows.

I find it interesting that Stephen Hague was remixing U.K artists for American soundtracks 1987-1988, and producing U.K synth artists almost exclusively at that time.
thanks 2 users thanked 50poundnote for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 25/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
Mr Discography  
#188 Posted : 25 October 2024 11:37:27(UTC)
Mr Discography

Rank: Member of the Brotherhood

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC)
Posts: 398
Man

Thanks: 11 times
Was thanked: 775 time(s) in 399 post(s)
Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Wonder if there was a plan to re-release 'Bizarre Love Triangle ' using the Stephen Hague remixes as a follow-up single to support 'Substance' in 1988, maybe until 'Blue Monday 1988' came along? Definitely a question for Steve or Barney at some point!


Married To The Mob came out a full year after Substance, and BLT was the single just prior to True Faith...on the other hand, Factory was hurting for money, so who knows.

Wouldn't have been the first time a song that wasn't a hit the first time got re-released for another attempt - particularly after the cult status the Shep 12" mix got in certain countries and clubs, and after the success of 'Substance'. Would love to know the real reason Stephen Hague got paid to make a new single version and 12" mix. Unlikely it was just for a soundtrack album when they could've reused the album or previous single version.
thanks 2 users thanked Mr Discography for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 25/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
Debaser  
#189 Posted : 25 October 2024 14:34:50(UTC)
Debaser

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC)
Posts: 2,121
Location: here n there

Thanks: 528 times
Was thanked: 3211 time(s) in 2143 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Would love to know the real reason Stephen Hague got paid to make a new single version and 12" mix. Unlikely it was just for a soundtrack album when they could've reused the album or previous single version.

Yep, This.

Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

Wonder if there was a plan to re-release 'Bizarre Love Triangle ' using the Stephen Hague remixes .... Definitely a question for Steve or Barney at some point!


The question needs to be asked (of Mr Morris, cos Bernard won't remember or care) during any upcoming promotion for the box set.

thanks 2 users thanked Debaser for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 25/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
Andy  
#190 Posted : 25 October 2024 22:57:16(UTC)
Andy

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC)
Posts: 2,227
Man
Location: Seaside, California

Thanks: 1675 times
Was thanked: 3365 time(s) in 2246 post(s)
I'm satisfied with the answer from Johnny James, actually.

The band had a good relationship with the film's director, Jonathan Demme, and presubably Hague was happy to have a go at a chart friendly version after it's relatively disappointing '86 showing, especially after his success with "True Faith". Shep's remix that was so popular on the dance floors was a bit harsh to be radio friendly, especially in the U.S. I think the spoken word bit in the video (which I personally like) probably threw people off also.
thanks 3 users thanked Andy for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 26/10/2024(UTC), Jul on 26/10/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
Andy  
#191 Posted : 08 November 2024 01:32:19(UTC)
Andy

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC)
Posts: 2,227
Man
Location: Seaside, California

Thanks: 1675 times
Was thanked: 3365 time(s) in 2246 post(s)
thanks 5 users thanked Andy for this useful post.
perspexorange on 08/11/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 08/11/2024(UTC), negative1 on 08/11/2024(UTC), Jul on 08/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
perspexorange  
#192 Posted : 08 November 2024 02:50:54(UTC)
perspexorange

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC)
Posts: 2,409
Location: Salop

Thanks: 510 times
Was thanked: 3939 time(s) in 2409 post(s)
Pretty decent. Nice Hooky bass at end.

Glad that we've finally had another demo that features vocals.

Although I've enjoyed the demos on the last two box sets, they have limited 'replay value' for me. I need vocals to be present to justify repeated listenings. Instrumental demos are more 'curios' to me..

I think we were just spoilt with those brilliant demos on the first LP.
thanks 6 users thanked perspexorange for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 08/11/2024(UTC), Jul on 08/11/2024(UTC), Like No Other on 08/11/2024(UTC), Andy on 08/11/2024(UTC), Mike C. on 10/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
perspexorange  
#193 Posted : 08 November 2024 03:08:13(UTC)
perspexorange

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC)
Posts: 2,409
Location: Salop

Thanks: 510 times
Was thanked: 3939 time(s) in 2409 post(s)
Weirdly, the channel appears to have now posted the same song with a different background image an hour or so ago.

Although the first version is still playable, it doesn't appear in the list of videos for the channel.

thanks 3 users thanked perspexorange for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 08/11/2024(UTC), Jul on 08/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
GotBlueEyes  
#194 Posted : 08 November 2024 04:53:14(UTC)
GotBlueEyes

Rank: Member of the Brotherhood

Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC)
Posts: 352

Thanks: 163 times
Was thanked: 671 time(s) in 351 post(s)
Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Weirdly, the channel appears to have now posted the same song with a different background image an hour or so ago.

Although the first version is still playable, it doesn't appear in the list of videos for the channel.



Interesting to see in the image of the master reel that there were 4 takes listed (one instrumental).
I wonder if they were actually different full takes (ie live performances) or just the same track with different mixes

Most likely the former (else they would have listed them as mixes, not takes?), in which case I wonder how different they were?

thanks 3 users thanked GotBlueEyes for this useful post.
Mr. Disco on 08/11/2024(UTC), Jul on 08/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
negative1  
#195 Posted : 08 November 2024 07:17:21(UTC)
negative1

Rank: Member with Substance

Groups: Registered
Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC)
Posts: 1,193

Thanks: 949 times
Was thanked: 1805 time(s) in 1195 post(s)
Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Weirdly, the channel appears to have now posted the same song with a different background image an hour or so ago.

Although the first version is still playable, it doesn't appear in the list of videos for the channel.



Interesting to see in the image of the master reel that there were 4 takes listed (one instrumental).
I wonder if they were actually different full takes (ie live performances) or just the same track with different mixes

Most likely the former (else they would have listed them as mixes, not takes?), in which case I wonder how different they were?



really enjoying the demo.. but yeah, if there were other takes,
would want to hear those also.

later
| || |
ne gative1

thanks 3 users thanked negative1 for this useful post.
Jul on 08/11/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 08/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC)
Like No Other  
#196 Posted : 13 November 2024 13:18:00(UTC)
Like No Other

Rank: Member of the Village

Groups: Registered
Joined: 27/04/2012(UTC)
Posts: 55
Location: Beverley

Thanks: 846 times
Was thanked: 115 time(s) in 55 post(s)
Just over a week to release can’t wait - can I echo “perspexorange” thanks, to the people have been involved in these Boxsets, very much appreciated without these it would have been fairly quiet in the forum these last few years.

The overall beauty of the boxsets are the main reason for buying but the CD extras is also the main bonus I look forward to. There looks to be some great stuff on Brotherhood and most tracks look like they will be worth listening too over and over (unlike some of them demos as others have said). However as usual it leaves you wanting more:

Let’s Go - I would have thought across Brotherhood & Lowlife we’d have a definitive collection for this track

BLT - vocal demo with extra lines / alternative lyrics (obviously didn’t do a demo for this one - could the live version have been used?)

Would have loved to have some demo’s of WOL and Weirdo!

It would be a shame if the fans never get to hear some of the other rehearsal ./ demos tapes but appreciate the expense / time these would consume.


Couple of questions:


Would anyone be able to share the ‘XFM's Brotherhood 25th anniversary episode’ with me please, would love to have another listen before the release.

Record and CD sleeve look’s like a simple metalised board - was the original version the same or was it more of an actual metal?

Edited by user 13 November 2024 23:25:02(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

thanks 4 users thanked Like No Other for this useful post.
Mike C. on 13/11/2024(UTC), Jul on 14/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 20/11/2024(UTC)
perspexorange  
#197 Posted : 13 November 2024 16:39:19(UTC)
perspexorange

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC)
Posts: 2,409
Location: Salop

Thanks: 510 times
Was thanked: 3939 time(s) in 2409 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Like No Other Go to Quoted Post


Would anyone be able to share the ‘XFM's Brotherhood 25th anniversary episode’ with me please, would love to have another listen before the release.


Pretty sure I have this. Give me until tomorrow night and I’ll dig it out (unless someone gets to it before me).

Really glad there are others enjoying these releases.
Really looking forward to this set. Also, it’s ‘Technique’ on the horizon, which is my favourite LP by any band. Cannot wait.

Edited by user 13 November 2024 16:39:53(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

thanks 4 users thanked perspexorange for this useful post.
Like No Other on 13/11/2024(UTC), Jul on 14/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 20/11/2024(UTC)
Fotz  
#198 Posted : 14 November 2024 02:21:30(UTC)
Fotz

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC)
Posts: 2,667
Location: Down on the farm

Thanks: 682 times
Was thanked: 3768 time(s) in 2667 post(s)
Only just got round yesterday to preorder
the box and BLT 12" ( my orginal 1986 copy long gone). Through Amazon but i won't receive til 26th Nov apparently. Maybe because i've left it late?
thanks 5 users thanked Fotz for this useful post.
Like No Other on 14/11/2024(UTC), Jul on 14/11/2024(UTC), negative1 on 14/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 20/11/2024(UTC)
perspexorange  
#199 Posted : 14 November 2024 08:04:38(UTC)
perspexorange

Rank: Dead Soul

Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC)
Posts: 2,409
Location: Salop

Thanks: 510 times
Was thanked: 3939 time(s) in 2409 post(s)
Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Like No Other Go to Quoted Post


Would anyone be able to share the ‘XFM's Brotherhood 25th anniversary episode’ with me please, would love to have another listen before the release.


Pretty sure I have this. Give me until tomorrow night and I’ll dig it out (unless someone gets to it before me).



Here you go:

https://we.tl/t-ntvUApyPTd


Link probably good for seven days.
thanks 4 users thanked perspexorange for this useful post.
Like No Other on 14/11/2024(UTC), Mike C. on 15/11/2024(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 20/11/2024(UTC)
negative1  
#200 Posted : 14 November 2024 09:18:35(UTC)
negative1

Rank: Member with Substance

Groups: Registered
Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC)
Posts: 1,193

Thanks: 949 times
Was thanked: 1805 time(s) in 1195 post(s)
Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
Only just got round yesterday to preorder
the box and BLT 12" ( my orginal 1986 copy long gone). Through Amazon but i won't receive til 26th Nov apparently. Maybe because i've left it late?


yes, i've just ordered it also.

although, there were 2 stores, walmart and somewhere else selling it for $110 i think.

however, i went with the store, because i got all three 12 inch singles, and saved on shipping.
no t shirt this time around or posters, oh well.

lets see if it gets here on time or not.

later
|| | | |
ne gative 1

thanks 2 users thanked negative1 for this useful post.
ROCKET MICK on 17/11/2024(UTC), Mr. Disco on 20/11/2024(UTC)
Users browsing this topic
Guest (5)
14 Pages«<678910>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Powered by YAF 2.1.1 | YAF © 2003-2024, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.874 seconds.