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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote  Originally Posted by: Johnny James Currently still on schedule for this year. Working hard to hit the deadlines. Great news, thank you! Just out of curiosity, has there been any discussion about how far the sets will go? Factory-only? Republic? All the way up to Music Complete? I recall reading on here somewhere that the plan was to do up to a combined 'Waiting For The Sirens' Call' & ''Lost Sirens' set (guess because we already have a similar boxed set for 'Music Complete'). I wonder if the sets will get that far in the end though? I hope they do.
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Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: 50poundnote It's been nearly 15 months since the Low-life box, and 6 months since the deluxe edition of Substance. Any word on the Brotherhood box? Currently still on schedule for this year. Working hard to hit the deadlines. Are you able to tell us how many DVDs will be in the Brotherhood set?
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Johnny James, if you’re out there, any word on when this might be announced? Has there been any discussion on how far they’ll go, and if we could maybe speed them up? It’s not long until my record buying days are behind me.
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A). keeping this near the top for JJ to see easily.
B). wishing they do them all.
Finally, getting around to the DVDs for PC&L. When Barney introduced Stephen as Ian Curtis I was stunned, overjoyed and sad all at the same time. Of course there’s been many reports that the band feels like they didn’t really deal with his death, but obviously he continued to be on their minds. What a great gig to have, and that ending is unbeatable.
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I can't really say much, we're very close to delivering everything. Then it's off to production.
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From this month's Classic Pop magazine. Stephen reveals most of the Brotherhood box contents:  Edit: perhaps not "most" of it... Edited by user 09 July 2024 17:07:27(UTC)
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Looks like a November release then so it can be included in people’s Christmas present lists. Hope we don’t have to wait as long for the Technique box. I was 16 when Fine Time came out and saw the band live for the first time a few months later. A great time of life when I started to fully embrace the band! Time seems to be speeding up the older I get and I’d like to enjoy these box sets whilst I still have my health! 
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Disco From this month's Classic Pop magazine. Stephen reveals most of the Brotherhood box contents: Edit: perhaps not "most" of it... Interesting about wanting to the the NO/PSB Unity tour in the UK. PSB have a "big announcement" on Radio 2 this morning to coincide with Neil's 70th birthday - wonder if that's what's being announced?
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So... in other news: no plans for new music as New Order. Instead, a new book, a book of photos from Gillian, a sitcom script, The Other Two songs from 2010 are still good to go and Superhighways will also be reissued.   I'm game. Keep' em coming! 
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Disco no plans for new music as New Order. Boo! Hiss! A real shame. Still, good news about the photo book (which sounds pretty cool) and the reissue.
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Disco So... in other news: no plans for new music as New Order. In your "Pet Sounds" screen shot, Stephen says "I feel embarrassed to say it but no there isn't any new music". But is that the same thing as no plans for new music as New Order? Have I missed a statement saying there are "no plans"?
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I would be very happy to stand corrected on this.
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If they’re not going to work on new music, at least they’re involved in these reissues. It would be a shame if they were not. So despite no new music at least we are getting something new from them.
I’d rather this than them actually have new music that for whatever reason they refuse to release. Here’s looking at you, Robert Smith!! |
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Originally Posted by: Mr. Disco So... in other news: no plans for new music as New Order. In your "Pet Sounds" screen shot, Stephen says "I feel embarrassed to say it but no there isn't any new music". But is that the same thing as no plans for new music as New Order? Have I missed a statement saying there are "no plans"? Is the missing context here that they are talking about the Pet Shop Boys having a new album out and doing gigs, but Stephen is saying he's embarrassed to admit that they are doing a show but have no new music out? I think if there were no plans whatsoever, he'd have phrased it differently. If anything I'd read it as an admission that they just haven't finished whatever new music they are working on
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Just announced 
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looks great... and all the new muisc.. the bundle is what i'm getting... https://usstore.neworder...d-2dvd/825646253104.htmlCode:
CD1
Brotherhood (2024 Remaster)
Paradise
Weirdo
As It Is When It Was
Broken Promise
Way of Life
Bizarre Love Triangle
All Day Long
Angel Dust
Every Little Counts
State of the Nation
CD2
Extras
Shellshock (AOR Version) *
State Of The Nation (Japan Demo) *
Paradise (Robert Racic Remix)
As It Is When It Was (Japan Demo) *
Broken Promise (Instrumental) *
Bizarre Love Triangle (Stephen Hague 12” Remix) *
All Day Long (Instrumental) *
Evil Dust
Every Little Counts (Full Length) *
Salvation Theme
Skullcrusher (Full Length) *
Touched By The Hand Of God (Salvation Version)
Let's Go (Salvation Version)
Sputnik
Blue Monday 1988 (Michael Johnson 12” Remix) *
(* previously unreleased)
DVD1
Live at the Academy Brixton, 1987
Bizarre Love Triangle
The Perfect Kiss
Ceremony
Dreams Never End
Love Vigilantes
Confusion
Age Of Consent
Temptation
TV Appearances:
Ceremony (BBC Northern Ireland – Channel One 1986)
Love Will Tear Us Apart (BBC Northern Ireland – Channel One 1986)
State Of The Nation (The Tube 1986)
Broken Promise (The Tube 1986)
True Faith (Top of the Pops 1987)
Les Enfants du Rock, Rockline 1987
Paradise (Les Enfants du Rock, Rockline 1987)
Bizarre Love Triangle (Les Enfants du Rock, Rockline 1987)
True Faith (The Roxy, 1987)
Bizarre Love Triangle (11pm, 1987)
Extra Material
Stephen’s Fly On The Wall Documentary 1985.
Recording 'As It Is' and ‘Shame of the Nation’ at Denon Studios, Tokyo (May 1985).
DVD2
Live at the G-Mex, Manchester, 19/07/86.
Elegia
Shellshock
Paradise
Bizarre Love Triangle
Way Of Life
State Of The Nation
Face Up
The Perfect Kiss
Ceremony
Temptation
Other Live Performances:
True Faith (Glastonbury, 1987)
Sister Ray (Glastonbury, 1987)
Dreams Never End (San Giovanni, 1986)
All Day Long (Pier 84, New York, 1987)
Angel Dust (Pier 84, New York, 1987)
Shellshock (Pier 84, New York, 1987)
Weirdo (Pier 84, New York, 1987)
True Faith (Rapido, Paris 1987)
Touched By the Hand of God (G-Mex, Manchester, 1988)
Every Little Counts (G-Mex, Manchester, 1988)
VINYL LP
Brotherhood (2024 Remaster)
A1. Paradise
A2. Weirdo
A3. As It Is When It Was
A4. Broken Promise
A5. Way of Life
B1. Bizarre Love Triangle
B2. All Day Long
B3. Angel Dust
B4. Every Little Counts
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Salvation in full  What is Shellshock AOR? |
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That's quite a tasty tracklisting. Can't wait. Observations...
- No idea what 'Shellshock (AOR Version)' means, but it's usually an abbreviation for Adult Oriented Rock, an 80s genre usually meaning soft-rock. I hope that's not what it means in this case..!
- Interesting to have the Robert Racic Remix of 'Paradise' on there for completion, as well as the 'Salvation' tracks - although it's missing the full-length 8-minute version of 'Touched By The Hand Of Dub' that was on the original soundtrack CD titled 'Touched By The Hand Of God (Remix)'
- 'Bizarre Love Triangle (Stephen Hague 12" Remix)' - now this one really excites me. I love some of his extended 12" mixes, such as 'Round & Round'. Assume this was done at the time of the 'Married To The Mob' soundtrack version in 1986/87 (essentially the '94 version on 'The Best Of', but with those lovely "do do, do do do do" ad libs after the first chorus). Amazing to learn they've been sitting on a Stephen Hague extended mix of this for so long..! Has to be the track I'm most looking forward to hearing. I wonder why they asked Stephen Hague to do two new versions - was there a plan to re-release it as a single around the time of 'Substance' maybe?
- 'Every Little Counts (Full Length)' - assume this will be the album version, but continuing after the vinyl scratch sound effect. Wonder how long it'll go on for?
- Interested to hear the full length 'Skullcrusher' too
- Also wonder what 'Blue Monday 1988 (Michael Johnson 12" Remix)' will sound like - perhaps just a variant of the 12" mix we're already familiar with?
- Hope the Brixton Academy set is the one without those interviews cutting in every so often (think there was one without, and one with on the 2 different VHS releases? Can't remember for sure)
- Can't wait to see Stephen's documentary too!
- 'True Faith (Glastonbury 1987)' - this was where the live footage in the 'True Faith' video came from. Wonder why there's not footage from the whole set included?
- 'True Faith (Rapido, Paris)' - if this is the version there was a brief clip of on the 'Rapido' TV show, I remember it sounding very good - hope it's the full song.
- Interesting that 'State Of The Nation' is on the CD, as with the original release - I wondered if the CD would end on 'Every Little Counts' this time to mirror the LP tracklisting, especially as the single is getting a seperate 12" and presumably digital release
- The official store states "Touched by the Hand of God was the third single from 1986’s Brotherhood" - it wasn't though, was it?! Particularly as it had 'True Faith' and 'Substance' in between 'Bizarre Love Triangle' and 'Touched By The Hand Of God', and the artwork had a similar look to 'True Faith'. I suppose it's a third 12" to accompany this box though, and the Salvation version (essentially the demo) probably dates from around this time. Plus is clears the slate ready for the 'Technique' box and accompanying single re-releases in another year or so.
I'm very excited about this, such a great tracklisting. As before I'll wait to order it from Amazon (just the boxed set - I've not been rebuying all the 12 inches as I already have the originals), as the shipping is usually quicker, and there may be a price drop prior to the release. Great stuff! P.S. Whos' going to be bold enough now to start the 'Mapping The Definitive Editions - Technique' thread.    Edited by user 04 September 2024 06:39:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Interested to hear the full length 'Skullcrusher' too So the regular Skullcrusher will remain exclusive to the Salvation! soundtrack? 
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Originally Posted by: Jcp7 Salvation in full What is Shellshock AOR? Wondered if this is close to the "standard" version that appeared on the Pretty In Pink soundtrack, but never appeared on a Factory release? They might have meant OST (original soundtrack) instead of AOR (album-oriented rock)...or it could be a version mixed for the American market, i.e. turn up the guitars and downplay the synths?
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WOW! A lot to unpack here and I'm going out tonight and tomorrow. More comments when I get time. Obviously, this looks amazing. A little bit of a shame that there's not more demos (I guess they can only release what's available), but the remixes sound good. Especially the unreleased ones. Stoked to see GMEX '86! Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Originally Posted by: Jcp7 Salvation in full What is Shellshock AOR? Wondered if this is close to the "standard" version that appeared on the Pretty In Pink soundtrack, but never appeared on a Factory release? They might have meant OST (original soundtrack) instead of AOR (album-oriented rock)...or it could be a version mixed for the American market, i.e. turn up the guitars and downplay the synths? This was my thinking too. The 'Pretty In Pink' version (or similar), which happens to be my favourite version of the song. Hope so, but I'll certainly take a 'new' version too.
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CD2 - 2 - State Of The Nation (Japan Demo) *
CD2 - 4 - As It Is When It Was (Japan Demo) *
DVD1 - Recording 'As It Is' and ‘Shame of the Nation’ at Denon Studios, Tokyo (May 1985).
Presumably these are related. I remember reading in Dennis' book (I think) that these two tracks were recorded together. Wonder if the AIIWIW demo is the same as that murky bootleg that's been doing the rounds for decades. Will be nice to hear in decent quality. If it is, strange that State Of The Nation (or Shame Of The Nation as it was called back then) wasn't leaked, considering they're from the same session.
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