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#251 Posted : 12 November 2022 03:28:17(UTC)
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As regards 'Skullcrusher', I quite like the piece (more so than 'Sputnik', which is nice but feels a bit pointless, in my humble opinion).
Considering it made its first live appearance in 1984 (three years before 'Salvation'), it's possible that a studio version of this track might've been attempted around Low Life.
So, I guess, there's a slight possibility that something Skullcrushery could turn up on this next set.

Hey, who knows? Maybe there's a studio version of 'Love Juice' out there? Wink


I know Johnny James probably wants to (understandably) stay tight-lipped regarding the contents of the Low Life set until officially announced. However, if he could shed light on when studio versions of the Salvation tracks were attempted, that'd be interesting. Also, if he has any info about whether 'Sputnik'/'Salvation' were from a longer bit of music etc?


So, it looks like I was correct in my assumption that Skullcrusher might've been attempted at the time of Low Life, with a demo appearing as track 14 on CD2.

I wonder if it's instrumental or one with lyrics.

Looking at the listing for CD2, and based on the format of Power, Corruption & Lies 'writing session' tracks, it seems possible that 'Sooner Than You Think – Album Session Unedited Version' (*) might be the only track with vocals on that disc.


* Incidentally, this is what the New Order Store calls it. Qobuz is listing it as 'Sooner Than You Think (Full Length Version)'. Semantics, I know.

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#252 Posted : 12 November 2022 18:07:01(UTC)
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Well, what a fantastic time to be a New Order fan.

This album, probably more than any of the others, is the moment where the band became what most of us came to know and truly love about NO.
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#253 Posted : 12 November 2022 18:30:19(UTC)
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Just listening to the Cargo demos on my way home.
My word. They were magnificent. Best band ever.
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#254 Posted : 13 November 2022 09:14:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post


This album, probably more than any of the others, is the moment where the band became what most of us came to know and truly love about NO.


Yes, it was probably the album i excitedly anticipated more than any other music in my life as it would be the first new album by them after i had got into the band as a teenager.And obviously i was at a young and impressionable age.

I've had a hunt around for the edition of Grandstand World Cup Football Focus from 31.05.86 to see if i could locate this football montage with the alternative version of LV my work colleague had told me about way back then and which i mentioned in an earlier post in this thread,But nothing foundOh well .I'm slightly surprised i've never ever seen mention of this clip in all the years.I only knew about it because my colleague had seen it at the time.I found this website that mentions that on the opening day of World Cup 86 there was Football Focus section of Grandstand from 12.35pm to 1pm.I'd wager my house that that was where the LV alternative , or "TV Pitch" version was used during a montage. BBC tended to use NO music more than ITV and i lean towards if NO were making tracks for use for TV in Sport it'd have been to BBC (mind you , Best & Marsh was ITV So that kind of scotches that theory!) .From this blog it states


"Sat 31/May/1986 "Saint & Greavsie's World Cup"
*Ian St John and Jimmy Greaves previewed the World Cup 7 hours before kick-off at 12:05-12:30pm, ITV also showed a schoolboys international at Wembley between England and Italy at 2:45-5:00pm with Brian Moore & Ian St John commentating. BBC1 previewed the tournament during "Grandstand" with a World Cup 'Football Focus' at 12:35-1:00pm."


You have your sources, perspex, any chance you could ask around if anyone has this? Someone must have it.

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#255 Posted : 13 November 2022 10:58:28(UTC)
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I’ll do some asking around.

Credit to you Fotz for doing a bit of research on dates etc. That will help narrow things down a bit.
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#256 Posted : 14 November 2022 03:52:57(UTC)
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I ordered the crystal TPK 12" last week and left it at that: I don't know what the justification is for them charging £60 more than PC&L for the standard boxset but I'm in no rush to pay that much for it.
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#257 Posted : 14 November 2022 05:15:25(UTC)
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I think that the box sets were initially on the store as follows:

Movement (April 2019) £120.00
Power, Corruption & Lies (October 2020) £112.99
Low Life (January 2023) £149.99

So, the increase to £149.99, although fairly hefty, isn't as bad as £60.
An increase of £30 in almost four years on Movement, so about £7.50 per year inflation. Not that bad, when you think about it that way. Especially considering the current economic crisis.

I guess they can afford to sell the previous two sets at a discounted price a) because they may well have covered their costs, profit margins etc. by now and b) they want to sell off excess stock.


All that being said, I totally get the fact that this is a pricey article, and there's a certain amount of sense in waiting for the inevitable price drop.

I will be getting on day of release though. I'm not exactly patient and want to get my hands on this stuff straight away. Besides, I'm also always worried that these things might sell out before I get my hands on them (just because they have stock of the older sets still, doesn't necessarily mean that they will have the same number of sets of Low Life in their warehouse in a few months time).

I remember deciding to wait for a significant price drop on one of the Bowie 'era' box sets ('Loving The Alien'). That never really happened, and the set is now discontinued (much to my annoyance). Previous sets hung around for ages and prices dropped considerably.

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#258 Posted : 14 November 2022 09:53:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
I think that the box sets were initially on the store as follows:

Movement (April 2019) £120.00
Power, Corruption & Lies (October 2020) £112.99
Low Life (January 2023) £149.99



I ordered the first two on Amazon UK pre-order as soon as they were available. They do the thing where they don't charge you until despatch AND they charge you the cheapest price it dropped to in the interim

Just checked and my Movement box cost £89.22 and PCL cost £90.93

So both ended up being £20-£30 cheaper than the initial retail price

Annoying, as I'd rather not use Amazon from an ethical point of view - but they make it hard with stuff like this!

If you order from the NO Store you pay up front and you have to watch in horror if the price drops elsewhere

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#259 Posted : 14 November 2022 12:56:00(UTC)
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I'm afraid I had a bad experience with the New Order Store (run by Warner Bros, actually) a couple of years ago on a "Blue Monday Sale" order. The product didn't appear and it took a couple of months for them to send a replacement order. Since then, the site never seems able to retrieve my account info. I haven't changed my email or password, but always get the "Invalid Login" error. I've clicked the "Forgot Password" button to change it in the UK and US stores but never receive the appropriate email to do so.

But again, the Guest option works as I've since received orders of a Taras shirt and two New Order Crew shirts (one from each region's store - they are identical, by the way) with no issues. But unless there's a NewOrderStore exclusive (like The Perfect Kiss 12"), I'll end up using Amazon.
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#260 Posted : 14 November 2022 13:09:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
I'm afraid I had a bad experience with the New Order Store (run by Warner Bros, actually) a couple of years ago on a "Blue Monday Sale" order. The product didn't appear and it took a couple of months for them to send a replacement order. Since then, the site never seems able to retrieve my account info. I haven't changed my email or password, but always get the "Invalid Login" error. I've clicked the "Forgot Password" button to change it in the UK and US stores but never receive the appropriate email to do so.

But again, the Guest option works as I've since received orders of a Taras shirt and two New Order Crew shirts (one from each region's store - they are identical, by the way) with no issues. But unless there's a NewOrderStore exclusive (like The Perfect Kiss 12"), I'll end up using Amazon.


i had similar issues (but not a bad experience).

the only reason i did order from the new order store, was for the exclusives.

although, they will end up on discogs, and ebay too.

this time, i just wanted to get EVERYTHING all in one place at one time.


NOTE : i tried ordering all the same items from the US store, and it came out HIGHER
than it did from the UK one? weird...

later
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#261 Posted : 14 November 2022 15:06:19(UTC)
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....the site never seems able to retrieve my account info. I haven't changed my email or password, but always get the "Invalid Login" error. I've clicked the "Forgot Password" button to change it in the UK .....but never receive the appropriate email to do so.

But again, the Guest option works.... But unless there's a NewOrderStore exclusive (like The Perfect Kiss 12"), I'll end up using Amazon.



Yep, exactly same for me.
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#262 Posted : 15 November 2022 10:04:30(UTC)
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I hope the price hike doesn't prevent ongoing releases. By the time Technique comes around it could be 200+, especially with cost of living crisis and all that as I'm currently removing slats from my lodgers bed to use for firewood.

I got the Movement box set for about 70 recently but as beautiful as it is I've only listened/watched it once. The video stuff is not really interesting to me. I remember recording Edinburgh/Glasgow/Leeds in early 1985 so had the good fortune (or not) of hearing the LowLife tracks in advance. Always felt Face Upcame off better live.

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#264 Posted : 19 November 2022 07:21:35(UTC)
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Johnny, can you explain the decision not to include the finished vocal version of Let's Go?

I have a cleaned up version that sounds fantastic considering it's sourced from an old cassette. Was it left off the album at the last minute to 1. make room for an edit of The Perfect Kiss, or 2. because it sounds too similar to Sooner Than You Think?


I guess the easiest explanation is that the instrumental had more chance of getting through, rejected vocals are not particularly favoured.
As you say, there is a pretty clear leaked version out there, so now you get a completely unheard instrumental instead.

Where can you hear the cleaned up original vocal version of Let's Go? The only version mp3 ever heard had terrible sound quality.

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#265 Posted : 19 November 2022 09:54:07(UTC)
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Really hoping let’s go is issued on vinyl as some sort of record store day. Vocal one side instrumental the other.
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#266 Posted : 20 November 2022 02:45:10(UTC)
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Thinking again about the £149 price.... i mean, really? I know, i know, inflation, and i presume rising production costs for these kind of things and all that.Just find it very steep.And the thing is with this box is i already have and watched umpteen times back in the day the Tokyo and Leuven videos ( though obviously never seen Confusion from the latter) and the Whistle Test stuff ( though of course not Face Up).On release day in January i'll be able to listen to the previously unreleased and unheard extras on Spotify or Amazon Music streaming anyway, i wouldn't need to buy the box to hear that stuff.Then there's the book, yeah i'd love to see that of course and the Rotterdam and Toronto gigs on one of the DVDs but i'm not as excitedly waiting to see those as i was the Peppermint Lounge and Hurrah footage on the Movement box and the Kilkenny and Hacienda 82 and 83 stuff on the PCL one.I just feel right now that this will be the first of the Definitive boxes i won't pre order before release day unless the price has dramatically dropped by then.I will buy the box eventually but it may not be until many months after release when the price has, hopefully, come right down.

Sorry to sound negative about it and i do appreciate all the work Johnny and everyone involved has put into this release.
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Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
Thinking again about the £149 price.... i mean, really? I know, i know, inflation, and i presume rising production costs for these kind of things and all that.Just find it very steep.And the thing is with this box is i already have and watched umpteen times back in the day the Tokyo and Leuven videos ( though obviously never seen Confusion from the latter) and the Whistle Test stuff ( though of course not Face Up).On release day in January i'll be able to listen to the previously unreleased and unheard extras on Spotify or Amazon Music streaming anyway, i wouldn't need to buy the box to hear that stuff.Then there's the book, yeah i'd love to see that of course and the Rotterdam and Toronto gigs on one of the DVDs but i'm not as excitedly waiting to see those as i was the Peppermint Lounge and Hurrah footage on the Movement box and the Kilkenny and Hacienda 82 and 83 stuff on the PCL one.I just feel right now that this will be the first of the Definitive boxes i won't pre order before release day unless the price has dramatically dropped by then.I will buy the box eventually but it may not be until many months after release when the price has, hopefully, come right down.

Sorry to sound negative about it and i do appreciate all the work Johnny and everyone involved has put into this release.

Very good points. I feel the same

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Very nice indeed!

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Hmm, I wonder why their link doesn't include the YouTube upload. Here it is:

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Nice.

Sounds like the instrumental dub version that might have appeared on a 12" B-side had 'Love Vigilantes' ever been released as a single...

"Dub Vigilantes"?
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Woah. Thanks for that, P & D. Interesting to hear the differences from the album version.
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Yep. Great to hear those bits of guitars without vocals over the top. Plus a couple of extra bits.

A full two minutes longer than the LP. Fab indeed.
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A full two minutes longer than the LP. Fab indeed.

Sounds like they did a couple of runs through the instrumental album version, playing about with the volume levels of various parts, then edited the best bits together, as there's parts of the track you hear more than once (like the four snare drum hits at the start of the track, and Barney's fast strumming in the middle of the song, both of which you hear twice in this version).

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A full two minutes longer than the LP. Fab indeed.

Sounds like they did a couple of runs through the instrumental album version, playing about with the volume levels of various parts, then edited the best bits together, as there's parts of the track you hear more than once (like the four snare drum hits at the start of the track, and Barney's fast strumming in the middle of the song, both of which you hear twice in this version).


....and technically, it's not an instrumental.
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#275 Posted : 27 November 2022 04:30:04(UTC)
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A full two minutes longer than the LP. Fab indeed.

Sounds like they did a couple of runs through the instrumental album version, playing about with the volume levels of various parts, then edited the best bits together, as there's parts of the track you hear more than once (like the four snare drum hits at the start of the track, and Barney's fast strumming in the middle of the song, both of which you hear twice in this version).


....and technically, it's not an instrumental.



Well - there are no word/lyrics being sung, beyond the doo-doo-doo backing vocals, but yeah I see your point :)

Weird that they did such a long edit. Like someone might need to do a 6 minute TV montage of something

Love it though!
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