Cheers. And thanks Johnny for responding.

Sometimes it’s only music that gets you through

Lost a couple of friends suddenly and young recently.
The cat popping his cloggs last week was the last straw!!

It's off to production now. 2022 still on course.

Great news, JJ. Thanks.

Looking forward to this.

Fantastic news, Johnny!

You’re the man!

Can’t wait!

Great news.

Can we expect a white box or a grey/silver? Could go either way.High hopes for a great remastered 12" TPK.Would Shellshock fall in with the Low Life era or the Brotherhood era? It was halfway between so neither really , though i'd say if it has to be in with one box at a push i'd say the Low Life box but it's a tough one.Maybe it won't feature on either of them.No great loss for me as i've never been a massive fan of the song (ducks for cover).

Shellshock is my favourite New Order song - has been since I first heard it in 1988 when I bought Substance. If the Collector's Editions are anything to go by, Shellshock will be included with the Low-Life Definitive Edition 12 inches. Hoping we finally get a digital release of the full 9:42 12" version.

Fingers crossed that we get an official release of the fantastic ‘original’ vocal version of ‘Let’s Go’.

I don't know what it is or was about Shellshock for me.Maybe i just got off to a bad start with it by first hearing the 7" on the radio just before its release, i found it limp with poor lyrics ('You call me on the phone..' blah blah) and i didn't like Bernard's vocal.Thing is, you could say the lyrics to say, Confusion were no better but the lyrics and melody to Shellshock never did much for me.I do like some of the sounds and beats on the 12" version though, some of it is indeed fun, funky and playful and the dub version Shellcock is quite bonkers with even a guitar solo right at the end! But the song was never anywhere near up there with monumental classics like AoC, YSF,BM, TLU, TPK, BLT etc.Oh well.

I guess Let’s Go can be dealt with in both box sets.
LowLife for the vocal version as, from all accounts, it was originally meant to be on that LP.

Then Brotherhood can pick up the Salvation tracks (if, indeed, it’s decided to include these, which I guess is not a certainty).

Alternatively, if Substance is done as a box set, Salvation tracks could be included as bonuses on that, I guess. Along with TF and TBTHOG 12”s.

I can't really see Substance getting the box set treatment. Only if physical media sales somehow tick up could I see how even a remastered/deluxe edition would be worthwhile. There wouldn't be as much of a production expense but I think the Definitive Editions are making it redundant.

Does Sputnik and Skullkrusher really deserve to be remastered?

How can you say that when the remastered 12" single tracks have not been included in the boxes, only released concurrently on new 12" pressings?

Substance needs a definitive box set.

It's been said before, but I think it essentially needs a remastered set (perhaps at a lower price point than the main definitive editions) including:

- Double vinyl mirroring the original 1987 Substance LP

- 3 x CDs with the same 28 tracks as the original double cassette from 1987. Only difference should be the full 12" version of 'The Perfect Kiss' on the CD, as the truncated one added nothing to the original release, and the full version was always on the vinyl edition even in 1987. All other re-recordings (Temptation and Confusion) and edits unique to Substance (Subculture, Shellshock, Hurt) should be kept, as they were decent edits shortening what were very long 12" versions, and made Substance what it is. Any more mucking about with tracklistings of the core album, and it'll cease to be Substance.

Not averse to a fourth bonus CD with a few other rarities as an addition to the remastered core Substance.

Also accompany it with digital releases of all the seven inches, including B-sides - as a companion to all the digital.12 inches that have been put out.

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