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#26 Posted : 19 November 2020 13:20:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post

Any ideas how many episodes this podcast is scheduled to go on for, given that they've done 4 and only got as far as the end of JD?


No idea, but I'd guess that they'll be at least another four, to match the number of JD episodes. Maybe more.

If I had to guess, we'll at least get episodes focussing on:

a) The early days, after the loss of Ian;
b) PC&L, Blue Monday and the giant leap forward the band made;
c) The Haçienda, Acid House, Ibiza etc.
e) The later years (inc. break-ups etc.)


If they really wanted to, they could do an episode for each LP, I guess.
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#27 Posted : 19 November 2020 15:48:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post


Any ideas how many episodes this podcast is scheduled to go on for



8 episodes.
Can't see how they can get in-depth and up to date with only 4 episodes left🤔

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ROCKET MICK on 24/11/2020(UTC)
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#28 Posted : 20 November 2020 00:24:38(UTC)
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Good spot.

Also, reading further down the page:

“The first series of eight episodes, or ‘Transmissions’, will cover the journey from Joy Division up until 1983’s Blue Monday.”

So there’s gonna be at least two series.

I thought it odd that they didn’t list Phil & Tom as interviewees. This explains it. They’ll probably get interviewed for a later series.
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#29 Posted : 20 November 2020 02:04:08(UTC)
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I read it was up to 83 - don't remember where, but I def did cos that was why I decided not to waste any time on it. In the words of my exes, Too Much.
Ah, just saw the Orange got there first. I actually tried to post this yesterday but it was rejected as spam.

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#30 Posted : 20 November 2020 02:47:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
I read it was up to 83 - don't remember where, but I def did cos that was why I decided not to waste any time on it. In the words of my exes, Too Much.


It’s pretty good, Michael.
I know it probably isn’t your thing, but I’m really enjoying them.

Quite pleased that they’re not going to be skimming through the New Order years.
I’ve noticed a tendency in recent years for the NO years to be given a lot less attention than the JD years.
As someone who favours NO over JD (although I still love the latter), this has irked me somewhat.

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ROCKET MICK on 24/11/2020(UTC)
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#31 Posted : 20 November 2020 03:31:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post


b) PC&L, Blue Monday and the giant leap forward the band made;


... Rising from the ashes of Joy Division. A bit like a Phoenix...
Lucky Ash didn't have the same fate.
After the bleak mid-90s, with the box sets and this they're finally getting the proper treatment. But feels like I've been here before. But like the sweet thief, takes all sorts.
And yes, the quote fuckion's funking up.

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ROCKET MICK on 24/11/2020(UTC)
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The quote function clearly doesn't like you Mr Monkhouse. 🤔

Well if Mr 🍊 can't convince you, maybe this little article can.

I know the story of Joy Division...
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ROCKET MICK on 24/11/2020(UTC)
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#33 Posted : 20 November 2020 12:53:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Good spot.

Also, reading further down the page:

“The first series of eight episodes, or ‘Transmissions’, will cover the journey from Joy Division up until 1983’s Blue Monday.”

So there’s gonna be at least two series.

I thought it odd that they didn’t list Phil & Tom as interviewees. This explains it. They’ll probably get interviewed for a later series.




Ah OK, makes sense - at this pace it needs to be about 5 series
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ROCKET MICK on 24/11/2020(UTC)
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#34 Posted : 25 November 2020 16:05:15(UTC)
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listening to part 5 live now.

very cool.

later
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ROCKET MICK on 03/12/2020(UTC)
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#35 Posted : 02 December 2020 11:10:43(UTC)
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episode 6 coming up later today.


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ROCKET MICK on 03/12/2020(UTC)
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#36 Posted : 02 December 2020 12:30:48(UTC)
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An entire episode devoted to the Hacienda?

This promises to be the least compelling one to date.

I've enjoyed the series overall though.









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#37 Posted : 02 December 2020 16:42:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cranelane Go to Quoted Post
An entire episode devoted to the Hacienda?

This promises to be the least compelling one to date.

I've enjoyed the series overall though.










another great episode, enjoyed it a lot.

cool little music interludes, and mixes in there too.

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ROCKET MICK on 03/12/2020(UTC)
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#38 Posted : 03 December 2020 13:46:34(UTC)
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another great episode, enjoyed it a lot.

cool little music interludes, and mixes in there too.

later
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I listened in but apart from a few laughs here and there I can't say it was unmissable, it just seems a waste to devote an entire episode to the Hacienda with the promise of more to follow.

Episode 7 will cover Power, Corruption & Lies, back to the music.


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#39 Posted : 05 December 2020 11:51:59(UTC)
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Peter Saville bores me to tears
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ROCKET MICK on 18/12/2020(UTC)
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#40 Posted : 05 December 2020 13:27:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lee Go to Quoted Post
Peter Saville bores me to tears


I thought his comments about Ian Curtis in episode 4 were odd.

Quote:
Ultimately, it was Ian whose sacrifice was the capital that was then going to sustain factory for a decade.
You know, Ian died and that precipitated this unprecedented sale of records....You can't put that in a marketing plan. You can't put that in a business model. it just happened.


I have quoted what Saville said, people can interpret his words for themselves.

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ROCKET MICK on 18/12/2020(UTC)
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#41 Posted : 05 December 2020 21:52:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cranelane Go to Quoted Post
Ultimately, it was Ian whose sacrifice was the capital that was then going to sustain factory for a decade.
You know, Ian died and that precipitated this unprecedented sale of records....You can't put that in a marketing plan. You can't put that in a business model. it just happened.


I mean, he's not wrong. He's just being matter-of-fact about it, which has always been Saville's way in an interview.

Ian died 40 years ago. Yes, it was sad, but I don't have this reverential "must never be talked about" attitude about it. Factory started cashing in a year later with Still, which in Wilson's own words was to head off the bootleggers.

The tragic death of a young pop star is not the kind of thing you can put in a business model, but it will generate cash.
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ROCKET MICK on 18/12/2020(UTC)
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#42 Posted : 06 December 2020 04:58:43(UTC)
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Personally I didn't mind the Factory rehashes. Still was shoddy but at least it was bringing out material that was otherwise unavailable. And the two Substances earned their keep cos they were compiling tracks that had become hard to track down. The shameless cash-ins started with London and cuntributed to my lack of interest.
Seriously though, did someone die? Better check this series out after all
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#43 Posted : 06 December 2020 08:10:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cranelane Go to Quoted Post
t just seems a waste to devote an entire episode to the Hacienda with the promise of more to follow.



Although I'm not massively interested in the Haçienda, it's still a huge part of the part's history and part of what makes their story so incredible.
One episode out eight seems pretty fair, considering that the band, by opening the place, changed club culture and helped bring out Acid House.

Besides, this series will only take us up to 1983. With any luck, they'll commission a second series (or beyond) to cover the later years.


I enjoyed the Haç episode. Nice of them to interview people we don't usually hear from (Ben Kelly, and that DJ who's name escapes me).




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#44 Posted : 09 December 2020 13:18:09(UTC)
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part 7 about PCL coming up,
another exciting episode.

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ROCKET MICK on 18/12/2020(UTC)
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#45 Posted : 10 December 2020 01:32:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Cranelane Go to Quoted Post
t just seems a waste to devote an entire episode to the Hacienda with the promise of more to follow.



Although I'm not massively interested in the Haçienda, it's still a huge part of the part's history and part of what makes their story so incredible.
One episode out eight seems pretty fair, considering that the band, by opening the place, changed club culture and helped bring out Acid House.

Besides, this series will only take us up to 1983. With any luck, they'll commission a second series (or beyond) to cover the later years.


I enjoyed the Haç episode. Nice of them to interview people we don't usually hear from (Ben Kelly, and that DJ who's name escapes me).



DJ was Hewan Clarke

It was interesting, but I had a feeling throughout that it was more a part of the Factory Records story than that of Joy Division/New Order
I get that it's integral to both, but there wasn't much input from the band members, or much about the music

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#46 Posted : 10 December 2020 13:07:01(UTC)
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Always curious when rent-a-hyperbolic-quote Nobo pops up on these things. Does he proffer his pearls of wisdom or do the doco makers seek them out? He obviously holds NO / JD in some esteem but I can't really imagine it working the other way.
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#47 Posted : 10 December 2020 13:29:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: M1 Go to Quoted Post
Always curious when rent-a-hyperbolic-quote Nobo pops up on these things. Does he proffer his pearls of wisdom or do the doco makers seek them out? He obviously holds NO / JD in some esteem but I can't really imagine it working the other way.


They have been known to mention U2 from time to time in interviews, whether or not they are fans is irrelevant really.

We heard some deep insights from Karen O on episode 7, I for one am grateful for that.

Good episode, I enjoyed the anecdote about the cover of Power, Corruption & Lies.

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The thing I love most about these podcasts is that I can pretend that Barney, Hooky, Gillian, and Steve are all sitting together and chatting together.

Apparently the next episode will be the final one of the season. Feels like this will be a three-season show -- I can't imagine they could go through Lowlife to Music Complete in 8 episodes. I bet they'll conclude season 2 with Republic -- the last time our fab four played together, right? I hope they'll do an episode with all the side projects: Electronic, Revenge, The Other Two, and Monaco.

I know we've all heard this story before, but I have to tell you, it's just a joy to listen to their old music again. :)
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#49 Posted : 13 December 2020 05:03:28(UTC)
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It's been a fabulous series and I've enjoyed it thoroughly.

It's turning into a pretty definitive history of the band, with it (presumably) running to about 5 hours.
It's about time that a decent documentary was made that covers both bands (Grant Gee's excellent documentary only covers the JD story).

My only slight niggle is that it's audio only. I would've liked to have seen the interviewees and, perhaps, some archive footage.
But that is a minor quibble. It's been utterly brilliant.
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#50 Posted : 16 December 2020 10:33:46(UTC)
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Episode 8 about blue monday is up today.

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