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#476 Posted : 08 July 2020 06:37:22(UTC)
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Let's not forget Special.
Second only to Regret for me on the LP.


SAME. I don't get all the Republic bashing on this forum. Get Ready is the piece of shit.

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#477 Posted : 08 July 2020 06:59:52(UTC)
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Feels like I've been here before.


http://forums.neworderon...sts&t=3550#post24477
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#478 Posted : 08 July 2020 07:17:28(UTC)
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Feels like I've been here before.


http://forums.neworderon...sts&t=3550#post24477


Ah, whatever happened to KIC?

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ROCKET MICK on 13/07/2020(UTC)
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#479 Posted : 08 July 2020 15:02:44(UTC)
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Maybe the narwahls got him. It's what he would've wanted.
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#480 Posted : 10 July 2020 23:16:04(UTC)
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An anal-ysis of New Order's first allbums
By Richard Staines
Movement. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
PCL. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
Low Life. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
Brotherhood. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
Technique. This is essentially a transitional album from Joy Division to New Order. It's as if they stopped being Joy Division and became New Order.
Republic. This album Is shit.
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#481 Posted : 27 September 2020 05:45:21(UTC)
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Be A Rebel review posted.

Take care everyone.
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#482 Posted : 27 September 2020 11:08:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post
Be A Rebel review posted.

Take care everyone.


you give them way too much credit for this song.

i'd rate it a 2/5 at the most, the remixes might push
it to a 3, but thats about it.

repeated listens might force you to like it more, but when
there's not much there to dig into in the first place,
it just lessens what the song has (or doesn't have).

later
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ROCKET MICK on 27/09/2020(UTC)
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#483 Posted : 27 September 2020 18:54:17(UTC)
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I'd rate it a 2/5 at the most, the remixes might push
it to a 3, but thats about it.



Funny you should say that.
My rating was 3.5 up to a 4 in anticipation of the remixes - how optimistic is that!
Don't kill my enthusiasm LoL

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ROCKET MICK on 28/09/2020(UTC)
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#484 Posted : 28 September 2020 01:31:55(UTC)
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I’m sorry but I’ve listened to be a Rebel about 40 times and it’s not sticking for me. It’s a nice throwaway pop song in the vein of Liar to me.

2.5/5
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ROCKET MICK on 28/09/2020(UTC)
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#485 Posted : 28 September 2020 03:15:02(UTC)
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Not overstruck either but it's light years ahead of Liar. After the wait and the hype I didn't know whether to laugh or piss myself. Utter crud.
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#486 Posted : 28 September 2020 03:50:53(UTC)
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I’m sorry but I’ve listened to be a Rebel about 40 times and it’s not sticking for me. It’s a nice throwaway pop song in the vein of Liar to me.

2.5/5

Yeah, same for me. 2/5 here.

It has a nice, summery, 'Republic' feel to it, but to me it just sounds like a demo made with basic MIDI synthesisers or soundcards.

Granted, it's wonderful they are still releasing new material, and long may it continue, but my main problem with the song is that after playing it many times, it doesn't stick in my head - I couldn't sing it to you if you asked me how it goes.

Hoping for something more interested in the Barney/Steve remixes...

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ROCKET MICK on 28/09/2020(UTC)
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#487 Posted : 28 September 2020 04:31:26(UTC)
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I agree with you totally on these excellent observations, which I quote:

Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
... nice, summery ...


Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
... light years ahead ...


Originally Posted by: is it bro Go to Quoted Post
I’m sorry ... It’s ... nice


Everything else was bitter and grumpy which I've had enough of for 2020. More light pop music required.




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ROCKET MICK on 28/09/2020(UTC)
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#488 Posted : 28 September 2020 05:55:12(UTC)
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I said Light years ahead... Of Liar. Kinda brings it down.
I think a lot of people are just pleased about (a) something cool in this shit year, (b) anything at all instead of yet another retread and (c) anything other than Liar.
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ROCKET MICK on 28/09/2020(UTC)
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#489 Posted : 08 August 2021 21:19:27(UTC)
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Just signed a publishing deal to turn the blog into a book, to be released in 2022.
More details to come, and I might be in touch with some of you...

Read

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#490 Posted : 09 August 2021 00:41:09(UTC)
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Just signed a publishing deal to turn the blog into a book, to be released in 2022.
More details to come, and I might be in touch with some of you...

Read


Congratulations - sounds exciting! Are you going to call it 'From. Ceremony to Be A Rebel' now?

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ROCKET MICK on 09/08/2021(UTC)
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#491 Posted : 09 August 2021 02:16:51(UTC)
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That is, in the words of Sylvia Plath totally fucking awesome.
About ten years ago I was in negotiations to translate this song-by-song JD book into English https://www.ibs.it/joy-d...di-marco/e/9788862310017 - unfortunately there were too many copyright complications because Deborah owns a lot of the rights. Bah.
I'm quite happy to let you quote 'It is total and utter fucking shit'.
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ROCKET MICK on 09/08/2021(UTC)
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#492 Posted : 09 August 2021 04:53:19(UTC)
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Just signed a publishing deal to turn the blog into a book, to be released in 2022.
More details to come, and I might be in touch with some of you...

Read



Excellent! Exciting times!
Many congratulations, Dennis.
It was a great blog and is worthy of preservation.

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About ten years ago I was in negotiations to translate this song-by-song JD book into English https://www.ibs.it/joy-d...di-marco/e/9788862310017 - unfortunately there were too many copyright complications because Deborah owns a lot of the rights. Bah.


That's a real shame that didn't happen, Michael. Frown
I'd've bought a copy.
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ROCKET MICK on 09/08/2021(UTC)
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#493 Posted : 09 August 2021 18:55:29(UTC)
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I'm quite happy to let you quote 'It is total and utter fucking shit'.



Ace.


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#494 Posted : 09 August 2021 19:00:01(UTC)
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Congratulations - sounds exciting! Are you going to call it 'From. Ceremony to Be A Rebel' now?


Don't want to outdate it too early Big Grin who knows what 2022 may bring...

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ROCKET MICK on 09/08/2021(UTC)
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#495 Posted : 10 August 2021 00:16:23(UTC)
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That's a real shame that didn't happen, Michael. Frown
I'd've bought a copy.


Well I spoke to the writer on the dog and boner AND in person at a presentation, but the problem was that his interpretation was heavily reliant on Ian's actual words, so we needed copyright clearance from Deborah. They were wary about approaching her and asking her to go through the tragedy yet again, especially in the name of an obscure Italian publishing company. My attitude has always been 'Fuck it', but they argued that even if she said yes, the costs would, alongside the effort and printing costs, make it financially shit. Good to know the PUNK attitude is still rampant, eh? The solution would've been to paraphrase but that would've made a frustrating and ultimately unreadable buke: You know, 'In this ditty, Ian says that that which the froggies call 'amour' is going to rip himself and an unspecified other / unspecified others into an unspecified number of pieces.' Ewww.
I think the other problem was that I'm not authoritative enough. Apparently 'thinks New Order are overrated, says 'total and utter fucking shit' a lot and occasionally jerks off to Sporty' does not suffice. Snobs.
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ROCKET MICK on 07/11/2021(UTC)
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#496 Posted : 10 August 2021 00:17:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Congratulations - sounds exciting! Are you going to call it 'From. Ceremony to Be A Rebel' now?


Don't want to outdate it too early Big Grin who knows what 2022 may bring...



You could call it 'From Ceremony to yet another rehash'.
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#497 Posted : 10 August 2021 04:40:38(UTC)
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They were wary about approaching her and asking her to go through the tragedy yet again.


They should've sent you to mediate with her. Your sensitive approach would've won the day, I'm sure! Big Grin

Joking aside, you're right; the approach that you would've had to have taken would've led to a fairly unsatisfactory reading experience.

Still, a pretty frustrating experience for you.


Dennis - please keep us all up to date with how the project is going. You can definitely put me down for a copy.
I will say that your blog was a joy to read, and I eagerly looked forward to every new update.
I will follow this thread with significant interest.

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#498 Posted : 11 August 2021 01:04:56(UTC)
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Yeah! I could've softened her up with my JD routine:
What's smelly, full of shit and gives Mancs a boner? Tony Wilson... I saw a concert sign, New Order: Sold Out! I thought, Yes, in 1993, you cunts... I said, Doctor, I keep listening to one shit song that's been remixed to death. He said, How does it feel?... Seriously, it drives me mad when people say New Order are just a Joy division spin-off. I hate that - cos I've heard Joy Division. And they're even fucking worse... What's boring, jerks off to Hitler and pays three cunts' rent? Ian Curtis... What did John Lennon say to Ian Curtis? I know you're depressed - but nothing to get hung about. What did John Lennon say to Ian curtis the next day? Let me take you down... My dad was a failed epileptic. No great shakes. Could've been a mover and shaker. On Twitch... I loved it when Tony Wilson said. 'We didn't make records - We made HISTORY!' It's only half true. Like saying Joy Division were shit hot. History? Yeah, the Declaration of Independence - the Second World War - Crispy fucking Ambulance. For fuck's sake. And how could I forget the Stockholm Monsters? Easy. Cos they're total and utter fucking shit too.
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ROCKET MICK on 07/11/2021(UTC)
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#499 Posted : 11 August 2021 01:09:36(UTC)
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Joking aside, you're right; the approach that you would've had to have taken would've led to a fairly unsatisfactory reading experience.



Slightly off topic, but one of the most famous cases was Ian Hamilton's attempt to write a Salinger autobiography. Hamilton's scoop was finding a bunch of private letters, but Salinger took him to court over breach of privacy. The solution was to paraphrase, but unfortunately the charm of the original letters lay precisely in the prose, or as they called it 'the expressive heart', so in the end Hamilton withdrew and fleshed out the book with an accunt of the court case. Sadly (actually I don't give a fuck either way), the resulting autobiography is more interesting for the legal hoohah than any light it shed on Salinger's actual life and unpyblished wanks.
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ROCKET MICK on 07/11/2021(UTC)
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#500 Posted : 24 July 2022 17:57:28(UTC)
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Hi everyone - been a while, hope you're all well.

I'm finishing up final edits for my New Order book for SonicBond Publishing, which will be largely based on my NewOrderTracks reviews blog. It'll be published as part of their "On Track" series.

I could use some very specific facts that elude even my discographic brain.

1) I need to know both the studio and session dates (year+month or month-range) for the following recordings. Try as I might I haven't been able to pin them down.

Video-586
The Christmas Flexi tracks
Temptation 98
Brutal
Here to Stay
Peter Saville Soundtrack
Control soundtrack recordings

2) I also want to confirm the session time period for their last 3 albums: a) Get Ready, b) 'Sirens Call and c) Music Complete album sessions. Published details are sketchy.

Thanks
Dennis
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