I screen-grabbed it in case I couldn't download it to keep. If you can't get to listen to later, just drop me a PM / email and I'll send it to you. Pretty good. The whole thing lasted for about an hour.



Yep, me too. They make reference to it in the above programme.

You can kind of see it in the Twitter post above, but not in any detail. Looks like I have it in my archives though:

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In the radio programme today, Steve mentioned that the BBC didn't record it. He said that the band recorded it themselves.

A short while after, the BBC approached the band, wanting to record them live in concert. Steve said that they responded to say that they already had a tape of the Kilkenny show, so let them have a copy of that recording.

He also separately mentioned that, in 1981, he bought portable video equipment, with the intention to 'rope in' friends or colleagues of the band to film some of their gigs. This is what happened in the case of Kilkenny. Someone standing to the side of the stage with a single camera.

Putting these two facts together, I'm wondering whether the band either lent the BBC the video tape or took an audio recording from that video themselves. If, for whatever reason, In A Lonely Place wasn't filmed, this would explain why it's missing from both the video and the audio.

But, thinking about it, would the audio from a handheld video camera be good enough for the BBC to use?

Good interview that and the interviewer knows his New Order stuff which is always a relief.

It’s certainly possible that it might be a ‘tape flip’.
Track 7, so seems possible.

Just seems strange that both the video and the audio would be missing the same track.

I’m not sure what equipment was used to video the gig, but would there be a tape flip on a video recording? I always think of this sort of equipment as using standard VHS tapes (the one I rented in the late 80s used standard VHS tapes). I will admit my knowledge on this sort of technology is severely lacking though.

Maybe Johnny James will be able to tell us the reason for In A Lonely Place not being on either the forthcoming DVD or the BBC radio broadcast.

It was only many years after the Radio 1 broadcast that i found out that IALP had been played but omitted.One reason i wondered was that maybe the song was deemed too dark and depressing for Radio and also it would have taken the programme over the 1 hour time slot.The radio broadcast without IALP makes it a neat 1 hour which i assume Radio 1 wanted to fit in their schedule, or 56 minutes or so allowing 4 minutes for the news at the start of that hour.But that doesn't explain the omission from the DVD.The other thing is from what i've read on bootleg notes is that it wasn't the best of performances of the song , maybe played too fast so the band decided to cut it out.I did listen to an audience recording of it once but can't recall if it was a bad one or not.And yeah there's also the possibility of tape flip.Maybe a combination of all of the above.

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IALP wasn't played at Kilkenny? OK, now i'm confused.

Actually, this makes a certain amount of sense now.

I have several different copies of the Soundboard, all taken from the radio broadcast.
Only one of these has IALP inserted into it.
Apart from that one track, I’ve never heard of an ‘audience’ version of the gig, i.e. I don’t have a complete ‘audience’ bootleg of the whole gig, from which IALP was taken from.

It therefore seems possible that this track was actually taken from an ‘audience’ recording of a different gig.

I'm sure it wouldn't have stopped them playing it at any point in the gig back then. However, on this occasion they didn't. Another reference is Dec's Heaven to Heaven book that also makes no mention of it in the set. He probably also taped the gig.

A friend with an extensive catalog of recordings was able to track it down to a cassette from 2001 where someone erroneously stuck it on the end of side one of a tape to fill up blank space. He's now trying to identify what gig it actually came from.

Edited by user 22 August 2020 08:56:55(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

The x4 re-released singles are actually now available on Amazon but more expensive than NO store at £11.99 each.

Looks like we made the right choice in buying from the NO Store then, Fotz.

A saving of over £20 (£155.95 on Amazon, compared to £135 on the Store, for the complete bundle).

Edited by user 23 August 2020 05:02:38(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Nice to see you here, Sam.

Thanks for getting to the bottom of this.

To clarify...

The error was introduced in late November 2001 when it was assumed to be a genuine addition to the gigography.

The cassette itself is much older than 2001. The particular Maxell UDS-II insert/cassette design dates from 1986 or so.

As for trying to identify where this is from...haven't managed that yet. Suspect it's from another '83 show.

UPDATE: looks like a cohort has identified it as being from Bournemouth 1983-12-02!

Edited by user 23 August 2020 09:29:24(UTC)  | Reason: version of IALP has been confirmed as being from 1983-12-02!