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#401 Posted : 16 June 2019 07:08:04(UTC)
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By the way, I can highly recommend his film 'B-Movie: Lust & Sound in West-Berlin 1979-1989'. A fascinating glimpse at post-punk / underground music in West Berlin during the 80s.

Well it looks like you got two of us to watch it this week, beacause I watched it a few days ago too. Kinda forgot about it after the initial "hype" circa Singularity's video.

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Even a brief clip at one point of him hanging out with New Order.

And the rat woman! Ugh! Sticking rats in her bra including the baby which must have been just born. I hope she wasn't breast feeding them!

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The version I watched however had no subtitles during the parts in German. Not sure if there’s a version with subtitles for those parts. Minor quibble though.

I watched it on a film app called Black Panther (!) and it had subtitles for the German bits. I got an amazon Fire Stick on Black Friday last year (£25) and I have to say it has been amazing in terms of being able to find films - via the not-so-official film apps you can put on it (Showbox, Tea TV, Cyberflix, Cinema HD). Well worth the investment.

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I really liked the music on the end credits and I think used elsewhere during the film- You Need The Drugs by Westbam featuring Richard Butler.

I shazamed that during the film. Wasn't expecting it to be the Psychedelic Furs frontman, although it does of course sound like him.

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Mr Reeder pretty much chronicled his life, as it was happening. We're lucky that he had the forethought to do this, preserving the memory of the scene at the time.

Yes, I was wondering how this film was going to work beforehand. Didn't realise he had so much footage of himself. Mr Reeder was different to how I imagined he would be. Very cheerful and apparently up for absolutely anything, from managing bands (Die Toten Hosen) to doing porn voiceovers and "video nasties".


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That's what i was thinking throughout the film, like, he videoed almost his every waking moment of that era? Or someone did as it'd be pretty hard to film yourself.Also i think some of the clips are from his, erm, film career? He was a German-soldier- dressing porn star???

Was that bit where the bird flew into the window for real? Also the stuff with him hanging upside down naked from a rope was...interesting! And it's actually in the Singularity video (briefly). That vid is definitely worth another watch once you've watched the film.


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The section with Muriel Gray seemed familiar.I may have watched that on The Tube or something back in the day.

I had this exact thought.

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I like quite a few of the tracks on the film and bought both the film and the accompanying double CD .

I was going to post a tune from the film in the "What Are You Listening To" thread. A track that isn't on the soundtrack CD and was credited to Kris Needs on the film credits. Where Reeder puts the needle on the record and says, it's a great example of trance music (circa 1992). It sounds a bit dated now, but at the time I thought it was frickin' awesome.

Secret Knowledge - Sugar Daddy (Original Mix)

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#402 Posted : 16 June 2019 07:53:08(UTC)
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Well it looks like you got two of us to watch it this week, beacause I watched it a few days ago too. Kinda forgot about it after the initial "hype" circa Singularity's video.


Well, I'm glad that you've both seen it and I would thoroughly recommend others to check it out. It really is worth the watch. And, as mentioned above, there's a brief clip of New Order, along with very brief discussion about Joy Division's visit to the Kant Kino (IIRC).


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#403 Posted : 21 June 2019 14:40:38(UTC)
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Watched again but the subtitled version. Followed the story a bit more this time, what with obviously understanding the parts in German because of the subtitles and also getting my head round a bit more how Reeder made the film. It’s not so much that he filmed everything back then but more he put the story together with clips from B-Movies he starred in( so the clue was in plain sight in the film’s title all along?) music
videos, tv clips etc?

The film brings back memories of the 1980s even if you didn’t go to or live in Berlin in that era. Some of the characters remind me of certain people or groups of people that used to be around my town in the 80s. Of course, not to the extent of the more famous or infamous kind that lived in West Berlin but a number of people that lived, or tried as best they could, to live outside of society. An underground existence. Not the kind of people that worked a 9-5. Or worked at all. Their lives revolved around the next drug score and the next party. You could if you really tried get away with it in the 80s but a type of existence that is almost impossible to do today.

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#404 Posted : 03 July 2019 23:11:46(UTC)
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People On The High Line + Stray Dog reviews posted.

Less than 10 to go Oh well ...

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#405 Posted : 03 July 2019 23:34:40(UTC)
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POTHL is a great funky track.I play the remixes of it more though if anything these days.

Every time I listen to Stray Dog I can’t help but think of Mr Smith from The Matrix. On this song Iggy Pop’s spoken words are like a growlier version of the Matrix bad guy.

I was aware somehow of what “grimpen mire” meant.

Never did find that beer anywhere!

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#406 Posted : 04 July 2019 05:00:48(UTC)
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Bloody love ‘Stray Dog’ (the song; never found the beer).

Sounds like the natural successor to ‘Murder’.

Never sure why others hate it so much.
I think it’s class and love that the band decided to do something a bit different.
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#407 Posted : 11 August 2019 22:21:50(UTC)
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Academic + Nothing But A Fool reviews posted.



Am I stretching this out? Probably... Wink Thanks for continuing to indulge my writings, and thanks for the >100,000 topic views here on NOOL.

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#408 Posted : 11 August 2019 23:11:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post
Academic + Nothing But A Fool reviews posted.



Am I stretching this out? Probably... Wink Thanks for continuing to indulge my writings, and thanks for the >100,000 topic views here on NOOL.

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Thank you. A great idea, and an excellent, invaluable resource. Are you going to extend it to cover the solo projects too?
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#409 Posted : 12 August 2019 17:46:46(UTC)
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Thank you. A great idea, and an excellent, invaluable resource. Are you going to extend it to cover the solo projects too?


I have some plans with the New Order stuff which will keep me busy for a little while, and I fear things might get ugly with some of the Revenge output Wink

You never know though...

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#410 Posted : 12 August 2019 22:50:34(UTC)
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Thank you. A great idea, and an excellent, invaluable resource. Are you going to extend it to cover the solo projects too?


I have some plans with the New Order stuff which will keep me busy for a little while, and I fear things might get ugly with some of the Revenge output Wink

You never know though...

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Ah, Revenge ... urm, yeah. You can't unsee this:

https://youtu.be/dZsfz-syCEs?t=48m49s

Makes Barney look like Nureyev in the dancing stakes.Big Grin

Loved your write-up on Restless, by the way.

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#411 Posted : 14 August 2019 00:20:54(UTC)
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Bloody love ‘Stray Dog’ (the song; never found the beer).

Sounds like the natural successor to ‘Murder’.

Never sure why others hate it so much.


If Stray Dog was a 1983 Benelux only Factory 12", the fans'd be weak at the kness. But in the context of an LP, it slows the momentum.
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#412 Posted : 27 August 2019 01:11:18(UTC)
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Quick poll (since I just finished the Unlearn This Hatred review):

Here To Stay, Singularity, Unlearn This Hatred - what's your prime NO track (co)produced by the Chems... ???

https://twitter.com/tran...1166276385960185856?s=20
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#413 Posted : 27 August 2019 02:24:51(UTC)
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Out Of Control. Tongue
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#414 Posted : 27 August 2019 06:59:18(UTC)
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I second Out Of Control. :D

But of the three proper New Order tracks, probably Singularity, with Here To Stay a very close second. I wish they'd put that back in the setlist.
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Probably Singularity edges it over Here To Stay. Just.

Of course, it might be the other way around tomorrow.

Two of my five best post-Factory tracks (alongside Regret, Special and Crystal, in case anyone was interested).
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Two of my five best post-Factory tracks (alongside Regret, Special and Crystal, in case anyone was interested).


Sigh. That is such an underrated track. I think it's the best thing on Republic after Regret, and I wish they'd tried it with the synthesizer orchestra.
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Two of my five best post-Factory tracks (alongside Regret, Special and Crystal, in case anyone was interested).


Sigh. That is such an underrated track. I think it's the best thing on Republic after Regret, and I wish they'd tried it with the synthesizer orchestra.


Could not agree more...stunning, stunning track.

Such a shame the only live version I know of (Roskilde 93) has Barney totally butchering the best bit of the song by coming in a verse too early. Typical LoL

According to setlist fm the only other time they played it was Montreux. Wow, that's news to me - has anyone heard or seen that? I don't remember it being part of the broadcast at all.



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According to setlist fm the only other time they played it was Montreux. Wow, that's news to me - has anyone heard or seen that? I don't remember it being part of the broadcast at all.


Someone in the know once told me it was slated for that show, but they dropped it at the last second, so Roskilde remains the only time it was attempted live.
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Special is great, but hot on the heels of Liar and Chemical, so is One Direction.
To my knowledge it was played live at the above and for Montreax but cut from the MTV broadcast.
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#420 Posted : 10 September 2019 20:32:29(UTC)
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Unlearn This Hatred + The Game reviews posted.

Completion of project imminent (for now)... Frown

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#421 Posted : 11 September 2019 01:37:33(UTC)
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PS Out of Cuntroll, Sasha mix.
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#422 Posted : 11 September 2019 05:59:09(UTC)
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Revisited Unlearn This Hatred and The Game before posting this.Both the album versions and the extended mixes of each.Nope, i still cannot get on with Unlearn.I've never really liked it and am pretty sure i never will.I just find it at worst irritating, uninspired, dated and a desperate filler of an album track.I wouldn't even have liked to see it as just a b-side,it should never have made it out of the studio in any form.At best it just does nothing for me.The extended mix is, well the best i can say about it is it's not as irritating as the album version.I recall around the time Music Complete was released, 6Music had it as their album of the week and played one or two songs from it every day for a week.Can't recall what the other song was, maybe Singularity, but i remember thinking ffs. they've chosen the worst song on the album, Unlearn This Hatred,as one of the songs they're playing every day.Sorry, i can't unlearn my hatred of this song.Should not have been on the album.

The Game fares better though even it isn't the greatest or most original musically but it does have some appealing elements.Bernard's lyrics are ok ish and i at least get something from them, unlike Unlearn This Hatred.I like Bernard's message in The Game that life is something to cherish and make the most of while we can.I actually like the album version better than the extended mix which to me is just an exercise in drawing out longer instrumental elements of the song.But just drawing out longer musical passages isn't always necessarily a good thing, it depends on the song.I mean, the extended mix of Singularity works in drawing out longer passages but that doesn't mean that works for every song.The Mark Reeder remix however is great, a really interesting and totally different take on the song.

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Unlearn is the kind of thing I'd've liked when I first got into them cos it was via the Pets so I was more electro than rock. It just gives me a headache now.
The Game is okay. I can't comment on the mixes cos my obsession was over and just for once I don't think the trax needed 45798 variations.
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#424 Posted : 26 September 2019 21:39:27(UTC)
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Nearly there. Watch this space.

In the meantime, 'thought this might be useful: Spotify
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#425 Posted : 08 October 2019 12:46:01(UTC)
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Well done DR for getting to the end. Absolutely brilliant read each and every review. When you started this I had hoped we would have some new NO material so you would have to Change the tag line.

Maybe you could go back and review all the Joy Division songs as well (I presume you are a fan) then the side projects!

Wish I could have written something like this myself as I’m forever reviewing their songs / albums in my head, sometimes it’s good to get it down on paper / screen. Good for the mental healthBig Grin. I’ll have to Jon the site so I can go back and comment on all the songs in the comments...now that it’s over...it’s over

It might spur me on do do something similar with one of my other music obsessions such as The Jesus and Mary Chain or Detroit legends Underground Resistance.

Enjoy our heroes in their upcoming Australia shows. New order fans have done the band proud with their journalism what with your review page and Dec’s superb Heaven to Heaven book.
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