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perspexorange		#1 Posted : 13 August 2018 05:07:49(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		http://www.neworder.com/...3/new-order-decades.html Sounds good...

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Fotzepolitic		#2 Posted : 13 August 2018 05:28:44(UTC)
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perspexorange		#3 Posted : 13 August 2018 06:12:02(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		I think I’ve got it as part of my Now TV package. Fingers crossed that someone gets it recorded so that non-UK viewers can see it.

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perspexorange		#4 Posted : 13 August 2018 10:36:38(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		Here's the text from the website, in case anyone couldn't be arsed to click the link ;-) : "New Order: Decades A film by Mike Christie A Caravan Production for Sky Arts Almost forty years to the day of Joy Division's TV debut, "New Order: Decades" which will air on Saturday 22nd September at 9pm on Sky Arts is a unique and timely feature-length film about one of the UK’s most original and truly iconic bands. Part concert, part documentary, this film follows the band’s preparations in the re-staging of their acclaimed collaboration So It Goes.. with the artist Liam Gillick and the 12-piece synthesiser orchestra that spectacularly captured the headlines during Manchester International Festival 2017. The complexities extend beyond the technical and logistical: this is a band that rarely looks backwards, yet for this project they had to reflect on - and de-construct – the band’s history, in order to create something very new. With full access to New Order and their collaborators, this film is an unprecedented and intimate celebration of their story and their music. Through personal interviews with the band members and close collaborators including Gillick and art director Peter Saville, 'New Order: Decades' offers a rare chance to enter the band's private world, understand the visual philosophy of their aesthetic and design, and witness their collaborative, creative processes first hand. The full-length New Order and Joy Division song performances featured in the film - captured from the spectacular concert, designed by Gillick and augmented by the synth orchestra - look and sound simply incredible. They also serve as a perfect cross section of the musical journey the band have undertaken in their incredible career over the last four decades, and the perfect soundtrack to this very special film. New Order: Decades A film by Mike Christie Featuring ∑(No,12k,Lg,17Mif) New Order + Liam Gillick: So it goes.. Commissioned by Manchester International Festival, OGR Torino and Wiener Festwochen.

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perspexorange		#5 Posted : 13 August 2018 10:46:46(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		Looking at a couple of bits quoted above (namely "Part concert, part documentary" and "The full-length New Order and Joy Division song performances featured in the film...") seem to point to it being only a few songs. I can't imagine that the programme would be long enough to include both a documentary and a 1h30m (or so) gig. If we assume that the programme is 1:30 - 2:00 long, there might be a chance of 6-8 songs, with documentary bits intertwined. I guess there's always a chance that, once shown on TV, it might get a DVD/BD release in an expanded format (like the NewOrderStory was). It would be a shame to have this footage completely filmed but only partly released.

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Fotzepolitic		#6 Posted : 13 August 2018 13:36:48(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,660 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		On the NME website the article about has a Sky Arts tweet with a trailer. NME Article

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perspexorange		#7 Posted : 13 August 2018 15:58:09(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		Thanks Fotz. Looks pretty good. Roll on the 22nd.

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Michael Monkhouse		#8 Posted : 20 August 2018 02:58:17(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		http://forums.neworderon...sts&t=4453#post28162 This might be worthwhile if it picks up after Republic. Those years have been covered 76709674534 times (I counted) and there can't be any fan who doesn't know them backwards by now. Ashes of Joy Division, REALLY?

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Andy		#9 Posted : 20 August 2018 04:44:44(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,223 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1662 times Was thanked: 3351 time(s) in 2242 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4453#post28162 This might be worthwhile if it picks up after Republic. Those years have been covered 76709674534 times (I counted) and there can't be any fan who doesn't know them backwards by now. Ashes of Joy Division, REALLY? From the original post: "Part concert, part documentary, this film follows the band’s preparations in the re-staging of their acclaimed collaboration So It Goes.. with the artist Liam Gillick and the 12-piece synthesiser orchestra that spectacularly captured the headlines during Manchester International Festival 2017." Something must have been affecting your reading (Mel C)omprehension.
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Michael Monkhouse		#10 Posted : 20 August 2018 05:09:11(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Thanks, but don't make jokes about Melanie C. 'This is a band that rarely looks backwards.' This one always cracks me up. First single JD covers 7", 12", rereleased 12", Record Day JD versions rerelease Still Rereleased JD first Peel Session 12" 1, Peel session 12" 2, Peel Sessions LP, rereleased LP in new cover, included in Complete BBC Sessions Substance 87 Atmosphere 88, Substance 88; Blue Monday 88 London reissues 93; 'NOStory' DVD, Radio 1 and MTV retros; London remix Spooky when the band aren't even talking to each other True Faith-94, Best Of 1963-95, Blue Monday-95, Rest Of, Love Will Tear Us Apart-95, Permanent Everything's Gone Green Advent Video 586 Heart and Soul Remastered Preston live, Bains Douches live, Fractured Box (Preston live and Bains Douches live), Re Fractured Box (including Preston live, Les Bains Douches live so Fractured Box) International, Retro 12" x 12" Best remixes (didital) Singles 2005, Singles 2016 Best of Electronic JD CD remasters; JD DVD interviews The Best Of JD 2008 2009 fucked up NO remasters, 'corrected' remasters, remastered again in 2015 Total + / - JD CD remasters remastered for vinyl LTM resissue Revenge and both Other Two LPs (all three crap in the first place) Current projects, three years on from last 'un: revisiting a JD track, and possibly a fourth box set How do they do it? What's their secret? I guess we'll never know. Edited by user 27 August 2018 02:59:56(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#11 Posted : 20 August 2018 11:29:03(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4453#post28162 This might be worthwhile if it picks up after Republic. Those years have been covered 76709674534 times (I counted) and there can't be any fan who doesn't know them backwards by now. Ashes of Joy Division, REALLY? Well, I can kind of see your point in that journalists often do go over the same ground. But, I'll ask you this question. How weird would it be if they didn't mention Joy Division? You know, something along the lines of 'New Order were formed by three guys and a girl from the North West of England in 1980' and leave it at that. Absolutely no mention of JD whatsoever. Like they never happened. You'd be a bit surprised, wouldn't you? You'd also think there was a case of sloppy research having been done. Additionally, it would hardly be a documentary about the band without some mention of JD. It would be like having a documentary about Lynyrd Skynyrd and never mentioning the plane crash. I'm guessing that the documentary will be mainly about the MiF gigs, but you still need a point of reference for the band; some idea of their history. After all, it's not just us 'fans' who may be watching. And, even if everyone watching it is aware of JD / Ian, it's still an interesting and important part of the band's history. Something to make the viewer more invested in the documentary. Spice it up a bit, if you like...

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Rorschach		#12 Posted : 21 August 2018 00:59:01(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 268 Location: Salford Thanks: 610 times Was thanked: 394 time(s) in 266 post(s)		No mention of the MiF gigs can be made without reference to the significance of the location. It's all about how such references are made. I can still remember exactly where I was & who I was with when I was first told how 'this great new band I've just discovered' in 1987 had in fact been a different band until... well, you know the story.

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Michael Monkhouse		#13 Posted : 21 August 2018 01:20:12(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse But, I'll ask you this question. How weird would it be if they didn't mention Joy Division? You know, something along the lines of 'New Order were formed by three guys and a girl from the North West of England in 1980' and leave it at that. Absolutely no mention of JD whatsoever. Like they never happened. Fair point. It still tickles me though - most fans have been listening since the 80s. Big scoop.

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perspexorange		#14 Posted : 21 August 2018 09:21:04(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Rorschach No mention of the MiF gigs can be made without reference to the significance of the location. It's all about how such references are made. I can still remember exactly where I was & who I was with when I was first told how 'this great new band I've just discovered' in 1987 had in fact been a different band until... well, you know the story. This. Exactly. Me too. I was discussing this recently with someone. I would say that a fair proportion of my love for the band comes from their history. Not as much as their music obviously, but it adds that additional depth. If you compare them to any of my other favourite bands (Depeche Mode, The Chameleons, The Comsat Angels, The Smiths etc.), New Order are just 'more'. The bands I've listed, much as I love their music, they don't really have anything else to offer. Their history is pretty much summed up along the lines of 'school friends get together, form a band, make some music, split up / founder member leaves'. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it doesn't really make for very interesting reading / watching etc. New Order have the whole Joy Division / Ian episode, Factory Records (and it's impact on British music and Manchester), The Haçienda (ditto), Saville's sleeves, non-promotion of themselves and their records (during the glory days) etc. There's so much more to this band. Hence why I never get bored of reading books about them, watching interviews and documentaries on them etc. I love Depeche (circa 1984-1993 to be specific) but, really, I can't imagine wanting to read too many books about them. They've made great music but apart from Clarke and Wilder leaving and Dave's near-death drug overdose, they're a fairly ordinary band that haven't really set the world alight in their other endeavours (i.e. outside of the actual songs recorded). Mute were great but they weren't Factory and they didn't seem to have the same sort of 'anything goes' attitude of Factory. Mute also promoted the Hell out of DM (Chegger's Plays Pop and Wogan appearances anyone?). However great Mute were, in comparison with the cavalier attitude of Factory and their crazy and wonderful ideas, they were very much like a normal record label. I now feel kind of dirty having slagged off DM, as I'm a big fan. I do love them. They just didn't bring as much to the party as JD/NO. To use a cliched rock metaphor, New Order's amps really did go to 11. So, I say embrace that history. It's part of what makes the band so special.

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Michael Monkhouse		#15 Posted : 24 August 2018 03:45:03(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		That's what winds me up! So much talk, not enough music. I am a glass half-empty kinda guy.

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Michael Monkhouse		#16 Posted : 24 August 2018 04:49:52(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Rorschach I can still remember exactly where I was & who I was with when I was first told how 'this great new band I've just discovered' in 1987 had in fact been a different band until... well, you know the story. No I don't. I love the way that orgasming narrator on NOStory points it out like a revealation: 'aaaanoooooootttthhhherr band'. Does anyone actually like that voice? For me it was Round and Round on TOTP. The Pet Shop Boys had always gone on about them so I was already curious. Not gay. Edited by user 24 August 2018 04:50:32(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Fotzepolitic		#17 Posted : 24 August 2018 16:40:40(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,660 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		First became aware of em when i saw them do Blue Monday on TOTP, March 1983.Thought they were bloody awful.That all changed later though.

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Michael Monkhouse		#18 Posted : 02 September 2018 08:16:13(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		The start of a life-long relationship... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMKJNJoGxo In retrospect, it was mainly just hype. The quality and quantity of songs wasn't really up to it. At least it wasn't as bad as this. What was I on back then?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_DtlEVpudw

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Fotzepolitic		#19 Posted : 05 September 2018 08:35:59(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,660 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Read something about the doc will be shown this weekend at Festival no 6. 1pm til 2.10 pm on one of the days. So the doc is not much more than an hour long? Thought it’d be 1.1/2 to 2 hours but probably it’ll be 1.1/2 hours air time but 20 minutes of that will be frickin ad breaks so 70 minutes of the actual doc. Edited by user 05 September 2018 09:47:01(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#20 Posted : 05 September 2018 12:50:10(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		Well that's a bit disappointing. Was kind of hoping for at least 1:30 of material, maybe 2 hours. I suppose there's a possibility that an expanded version may get released on DVD / BD, a la NewOrderStory. It would be nice to get a disc with a longer documentary + a complete MiF gig.

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The Japanese One		#21 Posted : 08 September 2018 01:51:32(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 06/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 71 Location: Between Osaka and Manchester Thanks: 71 times Was thanked: 162 time(s) in 71 post(s)		I am attending Festival No.6 right now. The timetable on the official app is wrong, the program should be 1:00-2:40pm. I couldn’t catch the first 50mins though, it was the first day of the fest and the logistics didn’t allow me to get there in time alas. I saw the second half of the doc, that contained the Vienna and Turin scenes — I assume the first half contained the MIF scenes. The performed numbers in the part I saw are Subculture, Your Silent Face and Decades. Lots of interviews with band members, Joe Daddell, Liam Gillick and the RNCM students who played synths, as well as some key persons surrounding the band, Peter Seville, Dave Haslam, John Savage et al. Some really interesting rehearsal and behind-the-scenes footage there. A great doc (even if judging from the part I managed) never to be missed. After the screening, Stephen and Gillian (re)appeared on stage — they had also done before the screening, apparently. To the question about the collaboration with the synth ensemble , “Will you do it again?”, Gillian replied, “It’s unlikely...” The audience gave a collective sigh of disappointment, “Oh...” Gillian hastily added, “But you never know.”

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Michael Monkhouse		#22 Posted : 08 September 2018 02:12:24(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		Originally Posted by: The Japanese One Gillian replied, “It’s unlikely...” The audience gave a collective sigh of disappointment, “Oh...” Gillian hastily added, “But you never know.” So eloquent. You can see she's been in the spotlight for 40 years. Anyone remember Bernard on Star Test? 'Everyone's rebels... Everyone's rebels.'

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Fotzepolitic		#23 Posted : 08 September 2018 02:12:59(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,660 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Thanks for that, Japanese One.Sounds great.Encouraging to learn it's longer than that incorrect 70 min information.

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perspexorange		#24 Posted : 09 September 2018 07:04:39(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,392 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3875 time(s) in 2391 post(s)		Originally Posted by: The Japanese One I am attending Festival No.6 right now. The timetable on the official app is wrong, the program should be 1:00-2:40pm. I couldn’t catch the first 50mins though, it was the first day of the fest and the logistics didn’t allow me to get there in time alas. I saw the second half of the doc, that contained the Vienna and Turin scenes — I assume the first half contained the MIF scenes. The performed numbers in the part I saw are Subculture, Your Silent Face and Decades. Lots of interviews with band members, Joe Daddell, Liam Gillick and the RNCM students who played synths, as well as some key persons surrounding the band, Peter Seville, Dave Haslam, John Savage et al. Some really interesting rehearsal and behind-the-scenes footage there. A great doc (even if judging from the part I managed) never to be missed. After the screening, Stephen and Gillian (re)appeared on stage — they had also done before the screening, apparently. To the question about the collaboration with the synth ensemble , “Will you do it again?”, Gillian replied, “It’s unlikely...” The audience gave a collective sigh of disappointment, “Oh...” Gillian hastily added, “But you never know.” This is very heartening. Can't wait to see this now. Incidentally, I was in Portmeirion on Friday for different reasons. I'm a massive fan of The Prisoner, with it being my favourite TV show of all time (easily). I've been watching a lot of it recently and thought to myself that I'd take a trip to Portmeirion, as I hadn't been there for years. Stupidly, I completely forgot that 'Festival No. 6' was on and, when I got there, it was (obviously) closed to the general public. A four hour drive (round trip) for nothing. The one weekend of the year when the village is closed and I happened to pick that very weekend to drive all the way there. It's my own fault. Can't believe that after talking about it on this thread, the festival completely slipped my mind. Even more annoying was that I was even going to ring up beforehand to book a table in one of the restaurants, but decided against it. If I had of done, I'd have saved myself the wasted journey. I'm either too old or too foolish. Probably both.

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The Japanese One		#25 Posted : 10 September 2018 01:27:15(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 06/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 71 Location: Between Osaka and Manchester Thanks: 71 times Was thanked: 162 time(s) in 71 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange I'm a massive fan of The Prisoner, with it being my favourite TV show of all time (easily). Ditto. When it was broadcasted in Japan for the first time in the Spring of 1969 (one and a half year after its original airing in Britain — things took a long time in those days), The Prisoner gave a huge impact on me as a young boy, one that has lasted to this day. I had since dreamt of visiting Portmeirion, “The Village”, for a long long time. The news that New Order would play as the Sunday grand headliner of the first FN6 in 2012 was therefore an icing on the cake for me. They took the stage with The Prisoner’s theme, instead of the usual one, played for the introduction on the background. The male members wore the iconic Patrick MaGoohan/No.6 black blazer with white lines along the lapel except Gillian who was in green cape and a hat, the Villager women’s costume in the drama. And all of them pinned a badge with a number on it on their chest! For the encore, a number of “the rovers” were unleashed to the crowd, bouncing over their heads during LWTUA — a tradition that have since continued for the festival’s Sunday closing headliner every year. Definitely one of the most bizarre, quirky performances in their entire career. Sadly this year’s FN6 is announced to be the last one, the organizers find it unsustainable to run. Last night headliner Franz Ferdinand’s Alex Kapranos turned up in No.6 blazer on stage. On one occasion he uttered the word, “l need INFORMATION.” When their set was over, The Prisoner’s theme was played through the PA speakers in full blast, sending off the festival attendees back home. All of this gave me a sense of full circle completed. Hopefully “Be seeing you” again.

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