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#51 Posted : 23 September 2018 06:18:23(UTC)
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I can only echo what others have said a brilliant documentary. Let’s hope that the band now force themselves back in the studio next year for at least an ep of tracks for late in 2019? Nice to hear Barney praise Hooky.
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#52 Posted : 23 September 2018 10:21:07(UTC)
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I'm sure our friends overseas will appreciate it.




... this friend from overseas will definitely appreciate it! Smile
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#53 Posted : 23 September 2018 11:24:47(UTC)
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Brilliant how it starts with tentative beginning with the intro to Elegia.You just know from there it's going to be an amazing film.Some great humour from Steve and Bernard, mind boggling explanations of how the shows were all put together that even stretched technological wizard Steve to the point of almost "biting off more than he can chew", the songs shown were captured fantastically with a real catchy energy coming from the students playing behind the slats, great shots of Bernard exploring Vienna.... i could go on.I just can't get my head round how complicated and difficult it must have been to put the shows together. The film really gathers momentum in the final stretch, culminating at the end with the performance of Decades in Vienna.Just wow.
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#54 Posted : 23 September 2018 14:02:06(UTC)
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Just watched on catchup. Really good insight into how it was all put together with some nice dry humour from Bernard & Steve.

I'm sure one person may be sitting silently fuming although they did get some screen time and a mention.
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#55 Posted : 24 September 2018 05:29:38(UTC)
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Fantastic. Utterly fantastic.

Nice to see so many of the RNCM students getting a bit of time in front of the camera too - can you just imagine signing up for this with an 'unspecified major band' and walking into the room and seeing the human drum machine sat there like that? (And nice to put a face to the lively silhouette that was No.12.)

Finishing on Decades and the outro to Vanishing Point over the end credits - jebus that was good.

The gigs' recordings must be put together and released. Take my money.
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#56 Posted : 24 September 2018 10:59:34(UTC)
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Would love an upload of this, if possible!
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#57 Posted : 24 September 2018 13:59:54(UTC)
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Would love an upload of this, if possible!


x2 please Hi

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#58 Posted : 24 September 2018 19:44:18(UTC)
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Would love an upload of this, if possible!


x2 please Hi



X3 please
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#59 Posted : 25 September 2018 07:29:09(UTC)
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I'd love to see this before heading to Long Beach to see NO on Saturday night. Can anyone in the UK share? Pretty please??

- Jeb
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#60 Posted : 26 September 2018 11:53:33(UTC)
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That is an absolutely wonderful doc! It almost makes up for how ridiculous the narration in New Order Story is.

I'd love to see a box set with CD, LP, and a DVD containing a full live performance, along with the documentary. TAKE MY MONEY.
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#61 Posted : 26 September 2018 13:20:38(UTC)
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I'd love to see this before heading to Long Beach to see NO on Saturday night. Can anyone in the UK share? Pretty please??

- Jeb


Did you find it on a torrent site or receive it from a member? I've been searching in vain.

See in you in Long Beach!
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#62 Posted : 26 September 2018 14:00:35(UTC)
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That is an absolutely wonderful doc! It almost makes up for how ridiculous the narration in New Order Story is.

I'd love to see a box set with CD, LP, and a DVD containing a full live performance, along with the documentary. TAKE MY MONEY.


May I ask how you were able to finally watch the documentary? I'm still searching in vain, and I'd love to see it too before the upcoming gig. Thank you.
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#63 Posted : 26 September 2018 14:59:47(UTC)
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A member in this thread shared it with me. I'm sure he's monitoring for requests.
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#64 Posted : 26 September 2018 15:20:38(UTC)
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If a UK member could share the documentary with me, it would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
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#65 Posted : 27 September 2018 08:43:58(UTC)
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Absolutely wonderful. One of the best music documentaries I've ever seen. A worthy tribute to an incredible band and the difficult project that was undertaken.

Just a few notes that came to mind whilst watching the documentary:

1) Wonderful to see Disorder played in the studio, however short this clip was.

2) I wonder why the archive footage (Granada Reports, The Perfect Kiss video, Blue Monday 1988 video etc.) was so poor. Surely they could've sourced higher quality clips? The Shadowplay footage was in a terrible state, quality-wise. It looked like it had been taken off the 'Substance 1977-1988' promo video that's been bootlegged numerous times.

3) Nice to see Bernard with a Gibson Les Paul Special 'Double-Cut' in the studio, as well as his usual SG. I don't think I've seen him play one since about 1982.

4) The interviews / footage with the students were great. Really interesting to see the process for the project and also to see how this band are still affecting young people today.

5) Steve being Steve. What a joy the guy is. Charming, witty and wonderful to hear him talk about the project. I seriously can't wait to read his book. Hopefully it doesn't get delayed any further.

6) Bernard being thoughtful enough to mention other people's significant contribution to the band - Tom coming into his own on Music Complete, most of the hard-work of the project being done by Steve etc. Hooky has portrayed Barney as a bit of a prima donna / glory-hunter in his books. To me, he never comes across as such in interviews; always willing to give credit to the other members of the band. Which brings me nicely onto -

7) Hooky's presence, or lack there of. As the documentary was on the 'So It Goes' gigs, it was relatively easy to side-step the Viking elephant in the room. However, it was very nice to hear Sumner's (genuine) praise for the 'previous Bass'. 'Great', according to Sumner. Yes, it was. Truly.

8) Although the choice of tracks played was great, I'd have loved to hear some of the more guitary ones (Dream Attack etc.). Also, Barney needs a guitar hung around his neck. If only to stop him doing that 'Jamiroquai dance thing' he seems to have introduced into his performances. Wink

9) Barney's vocals sounded pretty great throughout.

10) 'Decades' (the song) was awesome. A truly memorable way to end both the gigs and the documentary.

Anyway, those were some of my thoughts. I may post others once I've had time to digest.

A magnificent documentary and one that I'm hoping gets an official Blu-Ray release. It needs to be properly preserved.
With any luck, if they do release it, they'll include either an extended cut and/or the full gig as an extra. Fingers crossed.
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#66 Posted : 27 September 2018 08:46:54(UTC)
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Wow - finally managed to post my thoughts on the documentary without it being rejected as Spam.

It seems it didn't like me abbreviating The Perfect Kiss or Blue Monday 1988. Once I got rid of the abbreviations, the post went through fine. Maybe the board looks for words that aren't English and rejects the whole post as Spam.
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#67 Posted : 27 September 2018 23:48:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
Did you find it on a torrent site or receive it from a member? I've been searching in vain.

See in you in Long Beach!


I'm drawing blanks too, and I live in the UK! If anyone is feeling generous enough to share a PM I'd much appreciate it. If it isn't already in torrent form then one of my first duties would be to make that come to pass.

And since I don't like to post pure begging posts, I'd better write something else:

I'm really really pleased that both the band and Sky Arts (and everyone else involved) felt this whole project was worth doing in the first place, but also worth revisiting and documenting as they have done. It's been a bit quiet since Music Complete (which was really solid IMHO) in other respects, and with ShadowParty appearing I started to wonder again if NO was sliding into hiatus.

Edit: kindly supplied with an SD copy, thanks anonymous benefactor! :) I'm still on the hunt for an HD copy. Going to ask my 'rents to record the HD repeat tonight, and if they do, I will see if I can extract a copy from them.

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#68 Posted : 28 September 2018 15:03:14(UTC)
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Really hope the set gets an audio release. I was not really all that impressed hearing a few tracks on YouTube etc after the shows but after watching and hearing this, wow...KW1 and Decades just glisten don't they?
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#69 Posted : 03 October 2018 17:58:09(UTC)
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I'd also love and much appreciate a link to this --- been checking torrents etc and no dice

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#70 Posted : 04 October 2018 05:38:37(UTC)
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Someone’s bitter and jealous

“People were always complaining about the amount of synths we used”

Erm, who ever complained about the amount of synths? Don’t recall that. Odd thing to say.

“I’m not a big fan of fiction,me “

But you love talking fiction, Peter.

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#71 Posted : 04 October 2018 10:32:11(UTC)
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Someone’s bitter and jealous

“People were always complaining about the amount of synths we used”

Erm, who ever complained about the amount of synths? Don’t recall that. Odd thing to say.

“I’m not a big fan of fiction,me “

But you love talking fiction, Peter.


The only person I ever recall complaining about the amount of synths used was Hook himself. I don't remember any fans EVER saying that in the 30+ years that I've been following the band.

If we New Order fans didn't want synths, we'd be listening to The Smiths or The Stones Roses or something. Not sitting around complaining about how a band famed for their innovative use of synths were using too many of them.

I also don't know how he can judge it's fiction without seeing it (if you can believe that he didn't sneak a peek at the documentary, that is!).

If he had've watched it, he would've seen that it was an honest documentary that didn't focus too much on the past (as that wasn't what the doc was about).

He would've also seen that, on one of the rare occasions when it did revisit the past, his oldest friend say that the 'previous bass' was 'great!'. A comment that he really didn't have to say and, given the amount of horrible comments made towards him and Gillian, was surprising (but pleasant) to hear Barney come out with. I'm guessing that Hooky wouldn't class that comment as 'fiction'. If he'd heard it, I mean. Wink

He does come across as a rather bitter man at times.
I was thinking recently that, since the court case, he seems to have mellowed a bit, but this article shows that he still has a grudge.

I'm not sure why he can't just focus on his tour. I guess it's partly the fault of the NME asking him such a loaded question (looking for soundbites etc.). However, the gentlemanly thing to do would be to say something along the lines of:

'I haven't seen it. Was it any good?' if he wanted to be a bit obtuse and non-committal; or even
'I wish the rest of the band the best of luck for the future' if he wanted to come across as the bigger man and someone who had moved on.

I guess he's happy for us all to know just how much it pisses him off that New Order are doing very well without him and also trying to do new things (a 'return to form' LP and the magnificent 'So It Goes' gigs). Personally, if it was me, I wouldn't want the others to know how much it still hurts.

Reading the above back to me, I sound like I have a downer on Hooky.
I really don't. I love his work with JD/NO and fully appreciate his ample contribution to both bands.
I hope his tour is a success. I won't be going myself, but will be checking out the tour by buying on PledgeMusic. Also, if he decides to write some new songs, I will certainly buy them and give them a good listen.

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#72 Posted : 04 October 2018 11:20:43(UTC)
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Someone’s bitter and jealous
“I’m not a big fan of fiction,me “


On the one hand, I'm not reallly surprised.

On the other hand:



Looking forward to that fiction novel he said he had an idea for, a while back.
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#73 Posted : 04 October 2018 13:43:36(UTC)
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This is great quality. Thanks for the upload.

Not wishing to sound critical or anything, but the sound looks slightly out of sync. Check Steve saying about how much he likes being in bed at around the 10:20 mark.

Is anybody able to sync things up so that picture and sound match, then re-upload?
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#75 Posted : 05 October 2018 07:22:45(UTC)
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^ Ok, the quality of this upload/download is very good. But be careful on this DL link folks; it's one of the trickier ones I've encountered.
If your internet browser says the DL may be suspicious, you've hit the wrong DL "button" - abort!. You may have to close multiple popups. Make sure your virus protect/security is on, though you may have to switch ad-blocker off.
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