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Deceiver  
#151 Posted : 10 August 2017 13:13:25(UTC)
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No doubt Spooky is a good track, but I have one problem with it - I hate the name - seems so childish and irrelevant to the song, especially with the vocoded voice at the beginning. Hooky's bass may only be on the track for a short time, but it's very effective leading up into the chorus. The remix they released as a single sounds good and with a bit more bass going on - it's a different experience to the album version, like all good remixes.

Everyone Everywhere is one of my favourite New Order songs. It's the band at their melancholic best. Actually, this song could easily have fitted on Technique, except for I can't help thinking Bernard's brilliant lyrics are a sad tribute to the disbanding band - which makes it very Republic...
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#152 Posted : 10 August 2017 15:14:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Deceiver Go to Quoted Post
No doubt Spooky is a good track, but I have one problem with it - I hate the name - seems so childish and irrelevant

I think the title is playful. The only problem I have with Spooky is that's it's not a very good tune. Much more important to me.

Originally Posted by: Deceiver Go to Quoted Post
especially with the vocoded voice at the beginning.


Taken from this (0.19)


I thought Mr Remmer might give it a mention. I suppose he still could if he wanted....


Listening to the first few seconds (0.07) of Bass Mechanic now has me thinking of... BM '88.
A non-regular forumite came here around April/May last year asking what the (sped up sounding) female voice was on BM '88. He thought it might have been from an old 1950's TV show.
I can't find the thread now. I wonder if the thread-starter subsequently deleted it?
At the time I suggested it was either French, "on y va" (which got poo poo'd by a French forumite) or "Oliver, Oliver...".

Now listen again to the first few seconds of the above track. Is this the source of that BM '88 voice? Bass Mechanic came out in '86.

(If it is, that still leaves the bit that sounds like "get down ...and get down" as a mystery, I think)



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#153 Posted : 10 August 2017 15:40:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post

I thought Mr Remmer might give it a mention. I suppose he still could if he wanted....


Having others fill info-gaps in my reviews actually gives me warm fuzzies.

Thanks for this one...

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#154 Posted : 11 August 2017 01:06:53(UTC)
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Maybe it used to be called Techno 2...? https://www.mdmarchive.c...ORDER_PRESS_ARTICLE_1993
Mind you, a shit song's a shit song. Who cares about the name?
Stephen Moggies once said Regret, Special and Everyone Everywhere werethe first they worked on - also the only ones played live apart from the singles. Maybe Republic started as a decent NO LP but degenerated as they didn't get on and poptastic Hague and Barney took over. Who knows? Who cares? It's shit.
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#155 Posted : 11 August 2017 01:08:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Deceiver Go to Quoted Post

Everyone Everywhere could easily have fitted on Technique.


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No.
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Dennis Remmer  
#156 Posted : 11 August 2017 02:28:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
Maybe it used to be called Techno 2...? https://www.mdmarchive.c...ORDER_PRESS_ARTICLE_1993


Interesting clipping.

"Own 'Manchester' label" ???

"Mixed Regrets" ???

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#157 Posted : 11 August 2017 02:58:23(UTC)
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Yeah! It's a nostalgia thing cos I used to collect things like a little twot. Now I'm Big Twot. I had a theory Techno 2 was actually Spooky. That's how much fun I was having back then.
There was a little talk about the label at http://forums.neworderon...ts&t=2666#post16444.

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#158 Posted : 11 August 2017 03:41:29(UTC)
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its working title was 'Spooky One'.

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Michael Monkhouse  
#159 Posted : 11 August 2017 07:23:10(UTC)
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Hours of fun.
http://www.new-order.net.../facs/workingtitles.html
http://imgur.com/zWAQY0J
I'm convinced chatting about New Order is more interesting than listening to them.
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#160 Posted : 11 August 2017 09:43:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
Maybe it used to be called Techno 2...? https://www.mdmarchive.c...ORDER_PRESS_ARTICLE_1993
Mind you, a shit song's a shit song. Who cares about the name?
Stephen Moggies once said Regret, Special and Everyone Everywhere werethe first they worked on - also the only ones played live apart from the singles. Maybe Republic started as a decent NO LP but degenerated as they didn't get on and poptastic Hague and Barney took over. Who knows? Who cares? It's shit.


It was always my understanding that Regret and Young Offender were the first tracks as Pascal Gabriel is credited with the "pre-production" before they brought Hague in.

I think Young Offender is one of the better tracks and thought it was being considered for single release as there was a Young Offender t-shirt sold at US shows.
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#161 Posted : 12 August 2017 00:58:21(UTC)
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In mid-92 the Hookster said the new album, which was proving 'difficunt', would show a much harder side to the band, and he namechecked Ev Ev. This, plus what I wrote above re Steve and the gigs, gave me the impression Republic started as a classic NO LP but turned into pube-in-the-sink as (a) they weren't up for it and (b) Hague and Bernard took over. I can't offer any insights - just a theory I had.
Liar is well fuckin' hard, innit?Sounds like Slipknot to me.
I can't believe how many times I've talked about Republic when I don't even like it. I guess a guy needs a hobby.
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#162 Posted : 12 August 2017 01:04:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post

I think Young Offender is one of the better tracks and thought it was being considered for single release as there was a Young Offender t-shirt sold at US shows.


There's something painfully lacking in Young Offender and like the G-spot, I just can't put my finger on it. It SHOULD be up there with Round and Round - synth stabs, emotive lyrics, crisp beats, even a lot of Hooky by Hague's standards - but it just, I dunno, isn't. It never really takes off the way it should do, and this time I can't blame Hague. Sum of the parts and all that.

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#163 Posted : 12 August 2017 08:06:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post

I can't believe how many times I've talked about Republic when I don't even like it. I guess a guy needs a hobby.


I was thinking Republic is really hated by fans on this forum - and then I realised it was just you saying its shit over and over again! I thought Mel C was your, er... hobby... Wink

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#164 Posted : 13 August 2017 00:35:22(UTC)
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And they say the Germans have no sense of humour. https://boldomatic.com/view/post/l72Dew
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#165 Posted : 16 August 2017 13:38:11(UTC)
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Dug out one of the Spooky CDs i have.It has "Z New Order Release" on the front and indeed when you open up the case it opens out in a Z shape.Is that the idea/joke? Or the Z was noting the fact it was the last release of the Republic era, the last letter.Whatevs.
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#166 Posted : 17 August 2017 01:23:01(UTC)
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Hours of fun.
Today is 17 - 8 - 17. If you take those elements and read them backwards, it still says 17 - 8 - 17. So why do it?

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#167 Posted : 17 August 2017 02:28:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Go to Quoted Post
Dug out one of the Spooky CDs i have.It has "Z New Order Release" on the front and indeed when you open up the case it opens out in a Z shape.Is that the idea/joke? Or the Z was noting the fact it was the last release of the Republic era, the last letter.Whatevs.


I thought it might have simply been a typo that slipped through the net. Z being just below A on a QWERTY keyboard. Perhaps one of our super-knowledgable fellow forumites knows the truth (Mr James for instance)?

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Hours of fun.
Today is 17 - 8 - 17. If you take those elements and read them backwards, it still says 17 - 8 17. So why do it?


When I read it backwards I get 71 - 8 - 71. Just sayin...
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#168 Posted : 17 August 2017 02:46:34(UTC)
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Getting a bit ahead here but on a Republic theme...

If only Times Change had always been a stonking instrumental.


That's what I thought when I heard the nstrumental on Saturday


Wait, what? Where do I hear this?



Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post
We went off-piste a bit there didn't we...

Regret & World reviews now up...


Did anyone miss the Blade Runner v New Order thread on the French forum?
I guess this could almost be in New Order spotting, except it's kinda the wrong way round...

blade runner off world
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#169 Posted : 17 August 2017 04:02:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post

I think the title is playful.


Hours more fun. These Mancs always crack me up. 0.27 - 0.30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVxsH8woZSQ

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#170 Posted : 17 August 2017 04:07:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
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When I read it backwards I get 71 - 8 - 71. Just sayin...


Did you know that if you look at a black and white photo of Ian Curtis for 35 minutes and then turn ypur gaze directly to a blank surface opposite - you need a hobby.
I always thought the Z was just an alternative to the usual A. I wouldn't read too much into it, but that's what New Order fans seem to like doing... It can't be a typo cos it was on a press ad as 'Limited Edition (I think) Z CD part 2'. The band had bugger all to do with it anyway - it was just London squeezing maximum return from their dodgy investment.

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#171 Posted : 19 August 2017 03:57:35(UTC)
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Late follow-up but I also had a RIAD 'Phased and Dazed' mix on https://www.discogs.com/...he-Remix/release/7706942 - boy, did it suck! At least the Bogle mixes added something new - this just whoosed the original in and out. To add incest to injury, this was pre Bubetube so I'd shelled out for the full length CD just for four trax: this piece of poo - an acceptable but innessential 'Paradise' mix - a 'Sister Ray' Oz's Live 'n' Dangerous (actually live so worthwhile though I don't know from which gig) - and a BM Disco Only Club Mix (sounded like Beach Buggy on speed). No wonder I gave up being a collector.
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#172 Posted : 19 August 2017 12:22:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: The Shadow Go to Quoted Post
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Getting a bit ahead here but on a Republic theme...

If only Times Change had always been a stonking instrumental.


That's what I thought when I heard the nstrumental on Saturday


Wait, what? Where do I hear this?




Snippet only here:

MIF17

Would pay realcashmoney for the full rendition!

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#173 Posted : 20 August 2017 04:04:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
Late follow-up but I also had a RIAD 'Phased and Dazed' mix on https://www.discogs.com/...he-Remix/release/7706942 - boy, did it suck! At least the Bogle mixes added something new - this just whoosed the original in and out. To add incest to injury, this was pre Bubetube so I'd shelled out for the full length CD just for four trax: this piece of poo - an acceptable but innessential 'Paradise' mix - a 'Sister Ray' Oz's Live 'n' Dangerous (actually live so worthwhile though I don't know from which gig) - and a BM Disco Only Club Mix (sounded like Beach Buggy on speed). No wonder I gave up being a collector.


I bought this bootleg too.

The only thing really good about it was, in my opinion, the inclusion of the soundtrack versions of True Faith, Temptation and BLT, which were difficult to get at the time. All three are pretty good and the Hague version of BLT, included on the Married To The Mob soundtrack, is probably my favourite version of the song.
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#174 Posted : 20 August 2017 23:26:21(UTC)
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Hague's BLT (OST and pretty much '94) would be my favourite take but he stoopidly loses part of the second instrumental break. In the words of Annie Lennox, WWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? So I gotta stick with the Brotherhood version.
Shit Poooperboned fucked it up too, especially on the Hookless poptastic 12". His TF take is also sadly dated. In the 80s he was a bit of a prostitute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shep_Pettibone#Selected_remixing_credits) - in fact, the opposite of a prostitute: he'd do anything EXCEPT sex.
There was rumoured to be a Pet Shop Boys TF remix but links tended to go straight to Old Shep's. The confusion probably arose cos of Shep's Pets link or cos the Pets sometimes DJed and were / are big NO fans. Given the high profile of both acts, I'm sure if such a track did exist it'd be all over the Net by now.

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I still really like Shep's New Order mixes.
I find it really difficult to criticise any of the NO mixes from the 80s, due to some of the terrible remixes we've had since that decade (RIAD CD2, I'm looking at you).
The 80s, for me, was the golden age of remixing. New Order, PSBs, DM all had some great mixes.
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