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Dennis Remmer  
#201 Posted : 03 October 2017 19:42:19(UTC)
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Special + Avalanche reviews posted.

Republic done. Took a while to think about it.







On a side note... The Light are currently downunder - catching their Substance(s) gig this Sunday night. Makes me think how Hooky's going to handle Avalanche when he gets around to touring Republic? 'Faith' repeated in a low growl? erm...

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Glad that's over.
Nostalgia? Ah yes. Fine memories of sitting in my bedroom with no friends at all, let alone a female one, translating Latin, jerking of to any image with a billigram of womanhood therein cos I didn't have the guts to get any proper porn and shitting my pants cos I knew I was gonna get my face shoved down the toliet at school next day (they were tough, our teachers).
Avalanche is graceful, dreamy and totally pointless. Still, one word is 53 more than Gillian is usually capable of.
The Light should tour Too Crazy Cowboys with Mel C.

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Love Avalanche, my only complaint is it's too short. It may be mostly an "Other Two track" but I don't care, I'm sure thare are plenty of tracks that are primarily Barney tracks, but we don't complain. If there turned out to be a longer version of this (a la Elegia - although maybe not that long), it might just be enough to tempt me to buy a physically reissued Republic (although if it's gonna be a box set that costs £60 - £80 like the Led Zep album box sets...maybe not).
It's the combination of cold (like the snow of an avalanche) and the warmth of the guitar (setting it off?) that makes it special. Quite often it's those ambiguous vibes that make you take notice of NO. Dancable-tracks-tinged-with-indie-misery was pretty much a genre invented by them after all.

Sooner or later someone has to use this as the bittersweet music to soundtrack the death of a movie hero; all slo-mo and tragi-heroic as he/she saves someone and loses their life in the process. Dying a beautiful, flawed death, as perhaps NO seemed to be doing at the time.



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On a side note... The Light are currently downunder - catching their Substance(s) gig this Sunday night. Makes me think how Hooky's going to handle Avalanche when he gets around to touring Republic? 'Faith' repeated in a low growl? erm...


Having seen his Movement/PCL and Low Life/Brotherhood gigs, I have actually spared a some time to think about this (sad!). He's doing the Substances as one big gig, so that leaves him with Technique + ?? up next. Ok the ?? should be Republic. BUT as the quality of albums dropped after Technique, I think he should do a "best of the rest" + Technique:
From Republic: Regret, World, RIAD, Avalanche.
From Get Ready: Crystal, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You, Here to Stay (well HTS was from that era, and it's a close second to Crystal for me).
From Sirens: Krafty, WFTSC, I Told You So, Turn.

Do the "best of the rest" tracks first , make us wait for Technique (maybe hold Regret back for the encore, especially as Hooky considers it the last proper NO song).

Also don't do any post-sirens stuff, despite previous "threats". That would be a bad idea.

As for Avalanche in particular I 'm thinking of The Beach at the Movemner/PCL gig. It was played loud but not live. It was in a gap between the end of PCL and the encore. Put it in the gap between "best of the rest" and Technique, but don't play it live. Or else do play it live but either don't sing that word, or hire a female vocalist who could sing "faith" and help out on World, Crystal & Someone Like You.

I imagine this post may attract some ire. Let's see.



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Always liked Avalanche. Used to listen to it often but not so much now. I frequently commented on the old forum years ago what a great track it is but mostly received derision and negativity in return, oddly. Years ago on the old forum someone commented the mood Avalanche evoked was very similar to the music in some famous ballet or theatre play that I can no longer remember the name of and I never heard the music anyway so couldn't offer an opinion yes or no as I never tracked down the music, frustratingly.

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#205 Posted : 06 October 2017 03:07:10(UTC)
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Hooky's album-by-album approach kinda falls apart after Technique. I can't imagine him paying 'tribute' to the BBC Peel Sessions or Live in Concert (as opposed to Dead In Concert), and the endless London rehashes didn't seem to have FA to do with the actual band, Bernard excepted. Still and Substances were different cos they were actively involved: they were interviewed for Sub 88 and rerecorded trax for Sub 87. Hooky actually said London was when they lost it with all those remixes - mind you, if he felt that badly, he might've tried to block them. I guess his bank account had something to do with it. It's amazing that between their very public pubic disbanding after Reading and the reunion they fobbed us off with 6 rewank singles (Spooky, TF, 1963, BM, LWTUA, Video 586) and 4 compilations (Best Of, Rest Of, Permawank, Fart and Holes) - yet their credibility remains.
Then there's Revenge, which even he isn't too fond of - and Freebass, well worth the 6-year wait. Monaco were good but can they guarantee a worldwide audience? Last time I saw the Light it was a crappy Italian seaside town but he had a full house playing JD's 'legendary two albums and more'. I couldn't help wondering if he'd've garnered the same reaction as ex-Revenge / Freebass member playing Republic and Waiting for The Sirens's Call.
We'll see.

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#206 Posted : 06 October 2017 03:09:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
a "best of the rest" + Technique:
From Republic: Regret, World, RIAD, Avalanche.
From Get Ready: Crystal, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You, Here to Stay (well HTS was from that era, and it's a close second to Crystal for me).
From Sirens: Krafty, WFTSC, I Told You So, Turn.

Do the "best of the rest" tracks first , make us wait for Technique (maybe hold Regret back for the encore, especially as Hooky considers it the last proper NO song).

Also don't do any post-sirens stuff, despite previous "threats". That would be a bad idea.

As for Avalanche in particular I 'm thinking of The Beach at the Movemner/PCL gig. It was played loud but not live. It was in a gap between the end of PCL and the encore. Put it in the gap between "best of the rest" and Technique, but don't play it live. Or else do play it live but either don't sing that word, or hire a female vocalist who could sing "faith" and help out on World, Crystal & Someone Like You.


This will happen.
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#207 Posted : 15 October 2017 01:35:20(UTC)
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Around Brutal I wasn't really interested. As I said before, my obsessive phase was like my mother, i.e. it ran to seed. M4P was a pleasant surprise though, and Twisted Titness started well but got a bit samey. The Other Two soppymore must be the one album from this camp I know least of all - I played it a few times and then left it in the UK, so I guess my folks will've thrown it out. Even post-Republic, there've been albums I know inside-out simply through dint of listening. I couldn't even list the tracks on Stupor Highways, let alone bring the toons to mind.
I think I was more curious than excited about 'Brutal'. It was kinda cool they were returning with a one-off rather than a full-on album and tour - if I was cynical I'd say it was a cop-out, but I am known for my positivity and enthusiasm. It certainly looks forward to Get Ready rather than back to Republic, which is a good thing for me, but we'll cross that bridge etc. Good backing vocals and lots of Hooky, but some terrible lyrics (again, more GR: think Field and its curtain, or Slow Jam and its all of it). Reminds me of Hellbent, but never mind.
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#208 Posted : 15 October 2017 02:52:52(UTC)
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Brutal was ok.Or ok-ish.It never blew your socks off on first listen like an Age Of Consent or Vanishing Point did but it did offer a glimmer of optimism that more new songs and/or an album would be in the pipeline in the next year or so.I think i first heard Brutal when Mark 'n Lard premiered it on their then Radio 1 afternoon show in about February 2000.I may have remembered that wrong though, it's a long time ago.My first thoughts were fairly positive but i agree Dennis, it is a bit ploddy but depending on my mood i can take that.I like a lot if not all the lyrics and the backing vocals and the eastern ish strings.But yeah, think it only featured quietly in the background for a few seconds in the 2 guys talking outside the beach hut scene in The Beach movie.I felt fairly sure after Brutal that NO's next album would be one of the rockiest things they'd ever done (unfortunately that meant we got Rock The Shack but Crystal and Primitive Notion are great).It seemed like waiting forever between Brutal and what turned out to be Get Ready.

How on earth did you miss the 87 Australia and New Zealand tour, Dennis? Mind you i missed the comeback gig in July 1998 at Manchester Apollo. I only became aware of it a week or two later when i stumbled across the review of it in NME.Was totally gutted, compounded by the fact i had had a week's holiday from work the week of the gig and could quite easily travelled up to Manc .Nevermind as seeing them at Reading 98 more than made up for it and was one the best nights of my life.Saw them at the Xmas 98 MEN arena gig but that wasn't one of their more memorable shows but i did see Underworld perform at that event.


The mid 90s were the wilderness years, crappy Best Of and Rest Of,various remixes, some of Monaco's Music For Pleasure was ok but i've never been a big fan of Hooky's side projects.I could just about take half Electronic's Raise The Pressure (wonder if Paul Lester ever did a review of that, maybe Michael Monkhouse could let us know if soBig Grin ) and half their Twisted Tenderness and get one half decent album i guess.Can't even remember what songs are on Twisted Tenderness, haven't listened to it for years , only vaguely remember the chorus for the title track.

I only remember The Other Two's Superhighways album standoutsbeing You Can Fly and the title track which is possibly the finest song they did apart from Selfish off the first album.

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I could just about take half Electronic's Raise The Pressure (wonder if Paul Lester ever did a review of that, maybe Michael Monkhouse could let us know if soBig Grin )


Do the words 'red flag, bull' mean anything to you?
The RTP reviews were negative, and rightly so. The only positivish one was http://www.feeleverybeat...elodymaker6july1996.jpg. I thought it was crap. Loved this one: http://www.feeleverybeat...albums/nme6july1996.jpg.
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Crikey - got to love Sumner's jacket in the first article. He looks like he left the ironing board in it when he put it on.

Michael - you may want to edit your post to remove the full stops from the end of the links. I keep getting the bloody 'FORBIDDEN!!!!' message when I click the hyperlinks. Getting rid of the '.' corrects things.
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I could just about take half Electronic's Raise The Pressure (wonder if Paul Lester ever did a review of that, maybe Michael Monkhouse could let us know if soBig Grin )


Do the words 'red flag, bull' mean anything to you?
The RTP reviews were negative, and rightly so. The only positivish one was http://www.feeleverybeat...elodymaker6july1996.jpg. I thought it was crap. Loved this one: http://www.feeleverybeat...albums/nme6july1996.jpg.


That review by Dave Simpson is the most positive review of Raise The Pressure I've ever seen. Almost makes me want to dig the album out and reevaluate it. He cirtainly has a point in there being some good melodies and even good songs buried under the layers of production. Doesn't Dave Simpson post on here from time to time? Is it the same Dave Simpson who writes for The Guardian?

The other link led me to reading again Bernard's Raise The Pressure sleeve note rant. A good rant on the state of the world and society I always thought ,

I tried to edit my earlier comment today to fix the mistake of not putting a space between two words but when I tried to submit the corrected post I got a banner come up saying my post had been detected as spam and wouldn't be posted. Never had before but if it's something Spotnick has done to stop spammers well done Spotnick.Great work mate.

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Raise The Pressure sleeve note rant.


Oh that was horrible. 'Wars is bad. Wars is when people do wars. Is wrong. If I am Prime Minister I stop wars but politcals man has interest. If I am Prime Minister no one can be interest, only flowers and sewing and Spice Girl. Wars SUCKS!'
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The worst thing about Raise The Pressue has to be the sleeve.
I mean, who would sign off on that artwork?

For a person who was in a band synonymous with quality artwork, it seems odd for that same person to agree something quite as bad as the cover to RTP.
It’s almost as if he wanted to step as far away from the New Order ideology as possible:

‘An orange, badly-drawn child, in the buff, picking flowers? That looks terrible... yeah, that’ll do!’
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Shit album, shit sleeve. Shit.
I can't remember but I think I once read Neil Tennant liked the sleeve and then decided he didn't like it. Mind you, he worked with Patsy Kensit and remained homosexual, so what does he know?
Shit.
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I remember liking it at the time, but I haven't listed to it all the way through in years. Can't remember most of the tracks on it.

Think I played it for the first week or two when I first got it and then only heard tracks from it again when they were released as singles (For You, Second Nature).
Compare this with the first album, which I played half to death.

Speaking of the first album, although I still really like it, it does sound rather dated these days. One too many 'orchestra hits' probably.
I think I like it mainly for the nostalgia factor. And you know what they say about nostalgia; it ain't what it used to be...
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How on earth did you miss the 87 Australia and New Zealand tour, Dennis?


That's an excellent question. I was probably lost in the social blur of 1st year Uni campus life, and I think my brain was wired for clubs more so than live gigs at the time.

I'd sit my 18y.o self down now and have a stern talk about praxis and moment. He'd ignore me of course.
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Raise the Pressure had fine songs, better than Billy Joel's and David Bowie's pressure songs, but not as good as the 'under the pressure' song by war on drugs.
The cold hard facts are that new order is better than all other bands, and hooky and bernard created more great songs elsewhere.
We're like kestrels
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Brutal + Crystal reviews now up.

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...Get Ready, and have come to the conclusion that – a couple of shit tracks aside – it is by & large a really good album

Get Ready certainly doesn't have anything as embarrasingly bad on it as say, Chemical on Republic. So that's a positive.
The "real" Killers had a song on their first album that went "It's indie rock n roll for me". Prior to then, I think Indie was just called Indie, but Get Ready could indeed be called "Indie Rock n Roll" with it's tougher rock sound that wasn't quite mainstream.

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The sonic palette for Crystal is completely different to Republic

And a change is as good as a rest as they say (mind you NO had had quite a rest by then). Nothing wrong with a new pallette, but to use another phrase coined within a year or so of Get Ready, it was a bit "Landfill Indie".

Of course, if the songs had all been of the quality of Crystal it would have been an absolute triumph.
Instead the album is...alright, not bad, reasonably solid. I wouldn't be embarrassed to be caught listening to any particular track. But when I get to the end of it, I find myself going; hmm after Crystal what really stood out for me? What were the other highlights? It all kinda rolls into one big lump, and I pretty much forget it as soon as it's over. As mentioned previously, I wish you luck reviewing the rest of it Dennis. In a way Republic might be more fun to review precisely because it has some good songs and some really poor ones. But this album is sort of a consistent 6.5 out of ten from track 2 until the end.

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Sumner’s intentional bum-note that ends the ‘You shock me to the core‘ line

It never occurred to me that Bernard's bum notes were intentional!
The album version of Crystal is ace though. Was then; is now. The vocal melody is ace, the guitars are ace, the Hooky bass is ace, the drum sound is ace, the looped piano break is ace. Yeah, it's good this one.
I agree that Coombs' mix is the best of the remixes. It goes more danceable yet manages to celebrate some of the best bits of the original, rather than just chuck everything out bar the vocals.
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When i think of Crystal the first thing that always springs to mind is the drum and bass drum sound they, or Steve Osbourne (or a combined effort), so brilliantly nailed on it.A real energy and attitude to that sound.So many great sounds they nailed on it basically, that drum sound, the synths and keyboards, Hooky's bass (one of his all time best) , that magical piano break.... I'm maybe not so keen on the lyrics these days as once was but the sound of the music is incredible.Also, that "locust-like spray of sound that backs the 'I don't know what to say' line" you mention Dennis - it always reminds me of the similar spray/hissing sound that heralds intro to The Eternal by JD.Sometimes used to think it was almost like they were making a little nod to their former JD incarnation with that.

First time i heard Crystal was when i caught the video on MTV a few weeks before the song's release.I was completely and utterly overjoyed.We couldn't have ever wished for a better comeback single.


The Lee Coombs remix was the dog's bollocks.Brought out so many of the great elements of the song and what Coombs added was equally magnificent.Thing is it was so good i tended to never bother listening much to the other mixes after an initial first play.Will have to dig 'em out sometime and see what i make of them now.

Possibly my favourite live version of Crystal is the one on the Finsbury park DVD.Cracking stuff.


As for Get Ready as a whole, i remember i'd heard none of it, bar Crystal, til i bought the CD on release day in August 2001.I didn't even have a PC then let alone know where to hunt down illegal downloads pre-release.At the end of the first listen i thought, jeez is that it? Think i'll go and do something more interesting instead.Apart form Crystal it just washed over me without making much of an impact I thought songs like Someone Like You and Close Range were fricking dire on first listen.But i took to songs like Turn My Way (seemingly in a minority on that one) and Vicious Streak quickly on second listen.It was a rockier New Order, but i think i'd been expecting that after Brutal 18 months before.
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By a bizarre coincidence, the 'proper' Crystal was the last one I heard. I first bought what would've been the import CD single if I'd been in the UK and it hasd everything but. https://www.discogs.com/...er-Crystal/release/85535
The radio edit was great - mainly cos it had, in the words of a reviewer, 'a small army of Peter Hooks' - but as with EGG, TF etc, I preferred the full length.
The mixes were all up to standard but it got very repetitive as they bunched together edit / full length / dub so I'd usually skip the first and last. Again with London, I did wonder if the band were actively involved, and THAT bass was lost in the dance euphoria, but it was Still Light Decades away from Rest Of.
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I first bought what would've been the import CD single if I'd been in the UK and it hasd everything but. https://www.discogs.com/...er-Crystal/release/85535


Hmm. I bought the UK CD1 & CD2, (that "20 minute" rule was annoying, wasn't it) and a little later on I stumbled on the 12" of the Creamer & K mixes for a pound or something, so I "took pity" on it and bought that too.

Looking at the listing for that US CD single (and other listings) I see the short (3.22) version of Creamer & K's remix listed as "John Creamer & Stephane K Main Remix".
Is it safe to assume that this is actually the intro remix which has been mis-labelled, and only labelled correctly on my 12"?

Also what's with these Acid Planet remixes? So many remixers I've never heard of, which is unusual for me. I've listened to track 1 (so so). Are they all shite?
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Have dug out the mixes of Crystal i have.I have the standard UK CD1 and CD2.Can't remember the last time i listened to these, maybe about 2002.. The Digweed and Muir Bedrock mix "edit" on CD1 is 10 minutes long but i turned it off before 5 minutes.Not into it but it did remind that i was once in a club in Tel Aviv when i was on holiday there in 2007 and John Digweed was djing.I went up to the booth and shouted up to him "John!" assuming he would hear my English accent and acknowledge me but he just gave me a whatever look and a barely detectable shrug.Cunt. But i did probably look like a mentalist to be fair.I got a similar response from Dave Clarke when i tried to ask him to put Kraftwerk's 'Numbers' on in a club in Liverpool (not Cream though, i seem to recall.Actually it might even have been Back To Basics in Leeds come to think of it) sometime in the late 90s.I think i concluded after the Digweed incident that trying to say hello or request tracks from DJs was a fruitless pursuit and i should retire to the dancefloor or bar.Lesson learnt.


On to The Creamer And Steph K remix on CD2 now (skipped the unbeatably brilliant Coombs mix as i know what that one goes like and am familiar with it).Yeah i prefer this mix from the Digweed and Muir one, some nice sounds on this one.


I have the 12" of Here To Stay and on which is the album version of Crystal but i seem to recall it's even longer than the album mix? Maybe too unnecessarily long however.


So in summary- the Coombs mix still tops the lot of 'em.

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I am a fan of GR. for me it came at a time when I was not just listening to electronic music and started to listen to guitar stuff again and discovering bands and got me out the clubs and back going to gigs again. I really enjoyed the NO gigs around this time. It’s a good solid album and for me along with Crystal I also love Turn my Way, Primitive Motion, close range, and Run Wild. No bad tracks apart from RTS. Putting another big tune like HEre to Stay at the beginning of the b side to match Crystal would have improved the album. My musical clock seems to glide in time with NO so a more guitar orientated album was what I wanted from NO at the time. I didn’t think they could produce another great mainly electronic album at the time. MC delivered a fine electronic influenced album once again at the right time when my thoughts were I didn’t think NO could produce a great guitar influenced album, if that makes sense
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Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Go to Quoted Post
Have dug out the mixes of Crystal i have.I have the standard UK CD1 and CD2.Can't remember the last time i listened to these, maybe about 2002.. The Digweed and Muir Bedrock mix "edit" on CD1 is 10 minutes long but i turned it off before 5 minutes.Not into it but it did remind that i was once in a club in Tel Aviv when i was on holiday there in 2007 and John Digweed was djing.I went up to the booth and shouted up to him "John!" assuming he would hear my English accent and acknowledge me but he just gave me a whatever look and a barely detectable shrug.Cunt. But i did probably look like a mentalist to be fair.I got a similar response from Dave Clarke when i tried to ask him to put Kraftwerk's 'Numbers' on in a club in Liverpool (not Cream though, i seem to recall.Actually it might even have been Back To Basics in Leeds come to think of it) sometime in the late 90s.I think i concluded after the Digweed incident that trying to say hello or request tracks from DJs was a fruitless pursuit and i should retire to the dancefloor or bar.Lesson learnt.


On to The Creamer And Steph K remix on CD2 now (skipped the unbeatably brilliant Coombs mix as i know what that one goes like and am familiar with it).Yeah i prefer this mix from the Digweed and Muir one, some nice sounds on this one.


I have the 12" of Here To Stay and on which is the album version of Crystal but i seem to recall it's even longer than the album mix? Maybe too unnecessarily long however.


So in summary- the Coombs mix still tops the lot of 'em.


That mix of Crystal on the Here to Stay 12" is the original full version. More Hooky and better for it.
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