Fair point, I accept that. They also didn't play at King Tut's Wah Wah Hut either, but Freebass did. But...

I wouldn't call myself a Hook-basher, I did - and still do - admire his unique musical contribution and freely acknowledge it as an important ingredient of the NO sound. I just called out bullshit when I saw it, and backed it up with evidence that (mostly) refutes unsubstantiated claims from him or his acolyte/s (or him pretending to be an acolyte, possibly). In a way Hooky himself is the world's worst Hook-basher - every time he mouths off about his former bandmates in the press, he's doing himself and his fans (past and present) far more a disservice than any anonymous keyboard warrior could achieve.

I'd be happy to 'leave him be' were not for his endless bitterness and demonstrably inaccurate comments about his former bandmates. As a NO fan, I find it unedifying and disappointing to see this from someone I had once held in high regard, and rather than sycophantically accept and defend his position purely on the basis that he once contributed to the iconic 'classic' sound of New Order, I thought it worth pointing out a few things that seem to otherwise go unchallenged. After all, if he is about to launch a book of memoirs about his time in New Order, so you'd reasonably expect that he would value the power of unambiguous truth. If his new book is as flexible with the truth as some of his past comments in the press might suggest, his reputation is likely to take a further bashing in coming months - again, this would be at his own hand.

Plenty of people do love his shows with The Light, agreed... but that's not the point. The point is, they aren't shows with new - or even old - original Peter Hook music that is independent of NO or JD. NO and JD are popular - that's why he tours those shows. The rest of New Order tour to promote new material, mixing it live with reworked versions of older, well known stuff. Hook has no new material, for whatever reason he's chosen to not take the risk of recording and touring his own stuff. That anyone could argue that it's New Order and not Hooky that are 'doing for the money' is a bit delusional, frankly.

Let me know how big the crowds are when he does a show performing One True Passion in it's entirety.

Let's consider why there is some Hook bashing, as opposed to just kneejerk go "Waaaah don't criticise him."

He lambasts the bands continued existence, expecting them to just roll over and play dead without him.

He says that he left, the band 'split'... because the band was always going to be the same four people. Apart from Gillian left due to health issues. It was OK to carry on then. Because the person who left wasn't called Peter Hook.

He criticises the current bass player for being a soundalike, yet also criticises him for adding 'his own stamp' to it. And criticises Tom for the band having a sequenced bass as well as live bass. Despite the fact the band had live sequenced bass for at least 23 years before left.

He criticises the band as a nostalgia act, yet 99% of his shows contan no song less than 29 years old.

His interviews are factually incorrect at certain points. So many I can't be bothered to list them.

His lists of complaints of greivances are about money, security, and well... money. New Order were chronically and incompetently managed financially, pissed money against the wall, and every year the band turned over probably far, far more than I ever will. I can't comment on any current financial arrangements, but having been in N.O. for 25 years and the band earning for Reading 1998 over 10 times the *current* national salary (18 years later) I can only conclude some financial recklessness. Suing your former bandmates for money isn't the answer. Getting a goddamn Tardis and a decent accountant is probably the answer.

Also, selling a reproduction school photo for a grand on your website? Or limited edition books with bits of masonry and a 10" record for around £450?

Freebass. It's a rubbish record. He's not released an album of new material in six years.

All the current actions are mercenary and brazenly desperate, monetising the legacy. I'm fairly sure 'Twatto' isn't perfect, but he's not slagging off everyone constantly.

Sure, The Light play great shows, and the band sound lovely, but lets not put anyone on a false pedestal here. I hope the book is a great read, but I suspect all it will do is extend the legal action and cost everyone a lot of money. Life is too short to spend your old age slagging off everyone who was part of your career when you were younger.

It's occurred to me the similarities between Peter Hook and Donald Trump.Both always running their mouth, talking out their arse, saying nasty hateful things about people, contradicting and denying things they've said, desperate for attention and to be the big man numero uno..... oh yeah and being a total wanker.

Do we think there'll be another book to follow detailing Revenge, Monaco, Freebass and The Light (and maybe the outcome of his court case(s))?

Not particularly bothered either way if one comes out, I didn't buy any of those groups records or go to their gigs (although I saw Freebass at the 100 Club (not overly impreesed tbh), I didn't bother with the album, and I'm still surprised that copies haven't turned up in Poundland yet): maybe he'll need to earn a few extra quid if his court case goes against him, and I can't think there's anything left of the Hacienda he can sell off as a 'limited edition'.

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Has Hooky accused Bernard of being the founder of ISIS yet?

Donald Trump is series 6 of American Horror Story really, isn't he?
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Series One:American Horror Story- Murder House (2011-12)


Series Two:American Horror Story-Asylum (2012–13)


Series Three :American Horror Story-Coven (2013–14)

Series Four: American Horror Story-Freak Show (2014–15)


Series Five : American Horror Story- Hotel(2015-16)


Series Six: American Horror Story-Donald Trump(2016-17)

Well, I'll tell you all what... if anyone plans on going to see Hooky's Portland show, I'm game to meet up and cheer him on. As for the rest of the noise and nonsense in this thread, let me know when I'm supposed to care.

Cheers.

I've never seen The Light play live - does he not even play bass in the show? I was thinking of going to the Forum show next month, not going to bother if its just going to be him doing two hours of NO karaoke.

Most bass is played by his son. He does a bit when isn't swallowing the mic and raising arms like some Scooby-Doo spectre...

No one gives a fuck what I think but I'm a fan of the Light. Hooky's no Pavarotti but the atmosphere is so awesome you genuiney don't care after a while. I was a fan in the mid-90s and the fun was always dampened by the thought I'd never get to hear most / all of the songs live. Having stuff like Ecstasy or Tiny Tim played perfectly with a key, arguably most recognisable member for 14 fucking Euro is fine by me.

Ooooooh so Hookys doing his booky in Bath on 7th October need to think why I should go.
1 chance in a lifetime to get ultra rare Hooky autograph.
2, book will appreciate in value once signed.
3. The book will tell the Truth and nothing but the Truth.
4. He won't be singing.
5. I like Bath.
6.hese a renowed author.
7. He might say something about legal gig.
7 reasons.

When I saw the Low-Life & Brotherhood tour he started pretty much every track & played on all of the NO ones. There were a few JD ones where he didn't play though, which I was a bit bummed about.

If you never seen them you should go. They put on a great show and play for like 3 hours.