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#201 Posted : 20 November 2023 11:46:49(UTC)
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Some early pressings of Blue Monday were missing the first beat. I think it all comes down to an engineer cueing up the tape to the wrong spot.

I don't mind that the drum intro is complete on Substance (I had also noticed this), but remains true on the 12". I like the version on the PC&L 2-disc edition best, which includes a little tape squelch right at the start.

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#202 Posted : 20 November 2023 12:10:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
Some early pressings of Blue Monday were missing the first beat. I think it all comes down to an engineer cueing up the tape to the wrong spot.

I don't mind that the drum intro is complete on Substance (I had also noticed this), but remains true on the 12". I like the version on the PC&L 2-disc edition best, which includes a little tape squelch right at the start.

I've never heard any of the 'Blue Monday' vinyl pressings with the missing beat(s) (my 12" is the same as the 'Substance' version), but there were 7 beats missing from the versions on 'Blue Monday 95', 'International', and the first version of 'Singles'. A very strange mistake, meaning the first beat of the track in these erroneous versions is actually the 4th and final beat of the second bar of the song.

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#203 Posted : 20 November 2023 12:24:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
I've never heard any of the 'Blue Monday' vinyl pressings with the missing beat(s)


Correction - first TWO beats. If you have Recycle, the version of Blue Monday there is missing the first two beats. I believe Bruce used the Canadian pressing FACX10, which is what started us on the Recycle project in the first place.
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#204 Posted : 20 November 2023 12:30:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
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I've never heard any of the 'Blue Monday' vinyl pressings with the missing beat(s)


Correction - first TWO beats. If you have Recycle, the version of Blue Monday there is missing the first two beats. I believe Bruce used the Canadian pressing FACX10, which is what started us on the Recycle project in the first place.


Speaking of; Dead or Alive is getting their Recycle: TownsendMusic.store

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#205 Posted : 20 November 2023 13:24:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
Speaking of; Dead or Alive is getting their Recycle: TownsendMusic.store


Holy crap! I'd love to have this, but I'm only interested in CDs 5-18.
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#206 Posted : 20 November 2023 13:52:24(UTC)
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I've never heard any of the 'Blue Monday' vinyl pressings with the missing beat(s)


Correction - first TWO beats. If you have Recycle, the version of Blue Monday there is missing the first two beats. I believe Bruce used the Canadian pressing FACX10, which is what started us on the Recycle project in the first place.

So that means those pressings start with the 8x 16th note fast bass beats then?
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#207 Posted : 20 November 2023 16:51:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
So that means those pressings start with the 8x 16th note fast bass beats then?


Yep!
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#208 Posted : 21 November 2023 03:31:21(UTC)
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I'm sure it must be the Nelson Mandela effect, but we used to listen to the Blue Monday 12" obsessively circa 1985/86 when we were round at a mates playing on his BBC Micro and I always remembered the distinct bass drum intro has having SIX single beats before the double-time beats. Like it was burned into my brain

Hence it was always confusing when I heard later digital versions that didn't have all the beats. However - it now transpires that there were only ever TWO single beats at the start and I'm losing my mind
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#209 Posted : 21 November 2023 07:28:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
I'm sure it must be the Nelson Mandela effect, but we used to listen to the Blue Monday 12" obsessively circa 1985/86 when we were round at a mates playing on his BBC Micro and I always remembered the distinct bass drum intro has having SIX single beats before the double-time beats.


I could swear I've heard a copy with six beats at the intro as well.
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#210 Posted : 21 November 2023 09:22:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
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I'm sure it must be the Nelson Mandela effect, but we used to listen to the Blue Monday 12" obsessively circa 1985/86 when we were round at a mates playing on his BBC Micro and I always remembered the distinct bass drum intro has having SIX single beats before the double-time beats.


I could swear I've heard a copy with six beats at the intro as well.




AAAAARGH! Don't do this to me man! (heads to discogs to look for mid-80s pressings)
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#211 Posted : 21 November 2023 09:26:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
AAAAARGH! Don't do this to me man! (heads to discogs to look for mid-80s pressings)


I feel like that may have been something different, thought....either part of the Blue Monday '95 bundles, or on Retro, or International. One of the comps. But I could be wrong, that's just a suspicion.
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#212 Posted : 21 November 2023 09:38:51(UTC)
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None of the pressings have extra beats. Some have one (or more missing). The version on 'Substance' is the musically correct version, with two beats before the 16th note beats. That's the version that starts on the first beat of the first 4/4 bar, as they play it live.

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#213 Posted : 21 November 2023 10:01:02(UTC)
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Anything tagged as Blue Monday (Original Mix) on the '95 bundles, and the version on International, have one extra beat at the beginning - 3 beats instead of 2 before the 16th note kick drum.
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#214 Posted : 21 November 2023 10:04:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
Anything tagged as Blue Monday (Original Mix) on the '95 bundles, and the version on International, have one extra beat at the beginning - 3 beats instead of 2 before the 16th note kick drum.

Those versions are actually almost two bars shorter, having 7 beats missing from the start, meaning the first beat is actually the 4th and final beat of the second bar of the song.
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#215 Posted : 22 November 2023 17:01:22(UTC)
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here's my substantial substance collection . ha ha

this includes the new tshirt, the cd collection, the new cassette,
the vinyl, and colored vinyl
the original cd, original cassettes (2 boxes, 1 is better replacement),
a collection of the original release and 12 inches, all the remastered 12 inches,
the tote bag, and pins

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and here are the remastered 12 inches, front and back.

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i never had the original UK true faith remix 12 inch,

i'm surprised they put 1963 on there again, instead of remix or something else.

i saw the australian one with the paradise remix, so of course i got that with
the limited money i had. i didn't get the UK true faith original either, because
i got the US 12 inch with the same cover. however it had the remixes on it,
and not the 12 inch versions.


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poster arrived, fits in well with the others.

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#218 Posted : 25 November 2023 12:36:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
None of the pressings have extra beats. Some have one (or more missing). The version on 'Substance' is the musically correct version, with two beats before the 16th note beats. That's the version that starts on the first beat of the first 4/4 bar, as they play it live.

Just verified the above with the 'Blue Monday 95' version of this. Here's where the following sections start;

First synth line starts fading in

  • 'Substance' version: 0:15
  • 95 version: 0:11


Bassline and full drums start

  • 'Substance' version: 0:30
  • 95 version: 0:27


Hooky's bass guitar starts

  • 'Substance' version: 1:17
  • 95 version: 1:14


So the versions that appear to have extra beats at the start, are actually shorter at the start, missing earlier beats.

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