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Some early pressings of Blue Monday were missing the first beat. I think it all comes down to an engineer cueing up the tape to the wrong spot. I don't mind that the drum intro is complete on Substance (I had also noticed this), but remains true on the 12". I like the version on the PC&L 2-disc edition best, which includes a little tape squelch right at the start. Edited by user 20 November 2023 11:48:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote  Some early pressings of Blue Monday were missing the first beat. I think it all comes down to an engineer cueing up the tape to the wrong spot.
I don't mind that the drum intro is complete on Substance (I had also noticed this), but remains true on the 12". I like the version on the PC&L 2-disc edition best, which includes a little tape squelch right at the start. I've never heard any of the 'Blue Monday' vinyl pressings with the missing beat(s) (my 12" is the same as the 'Substance' version), but there were 7 beats missing from the versions on 'Blue Monday 95', 'International', and the first version of 'Singles'. A very strange mistake, meaning the first beat of the track in these erroneous versions is actually the 4th and final beat of the second bar of the song.
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography  I've never heard any of the 'Blue Monday' vinyl pressings with the missing beat(s) Correction - first TWO beats. If you have Recycle, the version of Blue Monday there is missing the first two beats. I believe Bruce used the Canadian pressing FACX10, which is what started us on the Recycle project in the first place.
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote  Originally Posted by: Mr Discography  I've never heard any of the 'Blue Monday' vinyl pressings with the missing beat(s) Correction - first TWO beats. If you have Recycle, the version of Blue Monday there is missing the first two beats. I believe Bruce used the Canadian pressing FACX10, which is what started us on the Recycle project in the first place. Speaking of; Dead or Alive is getting their Recycle: TownsendMusic.store
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Originally Posted by: Andy  Holy crap! I'd love to have this, but I'm only interested in CDs 5-18.
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote  Originally Posted by: Mr Discography  I've never heard any of the 'Blue Monday' vinyl pressings with the missing beat(s) Correction - first TWO beats. If you have Recycle, the version of Blue Monday there is missing the first two beats. I believe Bruce used the Canadian pressing FACX10, which is what started us on the Recycle project in the first place. So that means those pressings start with the 8x 16th note fast bass beats then?
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography  So that means those pressings start with the 8x 16th note fast bass beats then? Yep!
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I'm sure it must be the Nelson Mandela effect, but we used to listen to the Blue Monday 12" obsessively circa 1985/86 when we were round at a mates playing on his BBC Micro and I always remembered the distinct bass drum intro has having SIX single beats before the double-time beats. Like it was burned into my brain
Hence it was always confusing when I heard later digital versions that didn't have all the beats. However - it now transpires that there were only ever TWO single beats at the start and I'm losing my mind
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes  I'm sure it must be the Nelson Mandela effect, but we used to listen to the Blue Monday 12" obsessively circa 1985/86 when we were round at a mates playing on his BBC Micro and I always remembered the distinct bass drum intro has having SIX single beats before the double-time beats. I could swear I've heard a copy with six beats at the intro as well.
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote  Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes  I'm sure it must be the Nelson Mandela effect, but we used to listen to the Blue Monday 12" obsessively circa 1985/86 when we were round at a mates playing on his BBC Micro and I always remembered the distinct bass drum intro has having SIX single beats before the double-time beats. I could swear I've heard a copy with six beats at the intro as well. AAAAARGH! Don't do this to me man! (heads to discogs to look for mid-80s pressings)
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes  AAAAARGH! Don't do this to me man! (heads to discogs to look for mid-80s pressings) I feel like that may have been something different, thought....either part of the Blue Monday '95 bundles, or on Retro, or International. One of the comps. But I could be wrong, that's just a suspicion.
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None of the pressings have extra beats. Some have one (or more missing). The version on 'Substance' is the musically correct version, with two beats before the 16th note beats. That's the version that starts on the first beat of the first 4/4 bar, as they play it live. Edited by user 21 November 2023 12:40:08(UTC)
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Anything tagged as Blue Monday (Original Mix) on the '95 bundles, and the version on International, have one extra beat at the beginning - 3 beats instead of 2 before the 16th note kick drum.
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote  Anything tagged as Blue Monday (Original Mix) on the '95 bundles, and the version on International, have one extra beat at the beginning - 3 beats instead of 2 before the 16th note kick drum. Those versions are actually almost two bars shorter, having 7 beats missing from the start, meaning the first beat is actually the 4th and final beat of the second bar of the song.
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here's my substantial substance collection . ha ha this includes the new tshirt, the cd collection, the new cassette, the vinyl, and colored vinyl the original cd, original cassettes (2 boxes, 1 is better replacement), a collection of the original release and 12 inches, all the remastered 12 inches, the tote bag, and pins     later || | | | || ne gative 1
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and here are the remastered 12 inches, front and back.     i never had the original UK true faith remix 12 inch, i'm surprised they put 1963 on there again, instead of remix or something else. i saw the australian one with the paradise remix, so of course i got that with the limited money i had. i didn't get the UK true faith original either, because i got the US 12 inch with the same cover. however it had the remixes on it, and not the 12 inch versions. later || | | | | || ne gative 1 Edited by user 22 November 2023 17:09:19(UTC)
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poster arrived, fits in well with the others.   later || | | | | || n egative 1
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography  None of the pressings have extra beats. Some have one (or more missing). The version on 'Substance' is the musically correct version, with two beats before the 16th note beats. That's the version that starts on the first beat of the first 4/4 bar, as they play it live. Just verified the above with the 'Blue Monday 95' version of this. Here's where the following sections start; First synth line starts fading in
- 'Substance' version: 0:15
- 95 version: 0:11
Bassline and full drums start
- 'Substance' version: 0:30
- 95 version: 0:27
Hooky's bass guitar starts
- 'Substance' version: 1:17
- 95 version: 1:14
So the versions that appear to have extra beats at the start, are actually shorter at the start, missing earlier beats.
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