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Linus Solanki  
#151 Posted : 07 May 2021 10:18:54(UTC)
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INTERVIEW: New Order’s Phil Cunningham discusses ‘Education Entertainment Recreation (Live at Alexandra Palace)

https://youtu.be/nQN9WWkAZak

Really nice interview, looks like NO is working on something new
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#152 Posted : 07 May 2021 11:26:09(UTC)
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Got my bundle (in San Francisco) 48 hours after it shipped from the UK. It's a beautiful package! Listening now. While it's a bit more polished and less shambolic than their '80s heyday, and Barney's voice has matured, I'm really happy to have this. They've been my favorite band since 1986, and I didn't get to see them live until 2001, so anything live from them has always felt like a gift.

My print is 986/1000

I don't own a Blu-ray player. Guess I should buy one now.
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#153 Posted : 07 May 2021 12:27:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Linus Solanki Go to Quoted Post
Really nice interview, looks like NO is working on something new

Another remix of 'Be A Rebel?

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#154 Posted : 07 May 2021 13:15:40(UTC)
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Phil showed the new Celtic Guitar he used in one of the new songs at the end of the interview
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#155 Posted : 08 May 2021 05:14:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Linus Solanki Go to Quoted Post
Phil showed the new Celtic Guitar he used in one of the new songs at the end of the interview


Ah the dulcimer. Bernard mentioned in a Music Complete interview (the Radio X/John Kennedy one which Fotz uploaded to YT, I think) that Steve always seems to have a "dulcimer one" in provisional tracklists for NO albums. And there certainly was for Music Complete - you can hear the dulcimer at the start of Nothing But A Fool.

I'm too lazy to watch the whole interview. Where's the bit about new material pls?
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#156 Posted : 08 May 2021 08:45:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Linus Solanki Go to Quoted Post
Phil showed the new Celtic Guitar he used in one of the new songs at the end of the interview


Ah the dulcimer. Bernard mentioned in a Music Complete interview (the Radio X/John Kennedy one which Fotz uploaded to YT, I think) that Steve always seems to have a "dulcimer one" in provisional tracklists for NO albums. And there certainly was for Music Complete - you can hear the dulcimer at the start of Nothing But A Fool.

I'm too lazy to watch the whole interview. Where's the bit about new material pls?


Between 15 and 16 minutes in. He say's he can't talk about it but it's probably another single.

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#157 Posted : 14 May 2021 00:00:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post

My print is 986/1000


I got my bundle today delivered to Wellington/New Zealand.

My print is 982/1000.

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#158 Posted : 14 May 2021 00:07:47(UTC)
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Felt a bit weird watching it when the female backing vocals come in and there is no-one there singing them (eg Crystal and Sub-Culture)

So much of the instrumental backing is pre-programmed - always has been, so why does it jar so much for me when you notice the backing vocal is on tape too?
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#159 Posted : 14 May 2021 14:40:46(UTC)
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978/1000 !!
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
Felt a bit weird watching it when the female backing vocals come in and there is no-one there singing them (eg Crystal and Sub-Culture)

So much of the instrumental backing is pre-programmed - always has been, so why does it jar so much for me when you notice the backing vocal is on tape too?


I was more annoyed by his changing of the vocal melody on Love Vigilantes. Otherwise, business as usual for latter-day New Order. I was actually pleased that they toned down Elly's canned vocal on Tutti Frutti.

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#161 Posted : 16 May 2021 15:13:50(UTC)
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I must admit, I've really enjoyed listening to EER over the past week. It's probably the first time I've dropped 3 figures on what is essentially a live album but there is no denying it is a classy package and sounds excellent. Like many here I was at the gig in 2018 so felt I had no choice but to purchase and I've tucked away my ticket stub into the box-set.

The audio sounds better than Troxy, Bestival and NOMC15 all rolled into one. I opted for the "Super Deluxe" option but without the t-shirt, A2 print or badges which I found to be taking the piss a little bit. Merchandising overload and superfluous. I've also not been impressed with the band t-shirts from Warners recently, the neckline is ridiculously tight. I'm a standard 'M' and every Mute t-shirt I've ordered fits perfectly but the recent Warners ones just seem an odd fit. I'm not that much of a fat bastard yet! (honest).

T-shirt whinging aside... when lifting the lid off of the set I recommend using plastic gloves or something similar as the black sleeves can be magnets for thumb-prints despite best intentions. The hardback book and everything contained in the sleeves - plus the CDs & Blu-ray replica mini-LP sleeves - are really nice. Sitting on my shelf next to the Movement and PC&L Definitive Editions it blends in well as they're all the same size. The bad old days of the Rhino 2xCD Collector's Editions are thankfully fading fast and the Definitive Low-life box-set can't come soon enough, in my view.

It is a bit bizarre Tutti Frutti was omitted from the CDs as Disc 1 is only 50 minutes, which leaves a fair amount of space left over. It could have easily been accommodated between KW1 and Sub-Culture as it is in the Blu-ray's running order. I had a crack at checking out the DTS-HD audio stream on the Blu-ray which while sounds great on my TV is mastered differently (lower) to the CDs. Unlike previous DVD releases, there are no extras here which is no big deal. With the exception of the Glasgow ones (Hooky & Steve wandering through a tunnel) I don't think I watched most of the previous/collective DVD extras more than er, twice.

I think, for the money, a Hi-res version of the audio on the Blu-ray wouldn't have been too much to ask. The 24-bit version is currently on Qobuz for £23 quid (minus Tutti) but for once I'll stick with my CD rips as they sound just fine. As for Tutti itself, I can also for once live without it being there.

In terms of the tunes... Ultraviolence and Disorder have been receiving an absolute caning on my playlist; I like the "deathly reverb" effect they applied to Bernard's vocal which is less obvious on the MIF show. Also WFTSC because I find the Planet Funk rework sublime... and finally the holy trinity towards the end. Low point? Tutti probably, which is why I'm not exactly mourning its loss from the CDs.

A solid 8/10 from me. The Super Deluxe box price is admittedly a bit eye-watering but the CD + Blu-ray package are a decent price for 2 hours' worth of high quality audio/video.

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Didn’t bother buying . Bought a couple of Beatles albums instead. Original 1973 vinyl copies of the red album and the blue album, £15 a piece . Audio quality is incredible. Needed a wash with the L’Art Du Son and came up a treat . Let It Be.

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Yeah, there's a point where you can't be arsed any more. It's too much hassle and there's always BibeTube.
The first time I experienced the Beatles was the 67 - 70 compilation. I was about nine and my parents had it on blue vinyl. I remember thinking when they die, it won't be all tragic, cos I could get that LP. Positive thinking.
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I didn't actually notice 'Tutti Frutti' was missing from the CD tracklisting. Very strange to have it on one but not the other.

Anyone know the reason why it's on the Blu-ray but not the CDs?
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#165 Posted : 17 May 2021 14:51:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NotAMod Go to Quoted Post
The audio sounds better than Troxy, Bestival and NOMC15 all rolled into one.

Agreed. But the MIF recording Σ[2017#$%&@***whatever] sounds better to me. It's a shame they didn't use that one for the blu-ray release. A different approach overall, visually and soundwise.

Originally Posted by: NotAMod Go to Quoted Post
I opted for the "Super Deluxe" option but without the t-shirt, A2 print or badges which I found to be taking the piss a little bit. Merchandising overload and superfluous. I've also not been impressed with the band t-shirts from Warners recently, the neckline is ridiculously tight.

Same here. I'm also not a fan of tees and badges. I think the book will be a nice item to have autographed some day...

Edit: Oh, and I thought I've read somewhere the Decades doc would be an extra feature on this blu-ray.

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If they’d included the Decades doc it might have swayed me to buy. Maybe there was a legal reason for not including?

Only reason I can think of for not having Tutti Frutti on the CD is perhaps it couldn’t have fitted it on the vinyl and they wanted the track list for the CDs and vinyl to match exactly?
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#167 Posted : 18 May 2021 10:36:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NotAMod Go to Quoted Post
I must admit, I've really enjoyed listening to EER over the past week. It's probably the first time I've dropped 3 figures on what is essentially a live album but there is no denying it is a classy package and sounds excellent. Like many here I was at the gig in 2018 so felt I had no choice but to purchase and I've tucked away my ticket stub into the box-set.

The audio sounds better than Troxy, Bestival and NOMC15 all rolled into one. I opted for the "Super Deluxe" option but without the t-shirt, A2 print or badges which I found to be taking the piss a little bit. Merchandising overload and superfluous. I've also not been impressed with the band t-shirts from Warners recently, the neckline is ridiculously tight. I'm a standard 'M' and every Mute t-shirt I've ordered fits perfectly but the recent Warners ones just seem an odd fit. I'm not that much of a fat bastard yet! (honest).

T-shirt whinging aside... when lifting the lid off of the set I recommend using plastic gloves or something similar as the black sleeves can be magnets for thumb-prints despite best intentions. The hardback book and everything contained in the sleeves - plus the CDs & Blu-ray replica mini-LP sleeves - are really nice. Sitting on my shelf next to the Movement and PC&L Definitive Editions it blends in well as they're all the same size. The bad old days of the Rhino 2xCD Collector's Editions are thankfully fading fast and the Definitive Low-life box-set can't come soon enough, in my view.

It is a bit bizarre Tutti Frutti was omitted from the CDs as Disc 1 is only 50 minutes, which leaves a fair amount of space left over. It could have easily been accommodated between KW1 and Sub-Culture as it is in the Blu-ray's running order. I had a crack at checking out the DTS-HD audio stream on the Blu-ray which while sounds great on my TV is mastered differently (lower) to the CDs. Unlike previous DVD releases, there are no extras here which is no big deal. With the exception of the Glasgow ones (Hooky & Steve wandering through a tunnel) I don't think I watched most of the previous/collective DVD extras more than er, twice.

I think, for the money, a Hi-res version of the audio on the Blu-ray wouldn't have been too much to ask. The 24-bit version is currently on Qobuz for £23 quid (minus Tutti) but for once I'll stick with my CD rips as they sound just fine. As for Tutti itself, I can also for once live without it being there.

In terms of the tunes... Ultraviolence and Disorder have been receiving an absolute caning on my playlist; I like the "deathly reverb" effect they applied to Bernard's vocal which is less obvious on the MIF show. Also WFTSC because I find the Planet Funk rework sublime... and finally the holy trinity towards the end. Low point? Tutti probably, which is why I'm not exactly mourning its loss from the CDs.

A solid 8/10 from me. The Super Deluxe box price is admittedly a bit eye-watering but the CD + Blu-ray package are a decent price for 2 hours' worth of high quality audio/video.



Agree if you ignore the amount of other live albums (I suppose Troxy and Bestival were quite small scale releases?) this is a truly excellent live album. I also went for the duluxe but with an added t shirt, and it is a large amount of money to part with but my choice, although hard to refuse when you are a collector. I did manage to not go for the art print.

I too was at this gig so makes it more of an essential purchase (was also at MiF and Troxy). If the other live albums did not exist this release would be held up in higher esteem IMO. Really for modern day NO this along with MiF are the essential live releases.

NO are we’re in fine form that night and Barneys vocals sound really good (although as someone else said in this thread his voice on TPK does sound very frog like - maybe Steve added TPK frog sample on top of his voice!).Really enjoyed playing over the last couple of weeks but not sure how often I’ll return to it, although does act as a best off quite well. I much prefer actual albums to live ones. Need to get a blue ray to enjoy the video performance so will probably get round to that b4 the end of the year. I always prefer audio to visual but always worth one or 2 views and I did watch the sky arts version.

Certainly not an essential releases but good for the hardcore fan and definitely worth a download a just a vinyl or cd copy to the more casual observer.

As a live album I’ve not heard many better, but please no more live album releases! Sounds like a new single to look forward to in 2022. Listening to this does make you hungry for a gig and glad I’ve got my tickets for Manchester and London this year. I really can’t wait for those events
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