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#51 Posted : 19 October 2018 09:41:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note Go to Quoted Post
This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves:

Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25


thanks, i'm looking back at your blog pages, and
yes, i didn't record the times when you posted it.

that last edit is your version right, and from the notes,
all the vinyl versions clock in at 3:58:

"Tracklisting:

1. Shellshock
2. Shellcock
3. Thieves Like Us Instrumental '86
4. Shellshock (7" Edit)
5. Thieves Like Us Instrumental '86 (7" Edit)

1 and 2 sourced from Factory UK 45RPM 12" single FAC 143
3 sourced from A&M Canada 45RPM 12" single SP-12174
4 sourced from Factory UK 45RPM 7" single FAC 143
5 edited from 3

Notes from the restorer:
I initially created the full-length Shellshock by taking the Substance edit and putting back the edited-out portions from vinyl, carefully EQing it to match. While most people couldn't hear where the edits were, one person claimed to, so for this version, it's all from vinyl. I was hesitant do to this, for there is a very faint bit of pre-echo audible at the intro... but oh well.

Annoyingly, the 7" version cannot be created from editing the other versions down. I say annoyingly because I spent a couple of hours working on it and was almost done, only to discover that there's a brief snippet at around the three-minute mark which isn't anywhere in the 12" or dub versions."


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#52 Posted : 19 October 2018 15:21:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note Go to Quoted Post
This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves:

Original (12" single A-side) 6:38
7" Promo Edit 3:57
Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58
Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38
Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25


There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list.

Andy

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#53 Posted : 19 October 2018 16:23:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note Go to Quoted Post
This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves:

Original (12" single A-side) 6:38
7" Promo Edit 3:57
Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58
Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38
Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25


There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list.

Andy



This rings a bell.At some point i've heard Thieves and the "broken knife (knife)" has registered as oh i never noticed the "knife" echo/repeat before but i had just put it down to my ears and mind hearing the "knife" twice, like i imagined it or something.

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ROCKET MICK on 23/10/2018(UTC)
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#54 Posted : 20 October 2018 03:34:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note Go to Quoted Post
This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves:

Original (12" single A-side) 6:38
7" Promo Edit 3:57
Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58
Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38
Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25


There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list.

Andy



That's a bad vocal drop in rather than a completely different take. Rest of and the Collector's Edition used a source taken from the studio master rather than the fixed production master.

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#55 Posted : 19 April 2019 11:23:07(UTC)
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updated list with times from : movement deluxe

from discogs

Code:


CD1-1    Dreams Never End    3:15
CD1-2    Truth    4:40
CD1-3    Senses    4:47
CD1-4    Chosen Time    4:08
CD1-5    ICB    4:34
CD1-6    The Him    5:31
CD1-7    Doubts Even Here    4:20
CD1-8    Denial    4:24

Extras
CD2-1    Dreams Never End (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    3:41
CD2-2    Homage (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    4:14
CD2-3    Ceremony (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    4:38
CD2-4    Truth (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    5:27
CD2-5    Are You Ready For This? (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    2:50
CD2-6    The Him (Cargo Demo, 1981)    4:53
CD2-7    Senses (Cargo Demo, 1981)    4:10
CD2-8    Truth (Cargo Demo, 1981)    4:39
CD2-9    Dreams Never End (Cargo Demo, 1981)    3:24
CD2-10    Mesh (Cargo Demo, 1981)    3:12
CD2-11    ICB (Cargo Demo, 1981)    4:40
CD2-12    Procession (Cargo Demo, 1981)    3:46
CD2-13    Cries And Whispers (Cargo Demo, 1981)    2:49
CD2-14    Doubts Even Here (Cargo Demo, 1981)    5:09
CD2-15    Ceremony (1st Mix - Ceremony Sessions, 1980)    4:20
CD2-16    Temptation (Alternative 7" Mix, 1982)    5:25
CD2-17    Procession (Rehearsal Recording, 1980)    3:42
CD2-18    Chosen Time (Rehearsal Recording, 1981)    4:40

Peppermint Lounge, NY 1981
DVD-1    In A Lonely Place    5:56
DVD-2    Dreams Never End    3:38
DVD-3    Chosen Time    4:07
DVD-4    ICB    5:12
DVD-5    Senses    5:00
DVD-6    Denial    5:07
DVD-7    Everything's Gone Green    6:09
DVD-8    Hurt (Instrumental)    5:27
DVD-9    Temptation    10:22

Hurrah's, NY 1980
DVD-10    Untitled    0:21
DVD-11    In A Lonely Place    5:06
DVD-12    Procession    3:38
DVD-13    Dreams Never End    3:51
DVD-14    Mesh    4:04
DVD-15    Truth    5:50
DVD-16    Cries & Whispers    3:27
DVD-17    Ceremony    5:08

Granada Studios, Mcr 1981
DVD-18    Doubts Even Here    4:10
DVD-19    The Him    6:29
DVD-20    Procession    4:08
DVD-21    Senses    5:12
DVD-22    Denial    6:34

BBC Riverside, London 1982
DVD-23    Temptation    4:35
DVD-24    Chosen Time    3:45
DVD-25    Procession    4:04
DVD-26    Hurt (Instrumental)    4:09
DVD-27    Senses    4:23
DVD-28    Denial    5:17
DVD-29    In A Lonely Place    5:36

Extras
DVD-30    Ceremony (ConManCHE Student Union, Mcr 1981)    4:34
DVD-31    In A Lonely Place (Masonic Temple, Toronto 1981)    5:21
DVD-32    Temptation (Soul Kitchen, Newcastle 1982)    7:20
DVD-33    Hurt (Le Palace, Paris 1982)    6:50
DVD-34    Procession (Le Palace, Paris 1982)    3:43
DVD-35    Chosen Time (Pennies, Northwich 1982)    3:37
DVD-36    Truth (The Haçienda, Mcr 1983)    4:22
DVD-37    ICB (First Avenue, Minneapolis 1983)    5:10



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happy new year, more updates:


updates : + movement deluxe boxset DVD times
+ waiting for the sirens call album vinyl format
+ glasgow live CD/DVD times
+ bestival live times
+ troxy live times
+ mif live times
+ confusion 90 digital mixes times

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#57 Posted : 08 September 2020 02:12:19(UTC)
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added : be a rebel (single)


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New Order ‎– Be A Rebel
Label: Mute ‎– I1MUTE 619
Format: 2 × File, FLAC, Single, 48kHz/24-bit
Country: Europe
Released: 08 Sep 2020
Genre: Electronic, Rock
Style: Pop Rock, Synth-pop

Tracklist
1 Be A Rebel 4:48
2 Be A Rebel (Edit) 3:35
Total Time: 8:23

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_new_order_songography__v1.22_____02_22_22_


updates : + be a rebel digital single, remixes
+ education entertainment recreation
+ 433
+ cd for true dub, and confusion mixes
+ time for someone like you (funk d'void remix)(no guitar solo & less)
+ made all song titles lowercase consistent

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be a rebel (bernards renegade mix) 6:25 v, cd
be a rebel (bernards renegade mix2) 6:25 dig
be a rebel (bernards renegade inst mix) 6:18 v, cd
be a rebel (bernards renegade inst mix2) 6:18 dig


Your timings and formats are out for these mixes.

I assume the versions you refer to as "mix2" are the second attempt Barney had at his Renegade Mixes - identifiable by the "Hooky" bass riff about halfway through both versions (vocal and instrumental)? These versions appear on the digital and CD single releases and your timings are correct.

The original Renegade Mixes (without "Hooky") however, only appeared on the 12", and are both a little longer - each with slightly longer intros just before the first verse:

Renegade Mix: 6:33
Renegade Instrumental: 6:32

Timings are from my digitised vinyl grabs made with a Technics 1210 into my laptop.

Hope that's helpful.

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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

Your timings and formats are out for these mixes.

I assume the versions you refer to as "mix2" are the second attempt Barney had at his Renegade Mixes - identifiable by the "Hooky" bass riff about halfway through both versions (vocal and instrumental)? These versions appear on the digital and CD single releases and your timings are correct.

The original Renegade Mixes (without "Hooky") however, only appeared on the 12", and are both a little longer - each with slightly longer intros just before the first verse:

Renegade Mix: 6:33
Renegade Instrumental: 6:32

Timings are from my digitised vinyl grabs made with a Technics 1210 into my laptop.

Hope that's helpful.

Andy


thanks andy for clearing that up, i made a note of it when the differences were
first noted, but haven't gone back to check it.

also, i left out the 2 ivan ivan edits of the perfect kiss:

missed the kiss of death edit at : 3:01
also.

7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123)
3:51 The Perfect Kiss (edit)
3:01 Kiss of Death (edit)

originally on the niagara.edu site those times were blank,
so i always assumed they were the same as the other edits.

come to think of it, i don't know if i've ever transferred them over from vinyl.

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#61 Posted : 19 February 2022 00:39:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: negative1 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

Your timings and formats are out for these mixes.

I assume the versions you refer to as "mix2" are the second attempt Barney had at his Renegade Mixes - identifiable by the "Hooky" bass riff about halfway through both versions (vocal and instrumental)? These versions appear on the digital and CD single releases and your timings are correct.

The original Renegade Mixes (without "Hooky") however, only appeared on the 12", and are both a little longer - each with slightly longer intros just before the first verse:

Renegade Mix: 6:33
Renegade Instrumental: 6:32

Timings are from my digitised vinyl grabs made with a Technics 1210 into my laptop.

Hope that's helpful.

Andy


thanks andy for clearing that up, i made a note of it when the differences were
first noted, but haven't gone back to check it.

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Think you're still short a few variations of Rebel.

My record:

Be A Rebel 4:48 12"; CD-R promo; CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Edit) 3:35 CD-R promo; CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Maceo Plex Remix) 6:56 2x12"; CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Maceo Plex Remix Edit) 5:27 [Stream/rip only - New Order YouTube]
Be A Rebel (Paul Woolford Remix Edit) 4:07 DD
Be A Rebel (Paul Woolford Remix New Order Edit) 6:41 2x12"; CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Bernard's Outlaw Mix) 6:41 2x12"; CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Renegade Spezial Edit) 3:09 2x12"; CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Renegade Spezial Edit - Adidas version) 1:35 [Stream/rip only - Adidas YouTube]
Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Mix) 6:25 CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Mix) [12" version] 6:31 12"
Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Instrumental Mix) 6:18 CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Instrumental Mix) [12" version] 6:31 12"
Be A Rebel (Stephen’s T34 Mix) 5:25 12"; CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Mark Reeder's Dirty Devil Remix) 5:26 2x12"; CDS; DD
Be A Rebel (Mark Reeder's Cheeky Devil Remix) 4:44 DD [Mark Reeder album exclusive]
Be A Rebel (JakoJako Remix) 4:29 2x12"; CDS ; DD
Be A Rebel (Melwati Remix) 5:17 2x12"; CDS ; DD
Be A Rebel (Arthur Baker Remix) 8:07 2x12"; CDS ; DD
Be A Rebel (Music Video Edit) 3:36 [Stream/rip only - New Order YouTube]

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Will be updating the list once with the timings
from the deluxe Low-life tracks.

Code:

Extras    
CD2-1        Love Vigilantes (TV Pitch Instrumental Edit)    6:14
CD2-2        The Perfect Kiss (Writing Session Recording)
3:17
CD2-3        Untitled No. 1 (Writing Session Recording)
1:30
CD2-4        Sunrise (Instrumental Rough Mix)    5:48
CD2-5        Elegia (Full Length Version)    17:30
CD2-6        Sooner Than You Think (Album Session Unedited Version)    6:24
CD2-7        Sub-Culture (Album Session Early Instrumental Version)    6:07
CD2-8        Face Up (Writing Session Recording)
3:34
CD2-9        Let's Go (Album Session Instrumental)    4:14
CD2-10        Untitled No. 2 (Writing Session Recording)
5:53
CD2-11        Sunrise (Writing Session Recording)
4:32
CD2-12        Love Vigilantes (Writing Session Recording)
4:18
CD2-13        Sooner Than You Think (Writing Session Recording)
3:04
CD2-14        Skullcrusher (Demo)    5:37


Live In Tokyo 1985    
DVD1-1        Confusion
8:04
DVD1-2        Love Vigilantes    4:32
DVD1-3        We All Stand    4:46
DVD1-4        As It Is When It Was    4:55
DVD1-5        Sub-Culture    4:58
DVD1-6        Face Up    5:30
DVD1-7        Sunrise    7:12
DVD1-8        This Time Of Night    4:54
DVD1-9        Blue Monday    8:51


Live In Rotterdam 1985    
DVD1-10        As It Is When It Was    4:09
DVD1-11        Everything's Gone Green    3:58
DVD1-12        Sub-Culture    5:00
DVD1-13        Ceremony
4:43
DVD1-14        Let's Go    4:21
DVD1-15        This Time Of Night    5:58
DVD1-16        The Village    5:07
DVD1-17        The Perfect Kiss    9:29
DVD1-18        Age Of Consent    4:59
DVD1-19        Sunrise    5:39
DVD1-20        Temptation    6:55
DVD1-21        Face Up    6:30


Live In Manchester 1985    
DVD1-22        As It Is When It Was    3:48
DVD1-23        Sunrise    5:18
DVD1-24        Face Up    5:19


Live In Leuven 1985    
DVD2-1        Let's Go    4:45
DVD2-2        The Perfect Kiss    9:13
DVD2-3        Age Of Consent    5:00
DVD2-4        State Of The Nation    6:29
DVD2-5        As It Is When It Was    3:50
DVD2-6        The Village    4:31
DVD2-7        Sub-Culture    5:14
DVD2-8        Atmosphere
4:42
DVD2-9        Blue Monday    8:03
Bonus Tracks    
DVD2-10        Thieves Like Us
6:20
DVD2-11        Temptation    7:24
DVD2-12        Confusion
5:39


Live In Toronto 1985    
DVD2-13        Elegia    6:39
DVD2-14        Sub-Culture    5:05
DVD2-15        The Village    4:20
DVD2-16        Sunrise    5:06
DVD2-17        We All Stand    4:14
DVD2-18        As It Is When It Was    3:53
DVD2-19        Love Vigilantes    5:06
DVD2-20        586    5:48
DVD2-21        Age Of Consent    4:49
DVD2-22        Temptation    7:35
DVD2-23        Ceremony
5:51
DVD2-24        The Perfect Kiss    10:00


The Perfect Film    
DVD2-25        The Perfect Kiss
10:36


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Working through the listings in the back of Dennis's book and spotted this is missing from the Songography

Singularity (Mark Reeder's Duality Remix Edit) 3:49

https://www.discogs.com/...76-New-Order-Singularity

The full Duality Remix you have in the your list is 4:57


Also minor things noted

The 1963 (4:21) version on Singles is an extended version of 1963-94 rather than a shortened edit of the original 1963

Guilt Is A Useless Emotion [Blueplate Vox Edit] 4:59 is the same mix/also known as the "MARK!'s True N.O. Vox Edit"
see here https://www.discogs.com/...ion-DMD-Consumer-Version
Also some of the promos refer to the True N.O Vox and True N.O Dub as the Blueplate mixes
see here https://www.discogs.com/...-Useless-Emotion-Remixes





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