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uberpsycho  
#1 Posted : 10 July 2013 02:53:09(UTC)
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It's no secret that Sumner is not exactly the most oblique of lyricists in popular music but I've always held the opinion (and part of the reason I'm such a fan of New Order) that his lyrics and expressions have an undeniable charm to them, even if many of them do come off as silly-sounding Smile .

What are some of your favorite (and unfavorite) lyrics from New Order?

I've always liked the first verse of "Vanishing Point", there's a certain mystery and dreaminess to it, both musically and in imagining the lyric. Ditto for the second verse.

Grow up children, don't you suffer
At the hands of one another
If you like a sleeping demon
Listen can you hear him weeping
Tears of joy and tears of sorrow
He buys love to sell tomorrow


The first verse in "Angel Dust" sounds like an almost surreal retelling of The Last Supper, and has a potency in its lyrics. A parable perhaps?

What shall I say
I fear you will betray me
How many ways
Can you prolong this tragedy
Who told you that I would be back
You came here to seize my freedom
I will send you falling slowly
To the earth I see below me


The worst (and best!) to me is "Sooner than you Think", it's actually so cheesy you can't help but laugh at it....Ya gotta love the way their minds work!

Your country is a wonderful place
It pales my England into disgrace
To buy a drink that is so much more reasonable
I think I'll go there when it gets seasonable






....My apologies if this has been done before. The search function on this forum does not work well at all.

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#2 Posted : 10 July 2013 03:05:41(UTC)
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Yeah that reasonable / seasonable stuff got me too. People go on about Low-Life but for me the second side's way inferior - dull then average then about wanking then the full horror of Face Up.
I always liked the lyrics to Round and Round, True Faith and TLU - in fact those were the first songs I heard. After that I was collecting and while I loved purchasing regular slabs of vinyl I used to cringe at lyrics like 'Deprivation / Death inflation' or 'I like that kinda stuff, it beats arithmetic'. Special mention to the ending of 'Your Silent Face' and the start of 'Every Little Counts' but that's part of the charm.
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#3 Posted : 10 July 2013 07:45:46(UTC)
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best = true faith, vanishing point
worse = everthing elseTongue
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#4 Posted : 10 July 2013 11:12:51(UTC)
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I think the Technique and Republic albums have superb, thoughtful, generally well written lyrics from Bernard.

As far as songs go, I think that Blue Monday, True Faith, Temptation, BLT, Angel Dust, Crystal, WFTSC, I'll Stay With You, Special, Vanishing Point, Round and Round, This Time of Night, Sunrise, TPK, Touched By the Hand of God, and Here To Stay all have great lyrics.

Worst lyrics....Rock the Shack, Primitive Notion (music for this tune is amazing though), Dracula's Castle....I am sure there are more.
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#5 Posted : 12 July 2013 23:33:49(UTC)
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Yeah I always thought Primitive Notion would be equal to Sunrise, maybe even 24 Hours, if he'd written stronger lyrics. And Republic is strong lyrically, weak musically.

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#6 Posted : 13 July 2013 05:19:11(UTC)
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We could stop at a grocery store...
...in a single breath, this world is gone...
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#7 Posted : 13 July 2013 05:53:33(UTC)
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My favorites include --

I wouldn't even trust you
I've not got much to give
We're dealing in the limits
And we don't know who with
You may think that I'm out of hand
That I'm naive, I'll understand
On this occasion, it's not true
Look at me, I'm not you

and...

I've watched your face for a long time
It's always the same
I've studied the cracks and the wrinkles
You were always so vain
But now you live your life like a shadow
In the pouring rain

and...

Oh, I'd tear you out of heaven
And I'd tear you out of hell
And I'd see your life in ruins
Because mine lies there as well
And I'd cry out in my loneliness
While you sleep in your peace
But you'll never see my face again
While I need words like these

As for the worst....

He crossed that picket line
In trouble all the time
Where did it all go wrong
House music all night long


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#8 Posted : 13 July 2013 13:23:51(UTC)
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I think the lyrics for Procession are absolutely brilliant:


There is no end to this
I have seen your face
But I don't recognize all these things
You must have kept behind
It's a problem, you know
That's been there all your life
I try to make you see the world without you
That just turned black and white
At night it gets cold and
You'd dearly like to turn away
An escape that fails
Makes the wounds that time won't heal alone
Alone, alone, alone.

There is no end to this
I can't turn away
Another picture but the scene
It's still the same
There is no room to move
Or try to look away
Remember, life is strange
Life keeps getting stranger every day
A mass of harmless attitudes
A type that won't subside
No matter what they say
You knew your heart beats you late at night
Your heart beats you late at night
Your heart beats you late at night
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ROCKET MICK on 15/07/2013(UTC)
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#9 Posted : 14 July 2013 12:22:58(UTC)
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Bernard's recent 2000+ era lyrics are more "professional", and it seems like he is more proud of them than his 80s work... but the newer stuff seems so formulaic/mundane and full of clichés. The older stuff I view as obtuse/quirky with possible subtle meanings, while the newer stuff just seems straight up simple and sometimes bordering on inane. Maybe it is all inane and I'm just remembering the older songs more fondly. But then I liked New Order in the first place because it lacked the posturizing and faux poetry of much of pop music.

I wonder how much 80s New Order helped influence the style of indirect song writing that because common later in late 80s, early 90s indie rock, such as Pixies, Pavement, Guided By Voices, etc...
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#10 Posted : 15 July 2013 01:09:52(UTC)
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Good point. In the 80s they'd thrash things around live and in the studio till they were ready, hence the fun but (cos?) haphazard nature of the gigs 'n' lyrics. In '93 The Other Two said they missed the more spontaneous nature of the old days. There really are a LOT of clichés in his later texts - 'I'll Stay With You', easily my favourite from 'Lost Sirens', is one cliché after another. Googlin', anyone?
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#11 Posted : 23 July 2013 13:01:04(UTC)
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agree all of procession's lyrics are great especially

I can't turn away
Another picture but the scene
It's still the same

mind you i hear that as

I can turn away
Another picture but the scene
Is still the same

which on the first line makes much more sense. also World. especially the start

I turn sideways to the sun
keep my thoughts from everyone
it's a jungle, I'm a freak
hear me talk but never speak

worst? goddam it, is it sabotage with this monstrosity

I'm a capable person, free to roam
i don't need a curtain when i'm at home.

ironiclly he sings that bit really well, perhaps some of his best ever going down from caaaaaaapable person!

as for overall quality though, I think the album twisted tenderness has the best set of lyrics he's ever done across a whole album.
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#12 Posted : 23 July 2013 14:28:33(UTC)
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ZASmusic wrote:
I think the Technique and Republic albums have superb, thoughtful, generally well written lyrics from Bernard.


Totally agree with that.
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ROCKET MICK on 24/07/2013(UTC)
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M1 wrote:
ZASmusic wrote:
I think the Technique and Republic albums have superb, thoughtful, generally well written lyrics from Bernard.


Totally agree with that.


Thank you! I think both album, in terms of lyrics, work thematically as well. Technique is the party, Republic is the come down. I love the worn out, weary, somewhat sad lyrics of Republic.
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ROCKET MICK on 24/07/2013(UTC)
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#14 Posted : 25 July 2013 09:17:03(UTC)
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ZASmusic wrote:
M1 wrote:
ZASmusic wrote:
I think the Technique and Republic albums have superb, thoughtful, generally well written lyrics from Bernard.


Totally agree with that.


Thank you! I think both album, in terms of lyrics, work thematically as well. Technique is the party, Republic is the come down. I love the worn out, weary, somewhat sad lyrics of Republic.


Party?

Technique "...ain't no holiday". Listen more closely and you'll realize most of it's about relationships ending.

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ROCKET MICK on 25/07/2013(UTC)
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#15 Posted : 25 July 2013 16:15:22(UTC)
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Never had an interest in lyrics, prefered bass.

This open book
Waiting to be read.
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ROCKET MICK on 26/07/2013(UTC)
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#16 Posted : 25 July 2013 21:09:19(UTC)
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'such a good thing' captures a child's anticipation for a football game very nicely. "close range" takes me back as well . 'behind closed doors' is seductive . ' temptation's words are sublime . when i want something profound i guess there is bob dylan, john lennon, or , paul simon or paul mccartney, but the songs of danny kirwan and his earlier fleetwood mac songs, and bernard sumner/ neworder/electronic/bad lieutenant usually occupy 99 % of each day
We're like kestrels
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#17 Posted : 31 July 2013 19:00:31(UTC)
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These are my favourite lyrics:

Touched by the Hand of God:

I was standing by the ocean when I saw your face
I couldn't look at you
I guess you knew it but I never realized
That we were through

I never hoped to do the things in this world
I wanted to
Because everything I own
It belongs to you

I never looked at you in a sexual way
In my life before
And I've never woken up like this
So desperately before

Those verses are just amazing, never thought they would end up describing something that actually happened to me. I think the older I've become the more I appreciate Barney's lyrics.

Round and Round:
ou think I am crazy, but what can I do
You waste your time, like my money
It ain't so funny, but it's true
(Don't waste my money, baby)
Now you can't tell me what's going on
And that I am weak while you are strong
What is it you need, that makes your heart bleed
Do you really know? 'Cause it doesn't show


Also Republic is full of top quality lyrics

The worst?

Shellshock, Subculture (the remix with the backing singers, I think its the way Barney sings it) also anything from the newer albums just isn't as good as the old stuff.

Special mention to Young Offender with this absolute beauty

We're strong, we do our thing
Let the world cry, watch the birds sing
Give me the freedom, I need to recover
Words cannot heal, when a line is your lover
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ROCKET MICK on 02/08/2013(UTC)
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#18 Posted : 06 August 2013 07:56:26(UTC)
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... paul mccartney...

Yes. My fave Macca lyrics are from 'Press':

Oklahoma Was Never Like This...
Never Like This,
It Was Never Like This.
Ever Like This,
Tell Me Was It Ever Like This?
Oklahoma Was Never Like Thi-i-i-i-is...
Oh, It Was Never Like This!

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Michael Monkhouse wrote:
Good point. In the 80s they'd thrash things around live and in the studio till they were ready, hence the fun but (cos?) haphazard nature of the gigs 'n' lyrics. In '93 The Other Two said they missed the more spontaneous nature of the old days. There really are a LOT of clichés in his later texts - 'I'll Stay With You', easily my favourite from 'Lost Sirens', is one cliché after another. Googlin', anyone?


I concur, especially around the time of Thieves like Us, Low Life etc. probably everything that turned up as a studio release was in one way or another taken on the road, demoed, recorded and taken back into the studio at some point. The lyrics weren't planned, maybe Pernod induced !

There was certainly none of this rhyming of words at the end of each line..

My tuppence worth anyhow, but interesting comments from all.
slow down.
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ROCKET MICK on 08/08/2013(UTC)
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Avalanche.
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Andy Thank you! I think both album, in terms of lyrics, work thematically as well. Technique is the party, Republic is the come down. I love the worn out, weary, somewhat sad lyrics of Republic. [/quote wrote:


Party?

Technique "...ain't no holiday". Listen more closely and you'll realize most of it's about relationships ending.


Agreed. I remember when Republic came out, and when I stopped laughing at the fact I'd waited four fucking years for this half-assed over-hyped Eurodiscopap, I noticed people considered it the downer after the upper. Steve himself told Select, 'With Technique the garden was all rosy, with Republic it was bad vibes all round.' But Technique is hardly Spiceworld is it? Back in my petentious little cunt days (now I'm a pretentious big cunt) it was precisely the dark aspect that appealed to me. I didn't agree with the common verdict of Republic as 'their most exquisitely doom-laden opus since Closer', more their most lack-lustre effort since - well, ever with the possible exception of Movement. Mind you, I had tolerated One True Passion, all bluster and no tunes!
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themightyspang wrote:
I turn sideways to the sun
keep my thoughts from everyone
it's a jungle, I'm a freak
hear me talk but never speak

worst? goddam it, is it sabotage with this monstrosity

I'm a capable person, free to roam
i don't need a curtain when i'm at home.


Yeah, World reverses the usual formula of hesitant lyrics, strong orchestration.
Sorry to be a trainspotting geeky little buttface, but that lyric's from Player in the League aka Field. It's still shit though.
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"Crows! Crows! Crows! I hate them!" From Murder


Ha! i've only just made the connection about murder and crows nearly 30 years after the song was released .The track has the sample from Caligula ( was that the film the sample's from? Not sure) about crows. A group of crows is of course a murder, a murder of crows.I'm so slow sometimes.

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...And Hal from 2001: A Space Odyssey. I tried to watch that film once then decided I would rather be beaten across the eyes with a breezeblock doused in acid.
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Every single word of Dracula's Fookin Castle...
"Fook me, I'm famous!"
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