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#501 Posted : 25 November 2020 07:56:41(UTC)
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Enjoy!

It's awesome...
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Wow, hearing a lot of guitar detail i'd never picked up on before on Lonesome Tonight on the remastered Thieves Like Us 12" .Bought a pair of Sony WH-1000XM3 headphones recently (and £240 lighter for it no less, ouch.Had to buy some top of the range noise cancelling headphones though to cancel out noisy neighbours) and playing the remastered Lonesome Tonight on a Pro-Ject Essential 2 turntable with an Ortofon OM20 stylus through a Cambridge Audio Alva Duo pre-amp on the new headphones the sound is very, VERY detailed and crystal clear.Crikey, there's so much guitar detail on the remastered version i'd never heard in 36+ years.Also hearing one or two things on the remastered Confusion 12" i'd never picked up on before.

On the remastered Blue Monday 12" on the new headphones, Bernard's vocal sounds ever so slightly teeny weeny bit to the left.Not massively so but enough to notice.Definitely not the settings on the headphones or anything else as all other tracks i play the vocal is dead centre.Anybody else finding or noticing that?

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Wow, hearing a lot of guitar detail i'd never picked up on before on Lonesome Tonight on the remastered Thieves Like Us 12" .Bought a pair of Sony WH-1000XM3 headphones recently (and £240 lighter for it no less, ouch.Had to buy some top of the range noise cancelling headphones though to cancel out noisy neighbours) and playing the remastered Lonesome Tonight on a Pro-Ject Essential 2 turntable with an Ortofon OM20 stylus through a Cambridge Audio Alva Duo pre-amp on the new headphones the sound is very, VERY detailed and crystal clear.Crikey, there's so much guitar detail on the remastered version i'd never heard in 36+ years.Also hearing one or two things on the remastered Confusion 12" i'd never picked up on before.

On the remastered Blue Monday 12" on the new headphones, Bernard's vocal sounds ever so slightly teeny weeny bit to the left.Not massively so but enough to notice.Definitely not the settings on the headphones or anything else as all other tracks i play the vocal is dead centre.Anybody else finding or noticing that?


i plan on getting on the remastered 12 inches for this, and the other 4 too all in one go someday.

do the digital downloads have the same issue? if someone looks at the waveforms, they could
see if there is some panning going on with the vocals.

if and when i ever get them, i could check.

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^ May try and do a vinyl rip when get time of the Blue Monday remastered 12” and send it to you , negzy , see if you can confirm with your waveform palavahh if the vocal is indeed slightly to the left channel. Haven’t tried the comparing the digital version yet
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On the remastered Blue Monday 12" on the new headphones, Bernard's vocal sounds ever so slightly teeny weeny bit to the left.Not massively so but enough to notice.Definitely not the settings on the headphones or anything else as all other tracks i play the vocal is dead centre.Anybody else finding or noticing that?


i plan on getting on the remastered 12 inches for this, and the other 4 too all in one go someday.

do the digital downloads have the same issue? if someone looks at the waveforms, they could
see if there is some panning going on with the vocals.

if and when i ever get them, i could check.

later
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Occurred to me today it could be another issue and not an issue with the 2020 remaster.

On the back of my pre-amp there's a knob for panelling the volume to the left or to the right as the listener requires depending on where they are sitting in relation to the speakers.So i first checked that hadn't been nudged by me at some point.It hadn't and was dead centre , you can feel it slot in when you turn it to the dead centre.So it wasn't that.Next i wondered if there was an issue with the stylus and/or cartridge on my turntable.Checked all the micro connections into the back of the cartridge and they were all in tight.

I played the digital version of BM 2020 remaster on Amazon Music and there was maybe a very slight emphasis of the vocal to the left channel but very hard to say for definite, certainly not as clear as on the vinyl.But when i played BM on the 2005 singles CD the vocal is dead centre, no problems whatsoever.I don't know what to conclude.I can rip the vinyl of my 2020 remastered BM and send it to you to see if your waveform stuff can confirm or dispel any problem.Though my vinyl capture software is quite primitive and any issue may not show up in your waveform software? I'd be really interested to solve this mystery.If nothing else but to see if there's a problem with my turntable (though not finding an issue with other vinyl) or pre amp or even my ears.

Edit: oh hang on, if there is an issue with my stylus and/or cartridge or something else and not the BM remaster, the vinyl capture will just record the sound it recieves.With a vinyl capture you may pick up that the vocal is to the left but it wouldn't be conclusive if the problem is with the remaster or my equipment.Bugger.

Edit 2: Unless, unless... i ripped 2 different records?? If i also ripped say, my original 12" of Blue Monday too.If the left channel emphasis showed up on the 2020 remaster but not on the original then you could conclude the fault is with the remaster not my equipment?

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Haven't played the box set myself, only the digital download and got both DVDs ripped to a hard drive, but people seem to be noticing some other audio (and graphic) issues on Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/...nd-Lies/reviews#c1628893

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I thought I noticed a slight slowing of Your Silent Face on the CD too (starts to sound a touch flat before the fade out) - not sure if also present on the vinyl though. Was it always there even in '83?

Guess it's always a risk with this remastering business - a couple of the Pet Shop Boys Further Listenings have slightly different versions of tracks. Guess the ultimate "definitives" of the main albums will always be those first released!
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I thought I noticed a slight slowing of Your Silent Face on the CD too (starts to sound a touch flat before the fade out) - not sure if also present on the vinyl though. Was it always there even in '83?



Gave YSF on the CD a spin . Doesn’t appear to slow down towards the end on my copy, or at least not that I could tell. Still, weird that other people are reporting that it does . A strange one, that.
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I finally bought this (alcohol was involved). The box is nice. The book looks lovely. I've listened to side A of the record and it sounds different to my recollection of the original pressing — which I listen to regularly. I think it's an improvement, especially "We all Stand", which is my least favourite track, I heard stuff I hadn't noticed before. Also on 586 (the other track I don't care for that much). Haven't listened closely to side B yet, but I didn't notice any slow down for YSF (I was in the room next door at the time though).

The DVDs… well, they're packed tightly aren't they? I noticed some bending of the cardboard for DVD 1 when I first got it out of the box, from whoever put the insert in I guess. And I can see why: as I'm writing this I still haven't managed to prise the damn disc out!

Edit: hang on did someone say something about a download code? Where is that hidden?

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The DVDs… well, they're packed tightly aren't they? I noticed some bending of the cardboard for DVD 1 when I first got it out of the box, from whoever put the insert in I guess. And I can see why: as I'm writing this I still haven't managed to prise the damn disc out!

Edit: hang on did someone say something about a download code? Where is that hidden?


Instead of trying to pull the inner case of the DVD out , turn it upside down and shake it out.

There were no download codes .
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Boxset down to £78 on Amazon UK for anyone who hasn't got it yet - lowest price I've seen it.
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I can't recall if this was covered back in the day when the PC&L box first came out (likely not, as it's audio geekery).

I've noticed the following tracks on the first DVD are highly likely mastered in mono as opposed to stereo, specifically:

Blue Monday (BBC Top Of The Pops, London 1983) 3:57
Confusion (Countdown 1983) 5:01
Age Of Consent (Switch 1983) 4:35
Blue Monday (Switch 1983) 5:23
Thieves Like Us (BBC Top Of The Pops 1984) 3:25
Your Silent Face (The Hacienda, Manchester) 6:47
5 8 6 (The Hacienda, Manchester) 6:25

+ possibly the rest of the 'Extras' stuff...?

Can anyone 'in the know' (JJ?) possibly confirm this?

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I can't recall if this was covered back in the day when the PC&L box first came out (likely not, as it's audio geekery).

I've noticed the following tracks on the first DVD are highly likely mastered in mono as opposed to stereo, specifically:

Blue Monday (BBC Top Of The Pops, London 1983) 3:57
Confusion (Countdown 1983) 5:01
Age Of Consent (Switch 1983) 4:35
Blue Monday (Switch 1983) 5:23
Thieves Like Us (BBC Top Of The Pops 1984) 3:25
Your Silent Face (The Hacienda, Manchester) 6:47
5 8 6 (The Hacienda, Manchester) 6:25

+ possibly the rest of the 'Extras' stuff...?

Can anyone 'in the know' (JJ?) possibly confirm this?

Cheers.


Just checked and yes, they were supplied mono, Minneapolis too. The rest are stereo.

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It looks like the official 'Countdown' YouTube channel have finally posted the band's appearance on the show performing 'Confusion'.


This is exactly the same version as the one that appears on the 'PC&L' boxset.
I was hoping they'd post the 'second take' of this instead (which I think is the version that was broadcast on the radio, not TV).

A few months back they posted the elusive 'third take' of 'Blue Monday', so they do have form.

Johnny James - is the second take of 'Confusion' in the archives? If so, is it any good? Presumably you picked the best version for the box set.
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The other take is very similar, I think there were aspects of it I preferred (marginally better camerawork I think), but overall we used the one that was better.
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Thanks JJ!

Would be great to see it.
Maybe that ‘Countdown’ channel might post it at some point.
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