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Mr Discography  
#26 Posted : 01 February 2021 08:32:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post

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There was a 4:28 edit of Sunrise in this compilation too:

Can't recall offhand if it's just a fade-out.



Yep - it's an early fade. It starts to fade out just after Bernard starts his (vaguely incomprehensible) last vocal segment and finishes pretty much as soon as he delivers his last line.


There's actually a little bit of extra music between the first "chorus" (assuming those synth chords count as a chorus without any lyrics) and before the second "Why did you never speak my name...' verse. It's shortened on 'Low-life'
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#27 Posted : 01 February 2021 09:10:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

There's actually a little bit of extra music between the first "chorus" (assuming those synth chords count as a chorus without any lyrics) and before the second "Why did you never speak my name...' verse. It's shortened on 'Low-life'


You're right! Well spotted, sir!

I wonder if there are other bits cut out of the Edit earlier in the mix; according to my iTunes, that 'lead in' to the second verse starts at 2:37 on the LP version and at 2:08 on the Edit, which seems to point to something missing earlier on in the Edit.

As you pointed out, the lead in to the second verse is shorter on the LP version (13 seconds, 2:37-2:50) compared to the Edit (25 seconds, 2:08-2:33).

If I was a cleverer man, I could do some sort of graphical analysis of the two tunes. But I'm a bit of a 'thickie', so I won't. Smile
If anyone else wants to give it a go, I'd be interested to see the results.

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#28 Posted : 01 February 2021 15:58:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

There's actually a little bit of extra music between the first "chorus" (assuming those synth chords count as a chorus without any lyrics) and before the second "Why did you never speak my name...' verse. It's shortened on 'Low-life'


You're right! Well spotted, sir!

I wonder if there are other bits cut out of the Edit earlier in the mix; according to my iTunes, that 'lead in' to the second verse starts at 2:37 on the LP version and at 2:08 on the Edit, which seems to point to something missing earlier on in the Edit.

As you pointed out, the lead in to the second verse is shorter on the LP version (17 seconds, 2:37-2:50) compared to the Edit (25 seconds, 2:08-2:33).

If I was a cleverer man, I could do some sort of graphical analysis of the two tunes. But I'm a bit of a 'thickie', so I won't. Smile
If anyone else wants to give it a go, I'd be interested to see the results.




Seem to recall the single, slow, low synth notes right at the start play for a shorter time before Hooky's bass starts up on the Debut Magazine version. So the intro is shorter, but the music before verse two is longer, with the early fade making it shorter overall than the Low-life version
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#29 Posted : 01 February 2021 16:39:26(UTC)
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I was able to sync up the two and play them at the same time.

While the music bed is largely the same for both, the instrumental rough mix adds more guitar riffing where the vocals would start.

Also, it's obvious they edited together different takes, because the beat goes out of sync in a couple of sections of the instrumental mix, but then gets back in sync for other sections. The most obvious place is the guitar scrape into the full band. The instrumental take is not double-tracked, and runs a split second too long.

Oh, and the obvious faster fade.

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Remembered I have this. Not of much interest but an official release if nothing else. Album called Like A Girl, I Want You To Keep Coming. One New Order track included - a live version of Sister Ray ( ok a cover version, not a NO song) recorded in Sao Paulo 1st Dec 1988. Bought the CD sometime around 1989 I think.

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#31 Posted : 02 February 2021 00:34:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
I was able to sync up the two and play them at the same time.

While the music bed is largely the same for both, the instrumental rough mix adds more guitar riffing where the vocals would start.

Also, it's obvious they edited together different takes, because the beat goes out of sync in a couple of sections of the instrumental mix, but then gets back in sync for other sections. The most obvious place is the guitar scrape into the full band. The instrumental take is not double-tracked, and runs a split second too long.

Oh, and the obvious faster fade.


Thanks for doing this.
I should mention though that we were talking about the ‘edit’ version that was on the 10” LP given away with ‘Debut’ magazine, issue 11:

https://www.discogs.com/...-Issue-11/release/917525

rather than the ‘instrumental rough mix’ given away with the ‘Discreet Campaigns’ cassette magazine:

https://www.discogs.com/...-Campaigns/master/400971

Despite comments on that top Discogs link, the ‘edit’ version isn’t an instrumental, but a vocal version.


That being said, I hadn’t noticed the beat going out of sync. I’ll give the ‘instrumental rough mix’ another listen today and listen out for the bits you refer to. Thanks for the info..
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#32 Posted : 02 February 2021 00:44:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
Remembered I have this. Not of much interest but an official release if nothing else. Album called Like A Girl, I Want You To Keep Coming. One New Order track included - a live version of Sister Ray ( ok a cover version, not a NO song) recorded in Sao Paulo 1st Dec 1988. Bought the CD sometime around 1989 I think.

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Although I first heard about this LP whilst reading a Record Collector article in 1990-1, I only got hold of it about 2-3 years ago.

It’s a pretty intriguing little curiosity, with a distinctly odd choice for the New Order track. ‘Sister Ray’? If you wanted to include a track by the band, you’d think they’d have picked something a bit better known and more representative of their sound.

I will also say that I really hate both the cover art and the name of the compilation. It seems like they were trying to be ‘edgy’ and controversial.

Still, an interesting oddity.

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#33 Posted : 02 February 2021 01:23:17(UTC)
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^ Yep, always thought that myself about that CD. Horrible title and horrible artwork!
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#34 Posted : 02 February 2021 01:29:38(UTC)
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Got it; great audio, hopefully the full gig would be featured on the Technique box? All of those shows in Brazil were recorded

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#35 Posted : 02 February 2021 05:18:34(UTC)
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All of those shows in Brazil were recorded


Soundboard recordings? Wow. Didn't know that.

I guess it makes sense that most of the later gigs would've been recorded.

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#36 Posted : 03 February 2021 02:56:00(UTC)
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You're still Out Of My League.
I used to be a vinyl completist and only bought other formats if they had exclusives - so I didn't ''''need'''' the Regret CD but tracked down all the RIAD releases. I gave up years ago for practical reasons (storage, moving house etc), plus I was sick of London's oldie to newbie rate. I'm nowhere near as passionate as I used to be, and YouTube has the proverbiale kitchen sink.
Didn't bother with the Redpubelick CD cos there was nothing on it except the (mediocre) album, which they'd already done to death.
I got the Video 586 12" and yeah, It had As You Said on the Bside and a postcard of the same image as the Fart and Sole box shit, which came out at the same timeish. The CD just had the Aside. The funny part is I've never played it cos I didn't have a turntable and when I left the country I left it with my ''''''''family'''''''', so it's probably been chucked out. I only had the Featuremist edit and didn't hear the full version till the Be Music compilation a year ago.
I read that Record Collector article too and assumed the Sister Ray was the One I had on the Demos, Outtakes and Rarities cassette, but it ain't. I'd rather have this than another Blue Monday mic but you're right, the title and cover are trying too hard. There was also an Oz's Live and Dangerous mix (not really a mix) on the New Order The Remix boot, and of course the BBC Radio 1 Live release.
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#37 Posted : 04 February 2021 00:14:13(UTC)
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Come to think (that's my brain in reverse), I also got the JD flexi through mail order, featuring the instrumental, which wasn't compiled till Tart and Hole, plus the 1990 Cumfusion 12". In fact I had pretty much all the vinyl from JD through those iffy off-shoots to Raise the Pisser, and it'd be worth about a Grand, especially after Factory went bust, but even if it hasn't been chucked out, poor condition has an enormous effective on value. I'd only spend the money on Special Brew and whores anyway.
Then there was the Record Mirror Subculture mix, but without the actual mag, and again, it's in poor nick. I picked it up at the local flea market, with another freebie featuring the Per Shop Boys' In the Night. Arthur Baker transformed that track.

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#38 Posted : 05 February 2021 07:51:00(UTC)
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this one is still around, and not that hard to find, palatine lane, with the intermedes... or the happy one.
you can digitally create it by combining them from here or the laserdisc:

https://www.discogs.com/...tine-Lane/release/435836

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Various ‎– Palatine Lane
Label:
Factory ‎– FAC 303
Format:
CD, Promo, Compilation
Country:
France
Released:
1991
Genre:
Electronic, Rock
Style:
Synth-pop, Indie Rock
Tracklist
1 –New Order Intermede Musical N°1 0:34
2 –Joy Division Transmission 3:39
3 –New Order Intermede Musical N°2 0:19
4 –A Certain Ratio Shack Up 3:16
5 –New Order Intermede Musical N°3 0:17
6 –Stockholm Monsters Partyline 5:52
7 –New Order Intermede Musical N°4 0:19
8 –Northside (2) Rising Star 6:29
9 –New Order Intermede Musical N°5 0:19
10 –Cath Carroll Moves Like You 4:13
11 –New Order Intermede Musical N°6 1:00
Total Time: 26:17


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#39 Posted : 05 February 2021 07:55:50(UTC)
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Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf... Frown
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#40 Posted : 05 February 2021 08:29:52(UTC)
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I don't have this. And I'm not sure why.

Edit - I do now. Just purchased a (hopefully) mint copy on Discogs. £30 inc. postage.
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#41 Posted : 05 February 2021 08:47:13(UTC)
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I love the fact that they couldn't even be arsed to complete the Happy One but still gave it THREE airings: Other Side of Midnight, Substance 89 and Palatine Lane. Then there was Let's Go, which they considered too weak for an album featuring Face Up, and then used for Salvation, 1963-95, US Best Of and the Brotherhood remaster. It's clear they put it on the Best Of not cos it is indeed worthy, but cos it was the closest they could get to a newbie - like Hellbent on Scrotal. It's the same mentality that puts unreleased tracks on Hits Compilations (DUH) or Move Over Miss L on The John Lennon Collection: hardly 'Plastic Ono Band' fodder but the bastards knew fans would be missing a five-year-old Bside.
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Since we're talking about promos and stuff here, I have to say the radio edit for Restless remains my favourite version, so much better than both single, album and extended versions any time.
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I love the fact that they couldn't even be arsed to complete the Happy One but still gave it THREE airings


Pretty sure that was down to Tony Wilson, who loved it. He found a way to get it out there even though it wasn't finished.
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Tony was a magnificent human being. Sorely missed.
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I don't have this. And I'm not sure why.

Edit - I do now. Just purchased a (hopefully) mint copy on Discogs. £30 inc. postage.


this thread might end up costing a fortune, if people start buying things,

i'll take the blame.

but i do like when people point out things that i don't have, as long as they are relatively cheap.

the brotherhood box was kind of expensive, and i'm sure the other items brought up will set
me back a lot too, but thats from me not knowing about them, or not having the funds to
get the items when they came out.

a lot of them are promo items, which would have never been in most stores anyways.

or in foreign countries, and magazines, or stores... your mileage may vary.

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Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf... Frown



hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there
for purchase.

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i'll take the blame.



So you should! Big Grin

You've spurred me into action!

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Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf... Frown



hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there
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Yes I hope. I'm pretty sure this CD is very near another promo CD in a cardboard sleeve. I think it's a Revenge CD (true passion 2.0 sampler...).
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Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf... Frown



hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there
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Yes I hope. I'm pretty sure this CD is very near another promo CD in a cardboard sleeve. I think it's a Revenge CD (true passion 2.0 sampler...).



i've taken out tons of cd's from card sleeves and put them in other cases,
and with other cd's, it's driving me crazy trying to find them now.

especially with the 3 inch ones.

luckily i keep all the new order ones together, so i only have to go through 100 cd singles, or more to find something.
i don't mix up electronic, revenge, new order, bernard sumner, etc. then it would be a real mess.

luckily i haven't lost an actual cd, i just can't find where i put them. ha ha.

now, with these posts, i'm forced to go back and dig them out.

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speaking of the happy one, i didn't get the substance laserdisc, because i got the 'best of' later on.

but it did have the happy one on it.
https://www.discogs.com/...nce-1989/release/4770280
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New Order ‎– Substance 1989
Label:
Virgin Vision ‎– TELP-42036
Format:
Laserdisc, 12", Compilation, NTSC
Country:
Japan
Released:
21 May 1991
Genre:
Electronic
Style:
New Wave, Electro, Synth-pop
TracklistShow Credits
1 Confusion 3:57
2 The Perfect Kiss 9:29
3 Shellshock 3:15
4 Bizarre Love Triangle 3:54
5 True Faith 4:24
6 Touched By The Hand Of God 4:19
7 Blue Monday 1988 4:07
Total Time: 33:25

this is one i have:
https://www.discogs.com/...NewOrder/release/1710222

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NewOrder* ‎– (The Best Of) NewOrder
Label:
PolyGram Video ‎– POLD - 1011
Format:
Laserdisc, NTSC, Compilation
Country:
Japan
Released:
25 Jan 1995
Genre:
Electronic
Style:
Synth-pop
TracklistShow Credits
A1 TrueFaith-94
A2 Regret
A3 Run
A4 Bizarre Love Triangle
A5 Fine Time
A6 The Perfect Kiss
A7 Shellshock
A8 Confusion
A9 Blue Monday-88
B1 Round & Round-94
B2 World
B3 Ruined In A Day
B4 State Of The Nation
B5 Touched By The Hand Of God
B6 World In Motion
B7 Spooky
B8 True Faith
B9 Round & Round "Patti"

one i wish i did have, is the 'pumped full of drugs':

https://www.discogs.com/...Of-Drugs/release/5955799

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New Order ‎– Pumped Full Of Drugs
Label:
Columbia ‎– 78C58-6098, Factory ‎– 78C58-6098
Format:
Laserdisc, 12", Single Sided, NTSC, CLV
Country:
Japan
Released:
21 Aug 1985
Genre:
Electronic, Rock
Style:
Synth-pop
Tracklist
A1 Confusion 5:16
A2 Love Vigilantes 4:21
A3 We All Stand 4:34
A4 As It Is When It Was 4:54
A5 Subculture 4:40
A6 Face Up 5:26
A7 Sunrise 5:33
Encore
A8 This Time Of Night 4:54
A9 Blue Monday 7:55
Total Time: 47:33

i do have the neworder story though:

https://www.discogs.com/...er-Story/release/3890438

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NewOrder* ‎– NewOrder Story
Label:
PolyGram Video ‎– POLD-1007/8
Format:
All Media, Compilation
Laserdisc, 12", NTSC
Laserdisc, 12", Single Sided, NTSC
Country:
Japan
Released:
1993
Genre:
Electronic, Non-Music
Style:
Interview, House, Electro, Synth-pop
Tracklist
A1 –Joy Division Transmission
A2 –Joy Division Love Will Tear Us Apart
A3 –New Order Ceremony
A4 –New Order Temptation
A5 –New Order Blue Monday
A6 –New Order Touched By The Hand Of God
A7 –New Order Bizarre Love Triangle
A8 –New Order Confusion
A9 –New Order Shellshock
B1 –New Order State Of The Nation
B2 –New Order Perfect Kiss
B3 –New Order True Faith
B4 –New Order Round & Round
B5 –New Order World In Motion
B6 –New Order Fine Time
B7 –New Order Regret
C1 –New Order Temptation
C2 –New Order Everyone Everywhere
C3 –New Order Ruined In A Day
C4 –New Order World
C5 –Joy Division Atmosphere

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