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Fotz  
#226 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2020 1:50:21 PM(UTC)
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Yes, on the download version of Bernard's Renegade mix there is a guitar solo from 3.43 to 4.12 that isn't on the vinyl version.On the vinyl version the same melody in that time section is on a synth instead. The download version length is 6.25 whereas the vinyl i timed at a bit longer at around 6.31


On Bernard's Renegade instrumental there is a guitar solo from 3.22 to 4.02 on the download which doesn't appear at all on the vinyl.The download version of that mix is 6.18 whereas on the vinyl it's 6.31 again.

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#227 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2020 12:34:36 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the update Fotz.

I wonder why they were changed.

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#228 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2020 8:20:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
Yes, on the download version of Bernard's Renegade mix there is a guitar solo from 3.43 to 4.12 that isn't on the vinyl version.On the vinyl version the same melody in that time section is on a synth instead. The download version length is 6.25 whereas the vinyl i timed at a bit longer at around 6.31


On Bernard's Renegade instrumental there is a guitar solo from 3.22 to 4.02 on the download which doesn't appear at all on the vinyl.The download version of that mix is 6.18 whereas on the vinyl it's 6.31 again.



thanks, i'll have to make a note of that when i update my listings for their songs.

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#229 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2020 8:45:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the update Fotz.

I wonder why they were changed.



I suspect it's merely a mistake, no different than the variations of In a Lonely Place.

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#230 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2020 11:32:52 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the update Fotz.

I wonder why they were changed.



I suspect it's merely a mistake, no different than the variations of In a Lonely Place.



No, it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.
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#231 Posted : Wednesday, November 25, 2020 5:28:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post

it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.


Thanks, that seemed more likely to me.
It's one thing to miss spotting a mix that has a few thunderclaps a bit higher in the mix, and allowing that slip out.
It seems another entirely to miss spotting mixes that have additional guitar parts.

If we were back in the Factory days though, I'd totally believe it was a mistake. Big Grin



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#232 Posted : Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:11:11 AM(UTC)
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Well I ripped the vinyl versions of Bernard’s renegade and renegade instrumental so anyone that didn’t buy the vinyl and hadn’t heard the versions without guitar , PM me with an email address and I can send them using WeTransfer.

The rips aren’t brilliant quality as my ripping software isn’t the best but they’re fairly listenable.
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#233 Posted : Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:35:37 AM(UTC)
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I've sent you a PM.
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#234 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2020 10:10:59 AM(UTC)
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Thank you Fotz Wink

I listened to and compared the two versions of the Bernard's Renegade mix. The structures are the same. IMO, the different timings are due to the speed of the vinyl.
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#235 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2020 5:58:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: In A Noisy Place Go to Quoted Post
Thank you Fotz Wink

I listened to and compared the two versions of the Bernard's Renegade mix. The structures are the same. IMO, the different timings are due to the speed of the vinyl.


Just replayed the vinyl versions and actually, I think the verse intro just before the vocals start is four bars longer than the digital version - although I haven't double checked the digital mix yet
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#236 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2020 9:15:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: In A Noisy Place Go to Quoted Post
Thank you Fotz Wink

I listened to and compared the two versions of the Bernard's Renegade mix. The structures are the same. IMO, the different timings are due to the speed of the vinyl.


Just replayed the vinyl versions and actually, I think the verse intro just before the vocals start is four bars longer than the digital version - although I haven't double checked the digital mix yet


The extra 4 bars on the vinyl version is at the 4 minute mark where the drums drop out

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#237 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2020 11:05:07 AM(UTC)
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If anyone has access to a reasonable scanner, and also has the vinyl, any chance of a scan of the Mute sticker?
There’s a sample photo a page or so back, which gives an idea of what it’s like. Would just be nice to get an actual scan.

I just bought the FLACs of the ‘digital’ versions and thought it might be nice to have a copy of the sticker scan for the appropriate folder.




PS 10 pages of discussion of one track. Most of it positive too (although negative opinions are good too). That’s pretty decent and proves that we all still love the band.

The five of them need to take heed and start working on some other tracks. <fingers crossed>
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#238 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2020 12:37:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post

PS 10 pages of discussion of one track. Most of it positive too (although negative opinions are good too). That’s pretty decent and proves that we all still love the band.



i think it proves:
1) there's nothing else new to talk about
2) the discussion about all the tracks in power corruption lies boxset has come to an end, even though
there's a lot more to discuss there
3) the band isn't doing anything else, besides books and interviews, and not many people are talking about that

this just happened to be convenient, because its the first new/old music from them in a long time.

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#239 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2020 3:10:54 PM(UTC)
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Crikey!

Talk about being a fun-sponge.
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#240 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2020 3:47:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Crikey!

Talk about being a fun-sponge.


Yet still exhibits more enthusiasm than Skunkhouse.

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#241 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2020 5:07:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: negative1 Go to Quoted Post


i think it proves:

3) the band isn't doing anything else, besides books and interviews, and not many people are talking about that



Mm. What about THE CHRISTMAS RANGE!

https://store.neworder.c...rel/christmas-range.html

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#242 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2020 2:13:15 AM(UTC)
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Crikey!

Talk about being a fun-sponge.


Yet still exhibits more enthusiasm than Skunkhouse.



We need militant voices like MM's + others or they'll sit on their arses doing podcasts and talking about the past for the rest of their days. A mediocre single after 5 years that sounds like Sophie EllisBextor isnt a good sign and reckon that's it as far as new material goes.

I think Music Complete was done to show PH they could still do it but thats it now - pipe and slippers time.



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#243 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2020 4:34:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post

No, it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.


So those of us who paid f**k-all for the download have got a more "complete music" than those who forked out for the vinyl. Lovely.

Originally Posted by: negative1 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post

PS 10 pages of discussion of one track. Most of it positive too (although negative opinions are good too). That’s pretty decent and proves that we all still love the band.



i think it proves:
1) there's nothing else new to talk about
2) the discussion about all the tracks in power corruption lies boxset has come to an end, even though
there's a lot more to discuss there
3) the band isn't doing anything else, besides books and interviews, and not many people are talking about that

this just happened to be convenient, because its the first new/old music from them in a long time.

later
-1



I don't always agree with -1 but he has some fair points. Somewhere on here I mentioned that an AOC writing session makes the hairs on my arms stand up in a way that BAR just doesn't. I stand by that. Also thinking back to Music Complete, I don't think any of the album tracks had ten pages of thread dedicated to them, and yet most of those tracks are better than this one. Now if Unlearn This Hatred or Nothing But A Fool had just been released for the first time, I would personally be much more excited than I currently am...

Originally Posted by: BazG Go to Quoted Post

What about THE CHRISTMAS RANGE!

Haha! Hooky mentioned that Bernard realised the power of the NO name during the Bad Loo period. The branded wallets, bags and PCL socks certainly show that NO aren't afraid to cash in on the name these days.

Originally Posted by: tapebias Go to Quoted Post

We need militant voices like MM's + others or they'll sit on their arses doing podcasts and talking about the past for the rest of their days. A mediocre single after 5 years that sounds like Sophie EllisBextor isnt a good sign and reckon that's it as far as new material goes.

I think Music Complete was done to show PH they could still do it but thats it now - pipe and slippers time.


As you allude to in your own comments those militant voices probably aren't gonna stop "pipe and slippers time". I suspect Bernard et al will listen to us about as much as they listen to social media comments saying "bury the hatchet with Hooky".
If everyone said "Im not gonna buy another NO gig ticket until they release a new album", it might have an effect. But we have two hopes of that happening. And Bob Hope is already a gonner...
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#244 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2020 6:45:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post

No, it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.


So those of us who paid f**k-all for the download have got a more "complete music" than those who forked out for the vinyl. Lovely.


You got the download for free? I’m assuming from a filesharing site then? Fair play, I’ve done that many times before.

I bought the vinyl and it had a download code for the different mixes that Bernard tweaked the guitar parts on to, the “ complete music “ versions.
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#245 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2020 6:58:30 AM(UTC)
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I wouldn't disagree with what -1 is saying.

I think I was just trying to see the positives out of this. 10 pages is pretty good for a thread on these boards. There's so little being discussed 'round here these days, with only a handful of us regularly posting. Imagine if either Be A Rebel or the PC&L set hadn't been released this year. I'm not sure where our energies would've been focussed on. Probably not on these boards, sadly.

As I mentioned, all comments are good, both positive and negative. It's just great to have some discussion.


negative1 - My 'fun sponge' comment was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
I was just jokingly reacting to the fact that you'd brought me back down to Earth with a bump, using a good solid dose of 'fact'. :-)




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#246 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2020 10:08:24 AM(UTC)
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Quote:
If everyone said "Im not gonna buy another NO gig ticket until they release a new album", it might have an effect. But we have two hopes of that happening. And Bob Hope is already a gonner...



I boycotted NO gigs from 2006 and their next album was Lost Sirens so that kind of backfired and I haven't been back as it's much the same (apart from MIF).

The only thing I've bought since was Music Complete on CD. No box sets/12" reissues, or PCL socks so I'm probably not their target market. I might buy Steve's book though.
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#247 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2020 11:22:29 AM(UTC)
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Is that a short clip from a video for the song on their Facebook?

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UserPostedImage


Oh, I see...


Incoming:

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#248 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2020 11:35:35 AM(UTC)
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Ah. I just saw that on Facebook and was wondering...

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#249 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2020 5:14:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
I wouldn't disagree with what -1 is saying.

I think I was just trying to see the positives out of this. 10 pages is pretty good for a thread on these boards. There's so little being discussed 'round here these days, with only a handful of us regularly posting. Imagine if either Be A Rebel or the PC&L set hadn't been released this year. I'm not sure where our energies would've been focussed on. Probably not on these boards, sadly.

As I mentioned, all comments are good, both positive and negative. It's just great to have some discussion.


negative1 - My 'fun sponge' comment was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
I was just jokingly reacting to the fact that you'd brought me back down to Earth with a bump, using a good solid dose of 'fact'. :-)




there would still be 10 pages of discussion between just the
few people that constantly post. like us, because we talk about
little detail.

half of these pages are filled with. when is it coming out, i ordered it,
i got it, i hate it, etc........ so that's not really adding much.

as far as discussion goes, we're discussing the discussion of the discussion.
kinda meta right.

anyways, back to cataloging tracks.

later
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#250 Posted : Tuesday, December 1, 2020 2:20:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
If anyone has access to a reasonable scanner, and also has the vinyl, any chance of a scan of the Mute sticker?
There’s a sample photo a page or so back, which gives an idea of what it’s like. Would just be nice to get an actual scan.






There is a scan on the discogs entry

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