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Mr Discography  
#26 Posted : 05 September 2024 10:14:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
I still believe there's a market for a Recycle-style box set covering the Factory-era singles.

01. Ceremony
02. Procession
03. Everything's Gone Green
04. Temptation
05. Blue Monday
06. Confusion
07. Thieves Like Us
08. Murder
09. The Perfect Kiss
10. Sub-culture
11. Shellshock
12. State Of The Nation
13. Bizarre Love Triangle
14. True Faith
15. Touched By The Hand Of God
16. Blue Monday 1988
17. Fine Time
18. Round & Round
19. Run 2
20. World In Motion

20 CD singles plus a detailed discography book covering each single and showcasing the cover art, with notes by Peter Saville, the band, and any relevant parties. Many of their contemporaries have done the same - most notably Depeche Mode, with CD boxes in the '90s and '00s, and now the vinyl box sets. Include a Blu-ray with all the videos upscaled like Pet Shop Boys did with Smash.

Alternately, start adding a 3rd or even 4th CD in with the Definitive Editions.

Personally, I'm not fussed with anything beyond Republic and its 4 singles. The mid-90s were bleak.

Yes, that's a fab idea. Perfect to just cover the Factory singles - before the plethora of dance remixes really kicked in.
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#27 Posted : 05 September 2024 11:42:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post


There's a Marmion remix of The Perfect Kiss (that was unreleased), they later reworked it into a new track of their own (can't remember what it was called though).



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I've had a look through Marmion's Discogs page and can't find anything that sounds like it samples Perfect Kiss. The closest thing I found was a track called No Particular Order (-a clue in the name?) which seems to have a big nod to Uranium or Blue Monday circa 3:16, and I guess the percussion at 3:29 almost sounds like a sped up sample of the percussion from Perfect Kiss's intro. But nothing really jumps out at me as "Perfect Kiss" in this track, or indeed any of their others listed on Discogs.







Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

I wouldn't expect any more ''Blue Monday 1988' mixes to appear on the 'Technique' set - it's been covered in the re-released 12" and the 'Brotherhood' set.

I find myself agreeing. I think the Blue Monday 1988 Cassette mixes were on the same tape as the Technique demos, weren't they? But also I think by the time we get to Technique it's a different era from Blue Monday so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to include the track again.

Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.

Agreed. Do we know if these boxes will go beyond Technique anyway? (Mr Z, if you're reading?)


PS Gah, again the forum is accusing me of SPAM. Boy this is too much!
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#28 Posted : 05 September 2024 17:21:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.

Agreed. Do we know if these boxes will go beyond Technique anyway? (Mr Z, if you're reading?)


I sure hope we get box sets for Republic, GR, and WFTSC - especially Republic. I'd love to hear the demos on that Republic demo tape Hooky was planning on selling at his auction from a couple of years back, that were mysteriously pulled a few days before bidding ended...

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#29 Posted : 05 September 2024 22:51:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: daftpunk Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.

Agreed. Do we know if these boxes will go beyond Technique anyway? (Mr Z, if you're reading?)


I sure hope we get box sets for Republic, GR, and WFTSC - especially Republic. I'd love to hear the demos on that Republic demo tape Hooky was planning on selling at his auction from a couple of years back, that were mysteriously pulled a few days before bidding ended...

I recall reading on here somewhere that the plan was to do up to a combined 'Waiting For The Sirens' Call' & ''Lost Sirens' set (guess because we already have a similar boxed set for 'Music Complete'). I wonder if the sets will get that far in the end though? I hope they do.
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#30 Posted : 06 September 2024 00:53:06(UTC)
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Slightly off-topic but…

If they do go up to WFTSC for the box sets, I wonder if Republic’s box would include the unreleased Danny Tenaglia mix of ‘World (The Price of Love)’.

It wasn’t used and he turned it into one of his best loved tracks ‘Bottom Heavy’.

Anyway, Danny Tenaglia has included a snippet with Barney’s vocal on his Instagram page and it sounds pretty good. I guess the band weren’t into the New York tribal house sound back then.

https://www.instagram.co...R/?igsh=ZWgyeWMwbjczcDlp
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#31 Posted : 06 September 2024 01:43:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: EmileStrunz Go to Quoted Post

Anyway, Danny Tenaglia has included a snippet with Barney’s vocal on his Instagram page and it sounds pretty good. I guess the band weren’t into the New York tribal house sound back then.

https://www.instagram.co...R/?igsh=ZWgyeWMwbjczcDlp


That's pretty good. Sounds a decent remix. I'm unfamiliar with 'Bottom Heavy'. I'd be happy to have this remix on any boxset.
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#32 Posted : 06 September 2024 02:09:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post


There's a Marmion remix of The Perfect Kiss (that was unreleased), they later reworked it into a new track of their own (can't remember what it was called though).



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I've had a look through Marmion's Discogs page and can't find anything that sounds like it samples Perfect Kiss. The closest thing I found was a track called No Particular Order (-a clue in the name?) which seems to have a big nod to Uranium or Blue Monday circa 3:16, and I guess the percussion at 3:29 almost sounds like a sped up sample of the percussion from Perfect Kiss's intro. But nothing really jumps out at me as "Perfect Kiss" in this track, or indeed any of their others listed on Discogs.







Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

I wouldn't expect any more ''Blue Monday 1988' mixes to appear on the 'Technique' set - it's been covered in the re-released 12" and the 'Brotherhood' set.

I find myself agreeing. I think the Blue Monday 1988 Cassette mixes were on the same tape as the Technique demos, weren't they? But also I think by the time we get to Technique it's a different era from Blue Monday so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to include the track again.

Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.

Agreed. Do we know if these boxes will go beyond Technique anyway? (Mr Z, if you're reading?)


PS Gah, again the forum is accusing me of SPAM. Boy this is too much!


That's the one, sounds very similar except for the added Uranium bit, which to be honest, improves it compared to TPK one.
There wasn't much in the way of TPK samples originally, no vocals either.
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Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post

That's the one, sounds very similar except for the added Uranium bit, which to be honest, improves it compared to TPK one.
There wasn't much in the way of TPK samples originally, no vocals either.


Thanks. The chances of a remix sounding better than Perfect Kiss original were always going to be slim I guess.

Incidentally, anyone who's reading this: the bit at the end (6:32 onwards) reminds me of the end of a NO track (I think?) but I can't figure out which one. Anyone?
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#34 Posted : 06 September 2024 06:20:06(UTC)
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^ The very end of Thieves Like Us, surely?!!
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Originally Posted by: EmileStrunz Go to Quoted Post
Slightly off-topic but…

If they do go up to WFTSC for the box sets, I wonder if Republic’s box would include the unreleased Danny Tenaglia mix of ‘World (The Price of Love)’.

It wasn’t used and he turned it into one of his best loved tracks ‘Bottom Heavy’.

Anyway, Danny Tenaglia has included a snippet with Barney’s vocal on his Instagram page and it sounds pretty good. I guess the band weren’t into the New York tribal house sound back then.

https://www.instagram.co...R/?igsh=ZWgyeWMwbjczcDlp


That mix sounds absolutely incredible. Now I want to hear all of it.
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#36 Posted : 09 September 2024 15:21:53(UTC)
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Has anyone here had any photos or memorabilia of theirs featured in any of the books included in these box sets?

I’ve got a couple of photos of billboards around Manchester, advertising Technique and the Factory office covered in posters before it was renovated.

Just wondered who would be best to get in touch with regarding these, if I can find them! Johnny James?
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#37 Posted : 10 September 2024 01:52:27(UTC)
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Yep. I have the massive ‘Concert’ poster for SEC and NEC beautifully (and expensively) framed that is currently gathering dust in my garage as it’s just too big for any room in the house. (I was living in a flat with really high ceilings, but then moved in with partner)
It really needs to be seen more widely or displayed somewhere.
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Originally Posted by: Subvulture Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: EmileStrunz Go to Quoted Post
Slightly off-topic but…

If they do go up to WFTSC for the box sets, I wonder if Republic’s box would include the unreleased Danny Tenaglia mix of ‘World (The Price of Love)’.

It wasn’t used and he turned it into one of his best loved tracks ‘Bottom Heavy’.

Anyway, Danny Tenaglia has included a snippet with Barney’s vocal on his Instagram page and it sounds pretty good. I guess the band weren’t into the New York tribal house sound back then.

https://www.instagram.co...R/?igsh=ZWgyeWMwbjczcDlp


That mix sounds absolutely incredible. Now I want to hear all of it.





inspired by this, i made two different attempts with the mixes
with the world lyrics......

will post in the 'covers' thread:

http://forums.neworderon...osts&t=3575&p=3#

parts of it sound pretty good...

later
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