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#76 Posted : 08 October 2021 09:19:38(UTC)
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After taxes he'll get half or less than that.

I bet each member of New Order makes more than his post-tax haul on this year's 3 gigs.
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After taxes he'll get half or less than that.

I bet each member of New Order makes more than his post-tax haul on this year's 3 gigs.



can you imagine if they had included the legal papers,
and the tapes.

it would have easily doubled or tripled the amount.

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I'm not sure it would've doubled or tripled.

To double the £332,700 total cash made, each of the 53 withdrawn items would've had to sell for £6,277 each.

I doubt most of those items would've gone for much more than £750 a piece. To put it in perspective, even the True Faith Brit Award only made £6,000 and only six items in the auction exceeded that.
Even a conservative average of £1,000 per item would've only netted £53k.

I'm not nit-picking here, but just pointing out that, financially, he probably wouldn't have gained that much more if he had sold them.

It probably hurt his pride more than his wallet, having to withdraw those items at the 11th hour.


That being said, I'm sure he thought that selling those items might have provoked the reaction it got from the band. So, it probably didn't come as any big shock.

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Does anyone know who buys this stuff? I can almost understand buying musical instruments but £16,000 for an anvil paperweight, phew. Just seen the melodicas for £3000+ each which you can get on Ebay for £30. Maybe it was Jeremy Vine adding to his collection.

Is it just a few exceedingly rich super fans or has anyone here bought anything? The only things that might have tempted me were the tapes but still a bit risky.
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Is it just a few exceedingly rich super fans or has anyone here bought anything?


I strongly suspect that a number of items went to the super-rich. I can think of one such fan who would almost certainly have bid on a number of the 'choice' items.

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The only things that might have tempted me were the tapes but still a bit risky.


Yep. They were always going to be a risk regarding contents.
I'm not sure even Hooky knew what was categorically on each tape.
For instance, I can't see him sitting through each disc / tape saying "Yep - that's definitely New York 1986 - I can tell by the way Barney belched his way through 'In A Lonely Place'".
To be fair, Hooky did qualify some of the auctions as 'buyer beware' or similar.

This is partly the reason why I don't think each of these Lots would've raked in big money.
It's one thing to pay £6,000 on something which is quite obviously a Chris Eccleshall custom bass.
It's another thing entirely to commit the same sort of lolly on some fairly crudely labelled tapes, with only a hint at the contents.

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#81 Posted : 08 October 2021 11:42:04(UTC)
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I know the winner of Lot 403, which was withdrawn at first, until verified these were recordings of non-New Order/Joy Division gigs in Hook's possession. With fees all totaled he paid £512.

PS: he's American, and not rich.

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Does anyone know who buys this stuff? I can almost understand buying musical instruments but £16,000 for an anvil paperweight, phew.


My thoughts exactly. How could this piece of tat end up going for more than either of the two most desired/expensive basses?

I would add that there were clothing items that went for silly money. 2020's Uniqlo x Saville T-shirts for example. I think they're just listed as "Joy Division Clothing" in -1's list on the previous page here (lot 252). Six T-shirts sold for £400.
These were in the packet unworn by Hooky. Probably sent to him as freebies last year. He could have even bought them off ebay a month ago...
At full price they were about £12 each. At sale price (when I got the 'Special' one) they were about £6. Why pay £400 for them when you could have paid somewhere between £36 and £72 for the lot from Uniqlo last year? Madness!
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#83 Posted : 08 October 2021 13:45:53(UTC)
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And the 28% on top of everything too.

I'd mulled over the atari hard drive. Sold my st years ago but know folk who are still into all of that who could have extracted anything interesting off of it. A mute point though as it got pulled.
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ROCKET MICK on 07/11/2021(UTC)
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it's a impressive collection of stuff. back in the 90's, i would've made an attempt to bid for something. my collector days are over though, as i have already too much stuff as is.
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#85 Posted : 08 October 2021 20:09:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
I'm not sure it would've doubled or tripled.

To double the £332,700 total cash made, each of the 53 withdrawn items would've had to sell for £6,277 each.

I doubt most of those items would've gone for much more than £750 a piece. To put it in perspective, even the True Faith Brit Award only made £6,000 and only six items in the auction exceeded that.
Even a conservative average of £1,000 per item would've only netted £53k.

I'm not nit-picking here, but just pointing out that, financially, he probably wouldn't have gained that much more if he had sold them.

It probably hurt his pride more than his wallet, having to withdraw those items at the 11th hour.


That being said, I'm sure he thought that selling those items might have provoked the reaction it got from the band. So, it probably didn't come as any big shock.




i was actually talking about the legal papers which might have gone for UKP500,000 -> 1 million.

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#86 Posted : 08 October 2021 21:17:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tapebias Go to Quoted Post

Is it just a few exceedingly rich super fans or has anyone here bought anything?


I ended up grabbing a piece of music kit. Don’t consider myself rich per se, just in a position where I can indulge on occasion. Yes it cost a lot and even more with fees and shipping. But it'll be a nice piece of history to own. I don’t consider it an investment.

When you’re talking about the historic grail items – Eccleshall and Yamaha basses, the anvil, etc – these are often going outside the NO collecting fraternity. You’re often competing with famous musicians, high end music collectors, museum buyers, etc.
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i was actually talking about the legal papers which might have gone for UKP500,000 -> 1 million.

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Do you really think so?!

I’d put these in the curio category only, but that’s just me.
I can’t imagine there’d have been much interest at all.

I got the distinct impression that this was included as a bit of fun and a dig at the band. Not something that would make a whole heap of cash
Most of the stuff contained within would be incredibly dull and of very little interest to most and it’s not like you can really put those boxes on display.

If a guitar that wrote most of the band’s hits only reached £12k, I doubt a box of boring legal documents would exceed that.

A million quid? That’s Lennon handwritten lyrics territory.
Not dusty, stuffy, old legal paperwork fighting over who gets to keep the cat.
All in my opinion, of course.

But who knows, eh? I guess we’ll never know anymore.
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Originally Posted by: negative1 Go to Quoted Post


i was actually talking about the legal papers which might have gone for UKP500,000 -> 1 million.

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Do you really think so?!

I’d put these in the curio category only, but that’s just me.
I can’t imagine there’d have been much interest at all.

I got the distinct impression that this was included as a bit of fun and a dig at the band. Not something that would make a whole heap of cash
Most of the stuff contained within would be incredibly dull and of very little interest to most and it’s not like you can really put those boxes on display.

If a guitar that wrote most of the band’s hits only reached £12k, I doubt a box of boring legal documents would exceed that.

A million quid? That’s Lennon handwritten lyrics territory.
Not dusty, stuffy, old legal paperwork fighting over who gets to keep the cat.


Inclined to agree, I think he was shit-stirring with the legal papers. But the red thing went for £15k not £12k. (Red one was studio, black one was live?)
Also I reckon that "played the basslines" does not = "wrote most of the bands hits". If you look at Hooky's side projects, I think it's unlikely he was the chief songwriter in JD/NO, regardless of how he phrases things like "when i wrote LWTUA"...


Originally Posted by: depthcharge Go to Quoted Post


I ended up grabbing a piece of music kit. Don’t consider myself rich per se, just in a position where I can indulge on occasion. Yes it cost a lot and even more with fees and shipping. But it'll be a nice piece of history to own. I don’t consider it an investment.


You know if someone says "I won an Olympic medal" the response is probably going to be "oh really, what for?".
Similarly my response here is: really, what did you get? You're an actual forumite who took part in this and got something. Tell us more!

Originally Posted by: depthcharge Go to Quoted Post

When you’re talking about the historic grail items – Eccleshall and Yamaha basses, the anvil, etc – these are often going outside the NO collecting fraternity. You’re often competing with famous musicians, high end music collectors, museum buyers, etc.

Perhaps one of those Hooky basses will end up on the wall of a Hard Rock cafe...

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A million quid? That’s Lennon handwritten lyrics territory.



Thank fuck you said that. If I'd said it I'da got the crap ripped out of me.
They're really not that much of a saleable commodity outside the hard core NO nuts.
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Thank fuck you said that. If I'd said it I'da got the crap ripped out of me.
They're really not that much of a saleable commodity outside the hard core NO nuts.


Has anyone here ever given you grief for mentioning the Beatles?
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That was exactly the point I was making. That and I can't imagine these items going to anyone except the NO obsessives.
I thought I could get over my Beatles obsession. I should have known better.
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That was exactly the point I was making..


Huh? I don't think you get grief from anyone for mentioning the Beatles. I think it's the other 'band'...
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No comment. If that's what you want, what you really really want.
I would actually have been interested in that famed Technique demos tape that's occasionally popped up. https://www.discogs.com/...72-New-Order-Demos-Edits
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i was actually talking about the legal papers which might have gone for UKP500,000 -> 1 million.

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Do you really think so?!

I’d put these in the curio category only, but that’s just me.
I can’t imagine there’d have been much interest at all.

I got the distinct impression that this was included as a bit of fun and a dig at the band. Not something that would make a whole heap of cash
Most of the stuff contained within would be incredibly dull and of very little interest to most and it’s not like you can really put those boxes on display.

If a guitar that wrote most of the band’s hits only reached £12k, I doubt a box of boring legal documents would exceed that.

A million quid? That’s Lennon handwritten lyrics territory.
Not dusty, stuffy, old legal paperwork fighting over who gets to keep the cat.
All in my opinion, of course.

But who knows, eh? I guess we’ll never know anymore.



if a legal firm wanted to follow up on it,
it might be worth that much or more.

but as you said, we won't know.

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negative1 (or, indeed, anyone), did you happen to save a list of the selling prices for the 2019 auction?

If so, I'd like to see this, if you could possibly post here.

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if a legal firm wanted to follow up on it,
it might be worth that much or more.

but as you said, we won't know.

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Legal firms have the clout to demand what they want when they really really want. They aren't gonna be dicking about one some has-been's auction and digging out a grand just on the off chance.
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Didn't all the tapes get withdrawn last time too?

I assumed the fact he listed a load of tapes again, meant that he'd sorted whatever the problem was last time

Obviously not - time wasting git Big Grin
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Didn't all the tapes get withdrawn last time too?

I assumed the fact he listed a load of tapes again, meant that he'd sorted whatever the problem was last time

Obviously not - time wasting git Big Grin


The situation with the tapes last time was a bit weird, if I remember rightly. Some of them were withdrawn, whilst others not.

Certainly some of the Hannett reels were withdrawn (Lots 145-150, 155-157) and some weren't (Lots 153-154).
Similarly, some tapes and CDs were withdrawn (Lots 204-205), whilst some weren't (Lots 210-229, for instance).

I can't remember when these were withdrawn, but certainly the Ian/Annick letters and guitar books were 11th hour. Possibly the tapes too.

But, yeah, it does feel a little anti-climatic for 53/409 lots in the current auction to be withdrawn the evening before the event takes place.

To be honest, I don't think it was totally surprising that these were withdrawn.
Maybe, Hook was chancing it - to see if some would've made it past 'the cut'. Maybe he was trolling the band, knowing full well they'd protest.

The only thing that did surprise me was the late withdrawal, but there may be a legitimate reason for this. I don't know how these things work. Maybe a protest was put in early, but the auction house only withdrew this at the last possible moment. Perhaps negaotiations were happening up until the last moment, but they fell through.
Or maybe the band just wanted to disrupt things as best they could by leaving it to the last minute before they registered their complaint.

Anyway, I'm tempted to contact Omega and ask for a partial rebate on my catalogue. Wink



Joking aside, I just hope that all of the 'studio' stuff on the tapes has already been 'backed up' (or other copies exist) and the best of it makes it out onto the box-sets.
Similarly, with any live soundboards. I suspect that most of the live stuff on the tapes, CDs etc. are bootleg audios (rather than from the mixing desks) and are mostly nothing different from tapes circulating amongst fans.

But who knows, eh?
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Didn't all the tapes get withdrawn last time too?

I assumed the fact he listed a load of tapes again, meant that he'd sorted whatever the problem was last time

Obviously not - time wasting git Big Grin


The situation with the tapes last time was a bit weird, if I remember rightly. Some of them were withdrawn, whilst others not.

Certainly some of the Hannett reels were withdrawn (Lots 145-150, 155-157) and some weren't (Lots 153-154).
Similarly, some tapes and CDs were withdrawn (Lots 204-205), whilst some weren't (Lots 210-229, for instance).

I can't remember when these were withdrawn, but certainly the Ian/Annick letters and guitar books were 11th hour. Possibly the tapes too.

But, yeah, it does feel a little anti-climatic for 53/409 lots in the current auction to be withdrawn the evening before the event takes place.

To be honest, I don't think it was totally surprising that these were withdrawn.
Maybe, Hook was chancing it - to see if some would've made it past 'the cut'. Maybe he was trolling the band, knowing full well they'd protest.

The only thing that did surprise me was the late withdrawal, but there may be a legitimate reason for this. I don't know how these things work. Maybe a protest was put in early, but the auction house only withdrew this at the last possible moment. Perhaps negaotiations were happening up until the last moment, but they fell through.
Or maybe the band just wanted to disrupt things as best they could by leaving it to the last minute before they registered their complaint.

Anyway, I'm tempted to contact Omega and ask for a partial rebate on my catalogue. Wink



Joking aside, I just hope that all of the 'studio' stuff on the tapes has already been 'backed up' (or other copies exist) and the best of it makes it out onto the box-sets.
Similarly, with any live soundboards. I suspect that most of the live stuff on the tapes, CDs etc. are bootleg audios (rather than from the mixing desks) and are mostly nothing different from tapes circulating amongst fans.

But who knows, eh?



i saved an image of all the items.
i cant remember if i did for the descriptions too.

i'm pretty sure there are plenty of unreleased tracks, versions on the tapes.


we know there was more power corruption and lies material out there too,

i dont have any information on the prior items auction.

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