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Michael Monkhouse  
#51 Posted : 04 February 2021 00:54:37(UTC)
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It's not bad, but lacks the warmth and personality of the Technique and Electronic Bsides. Gotta have house... Music! In 1993. You can understand why they're so highly considered. Still, good to get an original track amid the endless rehashes.
I also had that Select tape and It was the first time I heard Hage's BLT. It'd be the definitive mix but the silly sod cut the second instrumental break, which is an integral part of the experience. The Trouble with Girls (classic Revenge feminism) was an exclusive take on Big Bang, one of the more listenable One True Song moments, and it eluded compilation till LTM. There was also Wende, an early Bleachman, I think. Still crud, though. Ultimately, Revenge were just a pretext to tour, though Gun World Porn is worthwhile, but they were pretty much Monaco by then. I loved the fact Hooky insisted they were a democracy with equally important members, but no one else appeared in the Pineapple Feces vid, and he shelved the whole thing for Killing Joke. I'm sure he'd've allowed Hicks the same liberty.

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#52 Posted : 04 February 2021 01:05:53(UTC)
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Yeah the “Gotta have house… Music!”was a bit ,I don’t know, I just thought it was a bit of a joke. But there’s some good synth ideas on both versions

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Michael Monkhouse  
#53 Posted : 04 February 2021 01:08:37(UTC)
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It sounds vaguely unfinished, like they were dicking about in the studio. I used to have a soft spot for those Italo synth sounds though, like World in Motion.
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#54 Posted : 04 February 2021 06:05:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
It’s been years since I heard the NO version of Vicious Circle. This is the problem with putting something exclusive on a format that was dying out even back in 1993.


i've transferred it and cleaned it up ages ago.

also here's someone else posting it:


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#55 Posted : 04 February 2021 06:10:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
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^ Ah ok, yes that 5.53 edit of the Perfecto mix isn't something i'm sure i've ever heard.The standard full length Perfecto is around 7.34 and as you state, the standard Perfecto edit indeed 4.04.

Anyone confirmed the 5.53 timing of this version? Sometimes times are misstated on sleeves. Could be just another early fade I guess.


well, i will check it out, i'm pretty sure i did when i got the cassette.

if i ever get the vinyl, i could check that too.

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#56 Posted : 04 February 2021 08:00:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
and Barney's classic "Do do do do do do" vocal as lib after the first chorus - always wondered why Hague removed such a great bit of that version from his 94 'Best Of' version


During the Substance Tour Steve played that bit on the synth, so I think Barney was copying him when he redid the vocal. I've always loved that as well.

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#57 Posted : 04 February 2021 09:09:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
It sounds vaguely unfinished, like they were dicking about in the studio. I used to have a soft spot for those Italo synth sounds though, like World in Motion.



Hooky sort of finished it by reusing his riff on Monaco's Sweet Lips.
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#58 Posted : 04 February 2021 09:26:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
There was also Wende, an early Bleachman, I think.


'Wende' was an early version of 'Slave'.
'Hot Nights, Cool City' / 'Bleachboy' was an early version of 'Bleachman'.

To paraphrase Alan Partridge, "Stop Getting Revenge Wrong!!!" Big Grin

Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
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and Barney's classic "Do do do do do do" vocal as lib after the first chorus - always wondered why Hague removed such a great bit of that version from his 94 'Best Of' version


During the Substance Tour Steve played that bit on the synth, so I think Barney was copying him when he redid the vocal. I've always loved that as well.



Yep, that's the bit that I specifically like about the mix. Oh, that and the wonderful way it ends, with the twinkling keyboard sound. Lovely stuff!
It's just a fabulous version.

I'm not always Hague's biggest fan for his work with New Order (although I love his work with other bands; PSBs for instance).
I tend to feel that he suits more 'electronic' records; not so much with songs that should use 'proper' instruments. Hence, IMHO, his work shines on that mix of BLT, World In Motion & Round & Round (the 12" is sublime). But True Faith, for instance, sounds a bit neutered to me.

Don't get me wrong, I still love that track, but the production loses some of the power for me. The drums, for instance, should be 'harder'. Live versions sound fantastic, for instance.
Well, they used to, before the song got changed to that bloody awful version that we've had since '98. No

Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
The Hague mix of BLT is also on the Married To The Mob soundtrack which I have on CD. Almost the same as the version on 'The Best Of' but has a little more reverb, and Barney's classic "Do do do do do do" vocal as lib after the first chorus - always wondered why Hague removed such a great bit of that version from his 94 'Best Of' version


Yeah, I realised that a little while after getting that Select tape. I picked up a bootleg of 'Rare Mixes' fromm a record fair in the early 90s. It had that version, plus the exclusive edits of 'Temptation' and 'True Faith' from the 'Something Wild' and 'Bright Lights, Big City' soundtracks respectively. There were other tracks too, but can't remember what ('Salvation!' tracks maybe).



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Michael Monkhouse  
#59 Posted : 04 February 2021 09:57:53(UTC)
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Sounds like you picked up The Remix CD which I mentioned. The RIAD Fazed n Dazed mix can't be official and I suspect the monger himself made it to convince completists they 'needed' it.
I'm amazed I know as much about Revenge as I do, given that they are total and utter shit. It tells you more about the state of my social '''''life'''' in 1990 than the quality of the actual music.
Yeah, Hague is essentially a pop producer and Republic is too poppy. But his BLT is tantalisingly close to the best. The funny part about the Best Of Is that I first heard TF ,Perfuckedo and 1963 95 so I thought it was Hague and he'd knocked himself out. I later discovered the 94 versions were almost exactly the same as his originals: BLT OST, and TF-63-R+R 7"s. Well worth the salary.
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Michael Monkhouse  
#60 Posted : 04 February 2021 09:59:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
It sounds vaguely unfinished, like they were dicking about in the studio. I used to have a soft spot for those Italo synth sounds though, like World in Motion.



Hooky sort of finished it by reusing his riff on Monaco's Sweet Lips.


... Whose Bside also includes Everything's Gangrene. How does he do it? What's his secret? I guess we'll never know.
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#61 Posted : 04 February 2021 10:28:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
Sounds like you picked up The Remix CD which I mentioned. The RIAD Fazed n Dazed mix can't be official and I suspect the monger himself made it to convince completists they 'needed' it.


Now that you come to mention it, I think I did pick up that Remix CD. Is it the one with the Racic mix of 'Paradise' on it? If so, I think I bought it from one of the shops inside Manchester's Corn Exchange (that building was a veritable Aladdin's Cave of interesting stores. Sadly, the IRA bomb in 1996 put an end to that).

That being said, I definitely had those exclusive soundtrack mixes on a bootleg tape first. It wasn't the best of quality. Would've got in about 1991-2. That Remix CD was from about 1994, wasn't it?


Here we go:

https://www.discogs.com/...he-Remix/release/7706942


I hadn't remembered that they were also on that CD, although they were probably my main reason for buying it, looking at the track listing. As well, as having the 'Paradise' and 'Run 2' mixes on CD.

1 Subculture (Dubvulture Mix) 8:11
2 Confusion (DMC Mix) 5:25
3 Run 2 (Extended Mix) 5:43
4 Paradise (Bounty Mix) 6:34
5 Ruined In A Day (Phased & Dazed) 4:01
6 Blue Monday (DJ Only Club Mix) 7:38
7 True Faith (Bright Lights, Big City) 5:49
8 Temptation (Wild Mix) 3:30
9 Bizarre Love Triangle (Married To The Mob Mix) 3:55
10 Megaorder (Megatrax Mix) 17:59
11 Sister Ray (Oz's Live & Dangerous Mix)

I'm sure that 'Bounty Mix' was the Racic mix. I think you're correct about the 'Phased And Dazed' mix being 'fan made', although I haven't listened to that CD in years (i'm not even sure I know where it is).



Oh, and I listened to the 'Vicious Circle' New Order mix for the first time in donkey's years today. I was pleasantly surprised I think it sounds better than the Haas mix. It's a decent little piece of music. Better than I remember it.
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Michael Monkhouse  
#62 Posted : 04 February 2021 10:33:34(UTC)
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Yeah, that's the one. I bought It in late 95 at a Cumbridge record fair. As I mentioned, It was a bit of a piss take cos all I needed were RIAD (bolox), Sister Ray Oz (never worked out which gig), Paradise (inessential) and BM (a Bonkers Beach Buggy 12").

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#63 Posted : 05 February 2021 07:38:28(UTC)
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getting back to cassettes,

i mentioned discrete campaigns in the bootleg vinyl,

but here's the pics from discogs (mines in a box somewhere)

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https://www.discogs.com/...Campaigns/release/385745

Various ‎– Discreet Campaigns
Label:
Rorschach Testing Product ‎– ror 1
Format:
Cassette, Compilation
Country:
UK
Released:
1985
Genre:
Electronic, Rock
Style:
Abstract, Industrial, Experimental, Indie Rock, New Wave, Post-Punk
TracklistShow Credits
B9 –New Order Sunrise (Instrumental Rough Mix) 5:39
Total Time: 1:21:26

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i'm not sure how i ended up buying the italian import of movement, but the local music store in the mid80's had it.
and it was just a regular store, and not one that got imports.

italian 'movement':
https://www.discogs.com/...Movement/release/1684503

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New Order ‎– Movement
Label:
Base Record ‎– FACT. 50, Base Record ‎– FAC 50 MC
Format:
Cassette, Album
Country:
Italy
Released:
1981
Genre:
Rock
Style:
New Wave
Tracklist
A1 Dreams Never End 3:07
A2 Truth 4:32
A3 Senses 4:38
A4 Chosen Time 4:05
B1 ICB 4:26
B2 The Him 5:23
B3 Doubts Even Here 4:13
B4 Denial 4:16
Total Time: 34:40

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#65 Posted : 09 February 2021 02:48:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: negative1 Go to Quoted Post
i'm not sure how i ended up buying the italian import of movement, but the local music store in the mid80's had it.
and it was just a regular store, and not one that got imports.






This reminds me that there are some hilarious black market cassette versions of New Order albums on Discogs

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#66 Posted : 09 February 2021 04:08:02(UTC)
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Not that funny.
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#67 Posted : 09 February 2021 05:17:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
Not that funny.


Oh yeah and what makes you the expert on being unfunny ?

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#68 Posted : 09 February 2021 05:42:14(UTC)
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#69 Posted : 09 February 2021 08:38:19(UTC)
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Not that funny.


Oh yeah and what makes you the expert on being unfunny ?


I think we all know he's an expert at not being funny.
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#70 Posted : 10 February 2021 15:31:36(UTC)
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here is my discreet campaigns cassette, finally found it:

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#71 Posted : 10 February 2021 15:37:55(UTC)
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got the movement cassette today, sure it's a little stained, but the insides
are in mint condition.

i might get another substance one, and experiment to see if the stain can
be taken out by bleaching, or steaming maybe... hmm..


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here is my featuremist booklet (can't find the cassette, its generic!!!!, never put the labels on it, oh well).

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i guess i should get the remaster too:

https://www.discogs.com/...ture-Mist/master/1022708


Various ‎– Feature Mist
Genre:
Electronic, Non-Music
Style:
Modern Classical, Ambient, Spoken Word, Synth-pop
Year:
1982
Tracklist
–Vladimir Mayakovsky Final Verse, "Last Poem"
–New Order Video 586 - 1
–Soliman Gamil The New Nubia
–Robert Wyatt From An Interview
–The Death And Beauty Foundation Song Of The Houseproud Ghost
–Hanns Eisler & Vladimir Mayakovsky Subbotnik
–Eric Random Meets The Bedlamites In Cassette Conference
–Simple Minds King Is White
–Tuxedomoon Shelved Dreams
–Dmitri Shostakovich Waltz From "The Bedbug"
–New Order Video 586 - 2
–Flesh Hesitate

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