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#301 Posted : 24 April 2021 20:00:52(UTC)
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The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning.
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#302 Posted : 25 April 2021 10:33:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: chronovisor Go to Quoted Post
The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning.

Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean?
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#303 Posted : 25 April 2021 10:59:53(UTC)
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The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning.

Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean?


I’m hazarding a guess but one of the pressings of Blue Monday had a missing beat right at the start and the Polish 7” edit was sourced from that version ?
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#304 Posted : 25 April 2021 11:18:32(UTC)
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The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning.

Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean?


I’m hazarding a guess but one of the pressings of Blue Monday had a missing beat right at the start and the Polish 7” edit was sourced from that version ?

Again, still not a particularly helpful description. Anywhere on YouTube anyone can point to with a vinyl grab, or at the very least a reproduction of what this version sounded like?

One of the disappointing things about last year's PCL boxset was the absence of any Blue Monday 7" edits.

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#305 Posted : 25 April 2021 11:33:08(UTC)
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The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning.

Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean?


I’m hazarding a guess but one of the pressings of Blue Monday had a missing beat right at the start and the Polish 7” edit was sourced from that version ?

Again, still not a particularly helpful description. Anywhere on YouTube anyone can point to with a vinyl grab, or at the very least a reproduction of what this version sounded like?

One of the disappointing things about last year's PCL boxset was the absence of any Blue Monday 7" edits.



How can I describe it...well, I think one version ( that I don’t have ) starts with just one “duh” beat before the machine gun duh-duh-duh-duh-duh whereas the regular version has 2 “duh” before the rapid fire . Or is it vice versa? Anyway, something like that. Actually, why should I make the effort to explain it? Chronovisor is the one who couldn’t be arsed to explain it in the first place and told half a story so why should I bother?

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#306 Posted : 25 April 2021 22:02:34(UTC)
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The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning.

Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean?


Explanation:

The original UK version was mastered and cut on 5 occasions:

One of the original editions misses the first 2 beats of the 16-bar intro being cut off due to a mastering error:

FAC-73-A-1 MT. STRAWBERRY OUT VOTED! // FAC-73-B-1 MT. HO.EL+TEL! STRAWBERRY (runoff space 0,8 cm // 1,6 cm)

And from this cut stated above the polish 7'' www.discogs.com/New-Order-Blue-Monday-Thieves-Like-Us/release/229706 and the polish single disc jockey limited edition 7'' www.discogs.com/Franek-Kimono-New-Order-Bruce-Lee-Karate-Mistrz-Blue-Monday/release/1245059 were made from.

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#307 Posted : 26 April 2021 01:40:53(UTC)
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So does this version just fade out early, or are there any other edits within it?
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#308 Posted : 26 April 2021 02:05:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: chronovisor Go to Quoted Post
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The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning.

Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean?


Explanation:

The original UK version was mastered and cut on 5 occasions:

One of the original editions misses the first 2 beats of the 16-bar intro being cut off due to a mastering error:

FAC-73-A-1 MT. STRAWBERRY OUT VOTED! // FAC-73-B-1 MT. HO.EL+TEL! STRAWBERRY (runoff space 0,8 cm // 1,6 cm)

And from this cut stated above the polish 7'' www.discogs.com/New-Order-Blue-Monday-Thieves-Like-Us/release/229706 and the polish single disc jockey limited edition 7'' www.discogs.com/Franek-Kimono-New-Order-Bruce-Lee-Karate-Mistrz-Blue-Monday/release/1245059 were made from.


We're all aware of a beat (or two) missing at the start of some pressings.
But the original question was: what's the 5.05 edit like?
Conisdering the standard version is 7.27, there must be other things missing besides a beat at the start. Can you tell us!?

Edited by user 26 April 2021 02:05:57(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#309 Posted : 26 April 2021 06:00:12(UTC)
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The last line of vocals in the full 12” version ends at 4:35. It’s probably just an early fade.
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#310 Posted : 26 April 2021 13:59:02(UTC)
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The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning.

Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean?


Explanation:

The original UK version was mastered and cut on 5 occasions:

One of the original editions misses the first 2 beats of the 16-bar intro being cut off due to a mastering error:

FAC-73-A-1 MT. STRAWBERRY OUT VOTED! // FAC-73-B-1 MT. HO.EL+TEL! STRAWBERRY (runoff space 0,8 cm // 1,6 cm)

And from this cut stated above the polish 7'' www.discogs.com/New-Order-Blue-Monday-Thieves-Like-Us/release/229706 and the polish single disc jockey limited edition 7'' www.discogs.com/Franek-Kimono-New-Order-Bruce-Lee-Karate-Mistrz-Blue-Monday/release/1245059 were made from.


We're all aware of a beat (or two) missing at the start of some pressings.
But the original question was: what's the 5.05 edit like?
Conisdering the standard version is 7.27, there must be other things missing besides a beat at the start. Can you tell us!?


Chronovisor hasn’t answered. You see what I mean about no-one ever answers the question about the Polish 7” . I’ve seen it asked many times over the years and still I’ve never seen an answer. Wow. What is it about that Polish 7” edit that makes people who own a copy , beit an actual physical copy or a digital version that makes them evasive to providing details? Bizarre

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#311 Posted : 26 April 2021 22:34:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post

One of the disappointing things about last year's PCL boxset was the absence of any Blue Monday 7" edits.


There was nothing in the tape library, so we would have had to recreate any we wanted to use. You can probably do that yourself.

I think the two edits (Japanese and Polish) were both created by the labels in those territories only so weren't actually a Factory or band created thing. The tapes for which weren't sent back over either.

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I ve uploaded the Polish 7" Edit here ..5.04mins for those who d like to hear it .

https://mp3.fastupload.co/files/1619508792
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#313 Posted : 27 April 2021 00:04:49(UTC)
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I ve uploaded the Polish 7" Edit here ..5.04mins for those who d like to hear it .

https://mp3.fastupload.co/files/1619508792


Thanks! Finally an answer. So it’s the start and end snipped off then, though I was expecting a fade out , not an abrupt stop.
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#314 Posted : 27 April 2021 00:13:53(UTC)
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I ve uploaded the Polish 7" Edit here ..5.04mins for those who d like to hear it .

https://mp3.fastupload.co/files/1619508792


Thanks! Finally an answer. So it’s the start and end snipped off then, though I was expecting a fade out , not an abrupt stop.


It is a a fade out albeit a short one .

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#315 Posted : 27 April 2021 04:08:18(UTC)
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So there you go. Well worth the 40-year wait.
The Razormaid school of mixing.
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#316 Posted : 27 April 2021 06:06:23(UTC)
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So there you go. Well worth the 40-year wait.
The Razormaid school of mixing.



Yep, just the start and end cut off, could’ve done that myself!

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... And thrown fifty quid away.
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So there you go. Well worth the 40-year wait.
The Razormaid school of mixing.



Yep, just the start and end cut off, could’ve done that myself!


Apologies for shattering your illusions Fotz ..Sorryyyyy!!LoL

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#319 Posted : 27 April 2021 11:24:44(UTC)
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Thanks to Atrocity for sharing this. Nice to hear it after so many years.

It starts like the original Blue Monday video version, but I think it deviates at some point (haven't really checked in depth yet). Maybe someone might want to compare the two properly:
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#320 Posted : 01 May 2021 13:29:15(UTC)
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The rare vinyl ones in my collection I can think of is the orange vinyl in order compilation.


Other ones is the shiny metallic Brotherhood




ok, bit the bullet, and ordered the metallic brotherhood LP.

will let you know what it amounts to, and texture, colors etc, once it gets here.

that leaves me with 2 more major new order releases to get in the next couple of months,
before concentrating on some other promos, colored confusion german 7 inch releases,
and some other gaps i've been meaning to fill.

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#321 Posted : 02 May 2021 02:17:14(UTC)
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colored confusion german 7 inch releases,


If you get chance to rip one of these, I’d be interested to hear it again (I have at least one of them but it’s in storage and I don’t have a turntable anymore).

In other news, I managed to get hold of three car carry cases recently (Closer, PC&L and Low Life). Great stuff. If anyone has spares for Unknown Pleasures, Movement or Brotherhood, and wants to sell ‘em, please drop me a PM.

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#322 Posted : 02 May 2021 11:29:12(UTC)
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colored confusion german 7 inch releases,


If you get chance to rip one of these, I’d be interested to hear it again (I have at least one of them but it’s in storage and I don’t have a turntable anymore).

In other news, I managed to get hold of three car carry cases recently (Closer, PC&L and Low Life). Great stuff. If anyone has spares for Unknown Pleasures, Movement or Brotherhood, and wants to sell ‘em, please drop me a PM.



very nice. i don't think i've seen pictures of the low life one.

(oh yeah, forgot about the confusion single mix, still getting there)

i've been making my own car carry cases with mixed results. (too thin).

However, i bought a craft cutting machine. Now, I should technically be able to
cut the right thickness in cardboard to make them, and use scans to print onto
them. No, its not the real thing, but it's part of the artsy craftsy things I've been
doing lately.

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