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themightyspang  
#1 Posted : 17 September 2020 07:05:36(UTC)
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https://www.bonhams.com/press_release/30753/

you've got a month to scrape up 60K.
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#2 Posted : 17 September 2020 07:31:44(UTC)
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It'll fetch more, I'd hazard a guess...


I just wonder why Natalie is selling it?
I thought there'd be something in the article that would explain her reasoning.

I hope she isn't in financial difficulty. It just seems impossible to imagine why she'd want to sell such an iconic memento of her father's.

Best not to speculate, I guess.




I will say, if I was a wealthy man, I'd be bidding.
Those Phantoms are special anyway and, given the provenance of this one specifically, this is a fan's ultimate dream.

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#3 Posted : 17 September 2020 10:25:33(UTC)
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She looks exactly like her father.

He's a legend because of his rock & roll suicide at such an early age, on the verge of breaking into the mainstream.

The graphic from Unknown Pleasures has become so ubiquitous you can't get away from it.

Closer just celebrated its 40th anniversary, dredging up the suicide mythology all over again.

At some point you just want to get away from your past.

I'm sure she has other mementos (like his writing) that mean more to her on a personal level. Best to sell this now while there are still first generation fans who have the money for it.
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#4 Posted : 17 September 2020 15:21:20(UTC)
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yes i recently learnt that stacked charts like the UP image are now known as joy charts...

Thing is - perhaps she wants to buy a house? Difficult these days, especially if you're an artist. And you know we've all thrown away/sold stuff our parents coveted.

the reson this ended up on the search is that I was listening to Haze again and re-remembering that about 50 secs in the song you've got Barney doing JD era Barney on guitar. Then it struck me - this song (I believe) is about Ian, so it makes sense to put some JD sounds in there.
take a ride across the sea/turn your whole life upside down - referring to Annik perhaps?


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#5 Posted : 17 September 2020 21:56:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: themightyspang Go to Quoted Post
Then it struck me - this song (I believe) is about Ian, so it makes sense to put some JD sounds in there.
take a ride across the sea/turn your whole life upside down - referring to Annik perhaps?




I'm not convinced.
Flogging your dead Pop's guitar to buy a house? Punk!
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#6 Posted : 18 September 2020 09:03:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: themightyspang Go to Quoted Post
yes i recently learnt that stacked charts like the UP image are now known as joy charts...

Thing is - perhaps she wants to buy a house? Difficult these days, especially if you're an artist. And you know we've all thrown away/sold stuff our parents coveted.

the reson this ended up on the search is that I was listening to Haze again and re-remembering that about 50 secs in the song you've got Barney doing JD era Barney on guitar. Then it struck me - this song (I believe) is about Ian, so it makes sense to put some JD sounds in there.
take a ride across the sea/turn your whole life upside down - referring to Annik perhaps?




No, no no - off that album Can't Find My Way Home is the one about Ian


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#7 Posted : 21 September 2020 07:11:42(UTC)
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They should put it on Twitch. Tee hee.
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#8 Posted : 13 October 2020 07:35:07(UTC)
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https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25996/lot/138/

Sold for £162,562 inc. premium.


There’s some lucky guy pretty happy now, I’d imagine A bit poorer financially, but I would bet that the guitar will give them a warm glow of happiness every time they look at it.

I’m a little jealous. But happy for the buyer.
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#9 Posted : 13 October 2020 08:12:37(UTC)
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I did think it’d push over £100k. Was estimated to go for £60k to £80k.

To be honest, I think that it’s a combination of who owned it (Ian, Bernard and Johnny Marr) but also because a white Vox Phantom is just so synonymous with Ian.
They’re very rare and, if you see one, it instantly makes you think of JD.

What I’m saying is, if Ian played a black and white Strat, it probably wouldn’t have gone for anywhere near that value.
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#10 Posted : 13 October 2020 08:21:31(UTC)
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Out of interest how much is a normal white Vox Phantom untouched by IC?

I think for £162,000 I'd want more than a warm glow, no offence Perspex. Don't understand this at all, considering what you could do or buy for similar but it's sorted Natalie out.
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#11 Posted : 13 October 2020 08:57:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tapebias Go to Quoted Post
Out of interest how much is a normal white Vox Phantom untouched by IC?

I think for £162,000 I'd want more than a warm glow, no offence Perspex. Don't understand this at all, considering what you could do or buy for similar but it's sorted Natalie out.


Agreed. You'd have to have a shed-load of money to be able to 'lose' £160k without worrying too much.

But it's priorities, ain't it? You and I would want to pay the mortgage, or put it towards a better house, or financial security for our families.

The guy buying this probably doesn't have to think about mortgages or crap like that. And as regards financial security, I'd think something like this would probably keep its resale value, so that's probably not an issue.
So he probably feels 'what else am I gonna spent the cash on?'. It probably will give them the same sort of joy as owning yet another Aston Martin. Wink


Yeah - it's a different world than the average Joe, but I'm still hoping it gives great pleasure to the buyer. I'm guessing he or or she is a big fan, so I'm sending goodwill to the guy (even if I'm jealous as Hell. Big Grin )


And, yeah, Natalie - I hope she's very happy too.
I also hope she never regrets selling it. I'm guessing she's been mulling this over for a long time, though, and I'm sure she's OK with decision.
Again, priorities. If she'd rather be living in better circumstances, and can do without that guitar case under the bed gathering dust, it makes sense for her to part with it.
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#12 Posted : 13 October 2020 09:08:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post

There’s some lucky guy pretty happy now.


Yup. Nothing says Happy like Ian Curtis.
I'd like to think that if I had a spare wad, it'd go to Oxfam, Amnesty and some to my family. Still, the world's like the guy who steals from the sweet shop. Takes all sorts.
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#13 Posted : 13 October 2020 09:19:44(UTC)
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Does it even work? Is this not the guitar you could only play 2 chords on? Dm and Dmaj? Wink
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#14 Posted : 13 October 2020 11:17:42(UTC)
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Don't forget the premium is around 25%, that's another 40k.
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#15 Posted : 13 October 2020 13:13:48(UTC)
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There was one further auction at Bonham's today which may be of interest to this community https://www.bonhams.com/...mp;length=12&page=15 - all proceeds donated to the NHS Covid-19 appeal.



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Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post
Don't forget the premium is around 25%, that's another 40k.


I think the £162k included the premium.

Originally Posted by: JG Go to Quoted Post
There was one further auction at Bonham's today which may be of interest to this community https://www.bonhams.com/...mp;length=12&page=15 - all proceeds donated to the NHS Covid-19 appeal.





Neat. Didn’t know about this. Thanks.


To be honest £4,000 for two flags seems less of a good deal than the guitar. Eek
Maybe it’s just me, but I think of the flags as just a bit of tat that someone in a factory produced last year and they used as a backdrop.
No real history etc.

But, again, one’s mileage may vary.

Still, worthy cause and all that.

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Don't forget the premium is around 25%, that's another 40k.


I think the £162k included the premium.



Nope, that's not how auctions work, it's an additional cost to the hammer price.
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#18 Posted : 14 October 2020 03:44:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25996/lot/138/

Sold for £162,562 inc. premium.


There’s some lucky guy pretty happy now, I’d imagine.


What makes you think it was a man who bought it?? Big Grin

Can you imagine buying it for that price? What would you do with it? You'd surely just have to insure it to the hilt and then put it in secure storage

But yeah - I guess it's a decent investment with interest rates at close to zero.

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Does it even work? Is this not the guitar you could only play 2 chords on? Dm and Dmaj? Wink


He isn't gonna play it. It's the smug satisfaction he's into.
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Don't forget the premium is around 25%, that's another 40k.


I think the £162k included the premium.



Nope, that's not how auctions work, it's an additional cost to the hammer price.



Oh, Ok. It's just that the webpage said "Sold for £ 162,562 inc. premium" so thought that it did.

Also, the first I heard about it was when someone who was watching the auction emailed to say it went for "£130k plus commission", which also made me think that a premium was included in the £162,562 price.

£130,000 hammer price
+ £32,500 (25%, as per your approximation)
= £162,500

Which is pretty close to the £162,562 figure.

Or have I completely misunderstood?

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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25996/lot/138/

Sold for £162,562 inc. premium.


There’s some lucky guy pretty happy now, I’d imagine.


What makes you think it was a man who bought it?? Big Grin




Well I did correct myself later in the post. Big Grin


Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
I'm guessing he or or she is a big fan



But, yeah, my money's on a guy, rather than a gal. Smile

I have my suspicions as to someone who would probably have bid on it. Whether he won it is another matter.

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The Young Ones: 'Dear Mr Bank manager...' - 'Ah-HA! And WHAT makes you think your bank manager's a man?' - 'His beard.'
I reckon it was a guy. It's normally blokes who go for this kind of thing. Very few women would be stupid enough to spend enough money to feed Africa on a flea-ridden guitar they can't even touch, let alone play, just cos some unfaithful suicidal hubbie who dabbled in Nazi imagery made one good album fucking years ago. We guys are AWESOME.
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But, yeah, my money's on a guy, rather than a gal. Smile


I'm with you on this one PO, just to make up for being grumpy with you recently
(Also women only spend this much money on clothes ::ducks for cover:: )

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#24 Posted : 14 October 2020 10:32:24(UTC)
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There's nothing sexist about the truth. This kind of hobby is statistically more widespread among males. What does that mean? Totally fuck all.
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Was it that Sultan guy that bought it?

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