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#51 Posted : 21 September 2022 18:45:06(UTC)
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SEP 21 2022 at Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia, MD, USA

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Vanishing Point makes it's first appearance this tour but otherwise similar to the previous show (Sub-Culture was dropped) .
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#52 Posted : 22 September 2022 02:06:31(UTC)
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You can't have an either/or between Subculture and Vanishing Point. That's just wrong!

Meanwhile Gillian is happier with the rider.
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#53 Posted : 22 September 2022 09:26:05(UTC)
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From what i've read PSB seem to be getting the better reaction

It would be a good idea for them to drop be a rebel,academic,restless etc and have shellshock,sub culture,vanishing point in every set

Make it a better set for casual fans as there'll be a lot who have gone to see PSB

It's not your average new order gig....treat it most like bands treat festivals and give the crowd what they want
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#54 Posted : 22 September 2022 10:03:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lee Go to Quoted Post
From what i've read PSB seem to be getting the better reaction

It would be a good idea for them to drop be a rebel,academic,restless etc and have shellshock,sub culture,vanishing point in every set

Make it a better set for casual fans as there'll be a lot who have gone to see PSB

It's not your average new order gig....treat it most like bands treat festivals and give the crowd what they want


Setlists are always a ripe topic of conversation for fans. If there was a clear, correct way of deciding what should be played, that wouldn't be the case.

The three Pet Shop Boys shows on this tour had identical setlists. I'm happy that New Order are mixing up theirs (even just a little bit) from show to show. There's always the compromise between what the feel they have to play, want to play and what's worth putting in the effort to also rehearse and program (not forgetting the visuals) to add variety.

One development I'm happy with is that there's fewer Joy Division tracks in the set. Whether this is down to their touring partners or not remains to be seen.

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#55 Posted : 22 September 2022 10:35:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lee Go to Quoted Post
From what i've read PSB seem to be getting the better reaction

It would be a good idea for them to drop be a rebel,academic,restless etc and have shellshock,sub culture,vanishing point in every set

Make it a better set for casual fans as there'll be a lot who have gone to see PSB

It's not your average new order gig....treat it most like bands treat festivals and give the crowd what they want


Setlists are always a ripe topic of conversation for fans. If there was a clear, correct way of deciding what should be played, that wouldn't be the case.

The three Pet Shop Boys shows on this tour had identical setlists. I'm happy that New Order are mixing up theirs (even just a little bit) from show to show. There's always the compromise between what the feel they have to play, want to play and what's worth putting in the effort to also rehearse and program (not forgetting the visuals) to add variety.

One development I'm happy with is that there's fewer Joy Division tracks in the set. Whether this is down to their touring partners or not remains to be seen.



Yeah i really do get bored when at gigs and they play JD

I keep seeing things like 'biggest cheer of the night' 'best part of the night' about pics of ian or LWTUA

It's quite odd as i go to new order gigs with my mates....we're late 40's to 50 and there isn't one of us who's a jd fan and would like them to stop playing them

It was ok for a while when they started playing them but the novelty has well and truely worn off now



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#56 Posted : 23 September 2022 05:04:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lee Go to Quoted Post


Yeah i really do get bored when at gigs and they play JD

I keep seeing things like 'biggest cheer of the night' 'best part of the night' about pics of ian or LWTUA

It's quite odd as i go to new order gigs with my mates....we're late 40's to 50 and there isn't one of us who's a jd fan and would like them to stop playing them

It was ok for a while when they started playing them but the novelty has well and truely worn off now





I totally agree, and I'm a massive JD fan.

It was great back in 1998 when they started routinely playing them again. However, I'm a bit sick of the band's version of LWTUA etc. these days.

Bernard has never been a particularly great vocalist (although I obviously love his vocals), but his voice is totally shot these days. It was always going to be a big ask for him to do JD songs justice back in the 80s/90s. There's zero chance of him being able to do that these days.

Besides, if I go and see New Order, that's the band I want to see. JD ended on 18/05/80 and I don't really feel that anything more needs to be said, concert-wise.

That being said, the occasional playing of Decades, NDF or Disorder would be appreciated by me.
I just get really bored of the encore being the usual rolling out of Transmission, Atmosphere and LWTUA.
Let the encore be a heady mix of the band's best numbers: Temptation and TPK, for instance.
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#57 Posted : 23 September 2022 08:22:54(UTC)
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Meh, given the chance and/or choice these days i'd be more interested in seeing PSB than NO. Seen NO countless times but only saw PSB once, about 15 years ago. Would be interested in seeing them again.
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#58 Posted : 23 September 2022 10:43:52(UTC)
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I don’t mind them playing JD songs (2 max) as long as it’s not LWTUA! I always leave when that plays now, good way to beat the crush.

I love JD as well but Hooky is far better doing JD than current NO. I get my fix of JD seeing the light so NO should concentrate on NO.

JD tracks I’ve enjoyed in the past NO have played

Decades
Transmission
These days
Disorder (there best effort)
Isolation
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ROCKET MICK on 24/09/2022(UTC)
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#59 Posted : 23 September 2022 23:17:39(UTC)
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SEP 23 2022 at Barclays Center, Brooklyn, NY, USA

Setlist.fm

More changes and Unity Tour debuts (Transmission, Tutti Frutti and Guilt is a Useless Emotion. And the intro tape was Times Change instead of Das Rheingold: Vorspiel). They may not be pleasing the hardcore but I am impressed that each of the 4 nights have had (technically) unique sets from a pool of 20 songs.


1963
Academic
Age of Consent
Be a Rebel
Bizarre Love Triangle
Blue Monday
Ceremony
Guilt is a Useless Emotion
Love Will Tear Us Apart
The Perfect Kiss
Plastic
Regret
Restless
Sub-Culture
Temptation
Transmission
True Faith
Tutti Frutti
Vanishing Point
Your Silent Face

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#60 Posted : 24 September 2022 02:31:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
They may not be pleasing the hardcore but I am impressed that each of the 4 nights have had (technically) unique sets from a pool of 20 songs.


Yep. Credit where credit's due. Very nice that they are mixing it up. Makes it more interesting.
If you're a Viking on tour with them, it must be nice to hear a bit of variety (obviously they also need to appeal to the masses who always want to hear BM etc.).
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#61 Posted : 24 September 2022 06:41:52(UTC)
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Yeah fair play to them for changing songs each night

Glad they've changed that intro too as i've never liked that wagner intro music and video and it's been used for a good few years now....the one they used at heaton park with times change was a lot better....manchester themed though obviously
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#62 Posted : 24 September 2022 11:07:38(UTC)
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Y i've never liked that wagner intro music and video


Do you like All Day Long? Cos there's y'know, a connection.

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It all seems a little predicatable with the majority of the setlist 30 years old. I know we'll never get back to the 80s days of different sets every night but...I could do without Plastic, Restless, BM, Subculture, Shellcock!, and any JD, thats all.
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It all seems a little predicatable with the majority of the setlist 30 years old. I know we'll never get back to the 80s days of different sets every night but...I could do without Plastic, Restless, BM, Subculture, Shellcock!, and any JD, thats all.


If we leave those out (Shellshock hasn't yet been played on this tour), that's still 14 tracks you deem worthy. Doesn't seem too bad.

I agree that quite a few have been in the set for a while, but Sub-Culture and Vanishing Point are more recent returns that seem to be welcomed by most people.

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Y i've never liked that wagner intro music and video


Do you like All Day Long? Cos there's y'know, a connection.



That comment's a little condescending don't you think?

But for the record yes i do like all day long and i'm well aware of the connection...i am a long term fan you know

I just find it a very drab way to start a concert...it doesn't work the way they stand there waiting for it to come to a sudden end before acknowledging the crowd

The manchester/times change intro worked far better at Heaton park...especially the way new order came onto the screen at the end

My opinion of coarse...if i'm allowed oneUh oh









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#67 Posted : 25 September 2022 02:40:59(UTC)
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Nice to see LWTUA not ending as well. Cant remember hearing it mid set in many years?
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#68 Posted : 25 September 2022 04:07:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lee Go to Quoted Post
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Y i've never liked that wagner intro music and video


Do you like All Day Long? Cos there's y'know, a connection.


That comment's a little condescending don't you think?


But for the record yes i do like all day long and i'm well aware of the connection...i am a long term fan you know

I just find it a very drab way to start a concert...


Yes maybe it was condescending. Back in the days (long) before they used that intro, someone here -I forget who- argued that "there are only so many notes you know" when I mentioned that All Day Long borrowed from Wagner. In other words they were saying that the similarity was a coincidence rather than acknowledging that...it wasn't. I coudn't prove he was wrong at the time, athough I think the use of the intro since then has done so (along with the tweet below from Hooky). As we sadly never get All Day Long live (this century), then for me this feels like this is as close as we're gonna get, so it's better than nothing. I may be a bit touchy about All Day Long because (a) we never get it live and (b) whoever argued with me (X number of years ago!) was wrong and I want it acknowledged!!


Originally Posted by: The Shadow Go to Quoted Post
Nice to see LWTUA not ending as well. Cant remember hearing it mid set in many years?


My understanding is that Andy's list was an alphabetical list of all the songs played on this tour so far, rather than a specific gig setlist. LWTUA still finishes things off each night, assuming Setlist FM is correct.
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#69 Posted : 25 September 2022 09:50:16(UTC)
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Yes.

Sorry Shadow. I didn't really make that clear.
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All Day Long was performed in 2020.

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Edited by user 25 September 2022 16:21:18(UTC)  | Reason: typo

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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
All Day Long was performed in 2020.

Setlist.fm


It was also played at all the MIF gigs in 2017: Setlist.fm

Edited by user 25 September 2022 16:21:42(UTC)  | Reason: typo

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All Day Long played was last performed in 2020.

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It was also played at all the MIF gigs in 2017: Setlist.fm



...and also the 3 ∑ gigs in Austria and Italy in 2018: Setlist.fm

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#73 Posted : 25 September 2022 13:07:56(UTC)
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Well I knew about the MIF stuff but Bernard said they didn't count as normal gigs, so I ...didn't count em!
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