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Ken Doherty  
#76 Posted : 20 December 2018 01:42:37(UTC)
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£40 or £50 for this would seem expensive, £120 : they're just taking the piss.

OK so its not the sort of thing that is going to sell thousands and thousands of copies to easily recoup their costs but there is no justification for those sort of prices. If they do the same with all of their other albums, you're talking about the best part of a grand to get the complete set. I'll stick to the double CD versions I already have.

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#77 Posted : 20 December 2018 01:44:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
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'RockAmerica' (Ceremony from the 1981 US tour)




This appears to be the CoManCHE footage, which is on there. Looks like you've commented on this video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhW55vb3gbo



So I did. I forget my own name sometimes.

So that RockAmerica footage is the same as on ‘A Factory Video’, i.e. the CoManCHE gig?

I’m not by my videos at the moment, so can’t check.
Always assumed that the RockAmerica footage was taken during the US tour. Never thought to check to see if it was the same as the Factory Video footage.

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#78 Posted : 20 December 2018 02:22:50(UTC)
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“It’s always been about the future.” Hilarious.
Great tracklisting but for 120 quid...
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#79 Posted : 20 December 2018 02:34:44(UTC)
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It's worth £120 for Hurt at Riverside and Paris Hi
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Let's all wave our arms about !
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Johnny James  
#80 Posted : 20 December 2018 02:51:24(UTC)
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It's worth £120 for Hurt at Riverside and Paris Hi
Hi
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Hi Hi Hi Hi Hi Hi


There's also a Hurt (Instrumental) on Peppermint Lounge, and it segues into Temptation.
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#81 Posted : 20 December 2018 03:10:31(UTC)
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It's worth £120 for Hurt at Riverside and Paris Hi
Hi
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Hi Hi Hi Hi Hi Hi


There's also a Hurt (Instrumental) on Peppermint Lounge, and it segues into Temptation.


Nice. Can’t bloody wait.
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#82 Posted : 20 December 2018 04:30:09(UTC)
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Anyone know if these boxed sets will appear on iTunes, Amazon Music, etc.?

I've pre-ordered the £110 Amazon version (to avoid the shipping costs), and hope the cost will drop or alternative cheaper variants of the set become available (i.e. one without the vinyl and a non-hardback version of the book). However, I'd happily cancel this pre-order if an alternative is to buy just the bonus CD and DVD content as digital files individually on iTunes (as long as they don't make it 'Album Only' where you have to buy the whole lot for a fortune).

I normally always buy physical copies of New Order stuff to get the best possible CD audio quality, but given the huge cost of this set, I'd be willing to compromise for once to save a few quid - plus I only have a small house and am unlikely to have the shelf space to store the eventual complete set of 'Definitive Editions'.

Are we likely to see these available as paid downloads?
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#83 Posted : 20 December 2018 09:57:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Anyone know if these boxed sets will appear on iTunes, Amazon Music, etc.?

However, I'd happily cancel this pre-order if an alternative is to buy just the bonus CD and DVD content as digital files individually on iTunes (as long as they don't make it 'Album Only' where you have to buy the whole lot for a fortune).

I normally always buy physical copies of New Order stuff to get the best possible CD audio quality, but given the huge cost of this set, I'd be willing to compromise for once to save a few quid - plus I only have a small house and am unlikely to have the shelf space to store the eventual complete set of 'Definitive Editions'.

Are we likely to see these available as paid downloads?



Paid downloads: I hope so. Good point about the physical space issues. I'm not re-buying stuff I already have but would pay for the bonus cd (demos).

Not fussed about the live DVD or book. The excellent 'From Heaven to Heaven' book would be a good companion piece for this. And for £120 I'd want The Beach Club backing tapes, ha. Dick Turpin levels of extortion (if you are willing to pay it).


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#84 Posted : 20 December 2018 12:11:22(UTC)
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That’s me short of over 100 quid. Seems it has to be done!
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#85 Posted : 20 December 2018 16:19:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post


I can vouch that many have worked diligently (James Z Hi, et al) on this edition,


Is James Z aka JS Zeiter who remixed Singularity?
Is this the Forum's very own Johnny James, or am I making masive leaps in an attempt to connect dots here?
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#86 Posted : 20 December 2018 22:40:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post


I can vouch that many have worked diligently (James Z Hi, et al) on this edition,


Is James Z aka JS Zeiter who remixed Singularity?
Is this the Forum's very own Johnny James, or am I making masive leaps in an attempt to connect dots here?


I had the same thoughts as these last night. Indeed i spoke to DIGI MIKE at length about this. Johnny James has always brought a superb wealth of knowledge to these forums. The new release of MOVEMENT is looking very tempting. £120 is a bit steep and i have not had the collecting bug for years. But i may have to make an effort to buy this. Mike is excited and some cool members have been offering their thoughts on this and very positive vibes all round.
SLIGHT MOVEMENT HERE..


Regards ROCKET MICK
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Dennis Remmer  
#87 Posted : 21 December 2018 00:30:45(UTC)
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Is James Z aka JS Zeiter


Yes
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#88 Posted : 21 December 2018 00:38:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Cont'd

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

'RockAmerica' (Ceremony from the 1981 US tour)




This appears to be the CoManCHE footage, which is on there. Looks like you've commented on this video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhW55vb3gbo



So I did. I forget my own name sometimes.

So that RockAmerica footage is the same as on ‘A Factory Video’, i.e. the CoManCHE gig?

I’m not by my videos at the moment, so can’t check.
Always assumed that the RockAmerica footage was taken during the US tour. Never thought to check to see if it was the same as the Factory Video footage.


Just checked the footage.
You’re right, Johnny; the RockAmerica footage of Ceremony is the same as that on ‘A Factory Video’, i.e. the CoManCHE footage.
Never noticed that before. Apologies.
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Michael Monkhouse  
#89 Posted : 21 December 2018 02:04:49(UTC)
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When I twigged this was a proper retread and not just a pipe dream / Londonesque rip-off, I was in two minds - but that price tag clinched it. 120 quid on a glorified take on their least rewarding album, when it'll all be on Youtube sooner or later anyway... The only actual track I ain't already bought and done to deah is RUReady, which is just a pisstake singalong. Pass. If this really is the way forward, fans're gonna have to do some serious accounting.
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#90 Posted : 21 December 2018 02:31:40(UTC)
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People moaning about the cost PAH. As a friend just said you'd pay more than £120 to see New Order in the UK after Ticket, Travel, Drinks, Food and a merchandise purchase, plus you'd have to endure WFTSC (mind you that is a good song for a piss break), and what will you have - a ticket stub and memories of Barney's flat voice, with the box set you will have an item to treasure and footage of when they were truly great. it was great seeing the early gigs, now we stare at Gillian on her knitting machine and the music coming of a MAC BOOK Pro - how times have changed Hi

Let's all wave our arms about !
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#91 Posted : 21 December 2018 05:53:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Is James Z aka JS Zeiter


Yes


A-ha! Well, Mr 'Johnny' James Zeiter, what was it like seeing comments about your remix by fellow forumites who didn't know that you were JS Zeiter?
Admittedly there weren't that many comments, probably because people were starting to hit remix fatigue by the time Singularity came out.

But I found mine on the Singularity thread, and funnily enough, I'm kinda quoting you at the time:


Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post
You can skip through the tracks better here: https://bleep.com/release/70752-new-order-singularity

Ah yes, the previews are twice as long as the amazon ones.
Reeder's individuality mix sounds promising, and the Zeiter mixes sound like proper dancefloor material.
Looking forward to these.
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Johnny James  
#92 Posted : 21 December 2018 06:23:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Is James Z aka JS Zeiter


Yes


A-ha! Well, Mr 'Johnny' James Zeiter, what was it like seeing comments about your remix by fellow forumites who didn't know that you were JS Zeiter?
Admittedly there weren't that many comments, probably because people were starting to hit remix fatigue by the time Singularity came out.

But I found mine on the Singularity thread, and funnily enough, I'm kinda quoting you at the time:


Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post
You can skip through the tracks better here: https://bleep.com/release/70752-new-order-singularity

Ah yes, the previews are twice as long as the amazon ones.
Reeder's individuality mix sounds promising, and the Zeiter mixes sound like proper dancefloor material.
Looking forward to these.


Ha ha, I must admit there weren't too many comments as the remix didn't feature in the official streams. Just glad it wasn't all negative.

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#93 Posted : 21 December 2018 07:36:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post
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Is James Z aka JS Zeiter


Yes


A bunch of people here, myself included, used to think that the user "Johnny James" was actually Stephen Morris, due to the vast amount of inside knowledge about the band.
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#94 Posted : 21 December 2018 15:03:07(UTC)
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Record Store Day 2018 in Manchester
Vinyl Exchange (18 Oldham Street)
“The day acts as a good chance to show off the shop to people who may not usually frequent the business,” said co-owner James Zeiter.

VINYL EXCHANGE LIMITED
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#95 Posted : 21 December 2018 23:03:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Wonder if 'Temptation (Alternate 7") is the edited 7 inch version from the 'Something Wild' soundtrack or another take?


That was my thinking too.

Wonder if the Procession rehearsal is the same one from bootlegs that have been circulating for a number of years.



Temptation is another version done at the same early 82 Advision session as the released version, not radically different by the way.

Procession is part of a rehearsal that appears to be a run through of the set they were preparing for the Sept 80 tour (so with drum machine).

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#96 Posted : 22 December 2018 03:52:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Baggie Boiler Go to Quoted Post
People moaning about the cost PAH. As a friend just said you'd pay more than £120 to see New Order in the UK after Ticket, Travel, Drinks, Food and a merchandise purchase, plus you'd have to endure WFTSC (mind you that is a good song for a piss break), and what will you have - a ticket stub and memories of Barney's flat voice, with the box set you will have an item to treasure and footage of when they were truly great. it was great seeing the early gigs, now we stare at Gillian on her knitting machine and the music coming of a MAC BOOK Pro - how times have changed Hi



Gigs are crazily expensive. After the tix, travel, accommodation etc you'd pay well over 120 quid... But I'm not paying so much for a tarted-up version of an album that wasn't too hot in the first place. Next year the Spice Girls are back so I have a tight music budget.
If this is their ''''''new'''''' project, I'm glad I'm no longer a completist. And if you still are, I'd recommend auctioning your house.

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#97 Posted : 22 December 2018 15:03:13(UTC)
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digital download at reasonable cost or GTFO (yes bought MC as HD download). don't even have a cd/dvd player in my pc anymore. local musician friends have given me cds and I have to take them into work to rip them - then bin the cds. just say no to wasted plastic.

but also this is just the start. even if they just go to republic thats £750 for stuff to fill up your house.
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#98 Posted : 03 January 2019 02:45:19(UTC)
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Currently £90 on Amazon.........
There's no sense in telling me, the wisdom of a fool wont set you free
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#99 Posted : 03 January 2019 07:50:06(UTC)
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Currently £90 on Amazon.........


Yep. Looking much better at that price.

Lock in your ‘guaranteed lowest price’ pre-order now, folks.
You can always cancel closer to the time if you decide against it. This way, you get the cheaper price, if it does go up again.

Wouldn’t surprise me if it gets a further cut, down to £80-£85.

Still, can’t wait...
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#100 Posted : 08 January 2019 09:35:31(UTC)
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Currently £90 on Amazon.........

If you're ordering from outside of the EU, VAT is removed from the total price upon checkout. With shipping to the United States, my Amazon UK order came to just £78.85 ($100). Not counting the hardbound book, that puts each piece of media at $25 which is tolerable for me.

-Mike

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