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depthcharge		#26 Posted : 11 April 2016 05:57:41(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 16/02/2013(UTC) Posts: 195 Location: Australia Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 329 time(s) in 196 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Hé Originally Posted by: Andy I opted for the CD Single: CDJapan The mix better be good. It's going to cost me over $40 when all is said and done! Strange description. "new order" is not mentioned. No tracklisting either. When you read the description further it seems to be implying this is a "by request only" item. You just wonder if someone's got their wires crossed with the 12". No other site seems to reference this CD release.

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NotAMod		#27 Posted : 12 April 2016 06:27:25(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 692 Location: London, UK Thanks: 187 times Was thanked: 1202 time(s) in 694 post(s)		I've not unsealed mine yet but what does the code stickered in the sleeve include access to? Do you get just the two remixes or the full Tutti package? Hi-res files or standard? Is it available to those outside of Japan? Cheers.

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indiearchivist		#28 Posted : 13 April 2016 10:46:08(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 15/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 26 Was thanked: 31 time(s) in 26 post(s)		Originally Posted by: depthcharge No tracklisting either. When you read the description further it seems to be implying this is a "by request only" item. You just wonder if someone's got their wires crossed with the 12". No other site seems to reference this CD release. Assuming the cd single is getting a separate release, the cd does include the Takkyu Ishino mix, according to http://trafficjpn.com/news/neworderlive/ (english translation from petersaville.info): Quote: Wrapping Cloth “Furoshiki” Box Set (Cassette Album + Three CD Singles) To Be Sold Exclusively at the Venue of the Concert in Japan 25 May 2016 Contains: • Music Complete Cassette Album • Restless CD Single • Tutti Frutti CD Single (First appearance of Takkyu Ishino Remix on CD) • Singularity CD Single

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Peter Who?		#29 Posted : 14 April 2016 01:33:22(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 14/04/2016(UTC) Posts: 1 Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)		Yesterday I received the 12". I tried to download the mp3 files from the code but it fails everytime. Anybody else have problems with downloads from the Japanese 12"? Edited by user 14 April 2016 05:29:47(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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depthcharge		#30 Posted : 14 April 2016 05:40:47(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 16/02/2013(UTC) Posts: 195 Location: Australia Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 329 time(s) in 196 post(s)		Originally Posted by: indiearchivist Assuming the cd single is getting a separate release, the cd does include the Takkyu Ishino mix, according to http://trafficjpn.com/news/neworderlive/ (english translation from petersaville.info): I wonder if it will get a release outside of that box. Doesn't appear to be on the radar of the other major Japanese sites.

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Aracri		#31 Posted : 14 April 2016 06:08:38(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 26/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 346 Location: Rio de Janeiro Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 403 time(s) in 355 post(s)		Originally Posted by: nofotro Originally Posted by: Hé Quote: There's a Discogs entry already for those that care. No hype sticker on the outside of the shrinkwrap. No download code. No download code! Sad news but good for my money. My 12" arrived today. There was a download code included with my copy on a small sticker at the bottom of the inner sleeve. Mine got the code too. Didn't try to download with it yet.
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Aracri		#32 Posted : 14 April 2016 11:51:10(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 26/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 346 Location: Rio de Janeiro Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 403 time(s) in 355 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Peter Who? Yesterday I received the 12". I tried to download the mp3 files from the code but it fails everytime. Anybody else have problems with downloads from the Japanese 12"? I didn't have any trouble to download the files. About the download, just two tracks (exactly as the 12") in two file formats: MP3 and FLAC. Tutti Frutti - Extended 12" Mix 18.09 MB Tutti Frutti - Takkiyu Ishino Remix 18.10 MB (or all above mp3s zipped in one file 28.77 MB) Tutti Frutti - Extended 12" Mix (flac) 97.23 MB Tutti Frutti - Takkiyu Ishino Remix (flac) 89.49 MB Edited by user 14 April 2016 11:52:24(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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Andy		#33 Posted : 16 April 2016 10:20:04(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,308 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1802 times Was thanked: 3584 time(s) in 2327 post(s)		As suspected, 12" (not CDS) delivered: Konnichiwa Strangely, even the packing slip describes it as a "CD".
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Tracey		#34 Posted : 16 April 2016 17:39:58(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 27/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 14 Thanks: 5 times Was thanked: 19 time(s) in 14 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy As suspected, 12" (not CDS) delivered: Konnichiwa Strangely, even the packing slip describes it as a "CD". Same thing here. My "CD" is 12" in diameter and is made of black vinyl.

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Andy		#35 Posted : 18 April 2016 18:18:10(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,308 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1802 times Was thanked: 3584 time(s) in 2327 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Tracey Originally Posted by: Andy As suspected, 12" (not CDS) delivered: Konnichiwa Strangely, even the packing slip describes it as a "CD". Same thing here. My "CD" is 12" in diameter and is made of black vinyl. I posted a comment on the site to inform future purchasers. Today, I received this email: Hello, Thank you for your order. About NEODAI-11455 - Tutti Frutti -Takkyu Ishino Remix, it is a 12 inch lp, not compact disc as you said. This is the original page. http://tower.jp/item/415...%AE%9A%E7%9B%A4%EF%BC%9E We correct the description. http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEODAI-11455 We are sorry about this time. Sincerely, Saeko Obi http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/ Not sure why the "original page" is a Tower Records site, but do appreciate the apology.
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Debaser		#36 Posted : 19 April 2016 02:51:51(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,164 Location: here n there Thanks: 549 times Was thanked: 3379 time(s) in 2186 post(s)		I'm not sure how it all works out after postage costs - and that may depend on what postage option you chose, but it appears to me that Amazon JP and others were charging less than the basic 3660 Yen that CD Japan were charging. If that's the case, I would be tempted to request a partial refund. Otherwise they have misled and overcharged you. They actually sent you a link to Tower Records where the price is cheaper?!? Kerrazee. Oh and HMV's "member price" is Y 1836. That's about half the price of CD Japan. Just my two penneth worth... Edited by user 19 April 2016 03:49:43(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Aracri		#37 Posted : 19 April 2016 11:08:17(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 26/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 346 Location: Rio de Janeiro Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 403 time(s) in 355 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: Tracey Originally Posted by: Andy As suspected, 12" (not CDS) delivered: Konnichiwa Strangely, even the packing slip describes it as a "CD". Same thing here. My "CD" is 12" in diameter and is made of black vinyl. I posted a comment on the site to inform future purchasers. Today, I received this email: Hello, Thank you for your order. About NEODAI-11455 - Tutti Frutti -Takkyu Ishino Remix, it is a 12 inch lp, not compact disc as you said. This is the original page. http://tower.jp/item/415...%AE%9A%E7%9B%A4%EF%BC%9E We correct the description. http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEODAI-11455 We are sorry about this time. Sincerely, Saeko Obi http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/ Not sure why the "original page" is a Tower Records site, but do appreciate the apology. I'm very disappointed. I did the order when the single was still listed as a CD. When it arrived - surprise! - another 12 inch vinyl for my collection. Strangely, in the packing slip / receipt, is written "Format: CDA"! Evidently I will ask them a refund.
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Debaser		#38 Posted : 06 October 2020 13:15:34(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,164 Location: here n there Thanks: 549 times Was thanked: 3379 time(s) in 2186 post(s)		I can't find an original Tutti Frutti thread so this'll have to do. I was listening to Peanut Butter (Larry Levan mix) by Gwen Guthrie today and I started thinking about how NO have used other tracks as a template before. Tutti Frutti came to mind here. The first few seconds of echo-y intro, the percussion, the groove. Also the end of the track- the bass pluck bit and overall production from 5.30 onwards. It feels like it inspired the Tutti Frutti vibe. It has a food name in common too. Anyone agree/disagree/give a damn? [Also the "I'm in love with you, want you to love me too" vocal should be instantly recognisable to a generation of 90s ravers] EDIT I also wonder if Information Society's Running (Nest mix) may have influenced World. Try jumping in around 2.55 . Edited by user 06 October 2020 13:24:55(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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50poundnote		#39 Posted : 06 October 2020 13:28:02(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 568 Thanks: 46 times Was thanked: 1148 time(s) in 570 post(s)		Nicely spotted! :D There's some definite, good similarities there.
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negative1		#40 Posted : 29 December 2020 16:10:41(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,214 Thanks: 1015 times Was thanked: 1879 time(s) in 1214 post(s)		i'm in the process of getting all the colored vinyl 12 inches now. just got this one from japan, they're still out there, and not that expensive. later -1

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Jonathan		#41 Posted : 30 December 2020 01:35:29(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/07/2013(UTC) Posts: 123 Location: Tynemouth Thanks: 37 times Was thanked: 148 time(s) in 123 post(s)		Is the JPN release purple vinyl? My yellow 12” gets a lot of play at the moment, my 18 month old loves putting records on and this is one of her favourites
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Andy		#42 Posted : 30 December 2020 09:28:57(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,308 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1802 times Was thanked: 3584 time(s) in 2327 post(s)		I didn't know that the Japanese Tutti Frutti 12" was coloured vinyl. Never opened mine up!
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50poundnote		#43 Posted : 30 December 2020 10:41:18(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 568 Thanks: 46 times Was thanked: 1148 time(s) in 570 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy I didn't know that the Japanese Tutti Frutti 12" was coloured vinyl. Never opened mine up! No, it's standard black vinyl.
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negative1		#44 Posted : 30 December 2020 11:33:44(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,214 Thanks: 1015 times Was thanked: 1879 time(s) in 1214 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Originally Posted by: Andy I didn't know that the Japanese Tutti Frutti 12" was coloured vinyl. Never opened mine up! No, it's standard black vinyl. correct, i was getting it mixed up with the purple vinyl for singularity. later -1

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Debaser		#45 Posted : 04 December 2021 17:00:51(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,164 Location: here n there Thanks: 549 times Was thanked: 3379 time(s) in 2186 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Debaser I can't find an original Tutti Frutti thread so this'll have to do. I was listening to Peanut Butter (Larry Levan mix) by Gwen Guthrie today and I started thinking about how NO have used other tracks as a template before. Tutti Frutti came to mind here. The first few seconds of echo-y intro, the percussion, the groove. Also the end of the track- the bass pluck bit and overall production from 5.30 onwards. It feels like it inspired the Tutti Frutti vibe. It has a food name in common too. Anyone agree/disagree/give a damn? [Also the "I'm in love with you, want you to love me too" vocal should be instantly recognisable to a generation of 90s ravers] EDIT I also wonder if Information Society's Running (Nest mix) may have influenced World. Try jumping in around 2.55 . Is this the wrong thread? Yep, but in light of inspiration/template talk above (BTW both the above tracks came out in 1986), someone posted something on the "New Order" (fan) FB page. A John Robie produced track described as inspiration for Shellshock. And I think they might be right. From 1982 this time: C-Bank - One More Shot

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Fotz		#46 Posted : 05 December 2021 10:21:55(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,691 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 691 times Was thanked: 3852 time(s) in 2693 post(s)		^ Yes, a bit Shellshock ish that track. Hooky may have had a point though in his Substance book when he said Robie was responsible for the end of New Order’s innovative earlier stuff. He influenced NO to work in a more standard verse/chorus way rather than the more freeform way on earlier tracks like EGG.

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Andy		#47 Posted : 05 December 2021 11:45:50(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,308 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1802 times Was thanked: 3584 time(s) in 2327 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Debaser Originally Posted by: Debaser I can't find an original Tutti Frutti thread so this'll have to do. I was listening to Peanut Butter (Larry Levan mix) by Gwen Guthrie today and I started thinking about how NO have used other tracks as a template before. Tutti Frutti came to mind here. The first few seconds of echo-y intro, the percussion, the groove. Also the end of the track- the bass pluck bit and overall production from 5.30 onwards. It feels like it inspired the Tutti Frutti vibe. It has a food name in common too. Anyone agree/disagree/give a damn? [Also the "I'm in love with you, want you to love me too" vocal should be instantly recognisable to a generation of 90s ravers] EDIT I also wonder if Information Society's Running (Nest mix) may have influenced World. Try jumping in around 2.55 . Is this the wrong thread? Yep, but in light of inspiration/template talk above (BTW both the above tracks came out in 1986), someone posted something on the "New Order" (fan) FB page. A John Robie produced track described as inspiration for Shellshock. And I think they might be right. From 1982 this time: C-Bank - One More Shot Yes. The story goes that the band created a more atmospheric/ambient piece, thinking they were contributing to the score of the film Pretty in Pink. The director rejected it, having hoped for something more song-based. The band then had a much shorter window to come up with something, so Robie played a larger part in Shellshock's creation due to the impending deadline. If you've ever seen the film, you'll notice that Shellshock is actually only featured for a few fleeting seconds when a radio is being tuned to a station. Ironically, Elegia and Thieves Like Us Instrumental receieved far more prominent placement. Shellshock seems to divide some fans. Some seem to really detest it. I loved the drama and manic edits and drum programming at the time, but am not sure it has aged as well. At the time of Substance, I was nearly as annoyed by the edit of it as I was of The Perfect Kiss. Always liked the line "The love that comes from pain destroys the very same." from the missing verse, though I'm not sure how to interpret it. Edited by user 05 December 2021 11:48:17(UTC) \| Reason: Sloppy punctuation
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perspexorange		#48 Posted : 05 December 2021 15:33:22(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,441 Location: Salop Thanks: 530 times Was thanked: 4061 time(s) in 2441 post(s)		I love Shellshock. It was one of the first tracks that I really played to death when I first got into the band. For years I never even knew about that 'missing verse'. I only ever had the edit on Substance, the 7" and the video edit. I never had the 12" version. The first time I heard the extra verse was when I decided to buy the Pretty In Pink soundtrack, and the version on that had the verse. I almost dropped my bacon sarnie when I heard Bernard start singing 'new' lyrics. I didn't get to hear the full 12" until (probably) Recycle. Although I'd have preferred that they hadn't edited any of the mixes on Substance, I do think that the 12"s of both Shellshock and Sub-Culture are a tad long and repetitive. Especially Shellshock (how many times do they repeat the chorus at the end?!! Crikey!). My favourite version of Shellshock is actually that Pretty In Pink version. It includes the extra verse like the 12" does, but doesn't go on and on and on. Edited by user 05 December 2021 15:37:43(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Andy		#49 Posted : 06 December 2021 12:26:42(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,308 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1802 times Was thanked: 3584 time(s) in 2327 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange I love Shellshock. It was one of the first tracks that I really played to death when I first got into the band. For years I never even knew about that 'missing verse'. I only ever had the edit on Substance, the 7" and the video edit. I never had the 12" version. The first time I heard the extra verse was when I decided to buy the Pretty In Pink soundtrack, and the version on that had the verse. I almost dropped my bacon sarnie when I heard Bernard start singing 'new' lyrics. I didn't get to hear the full 12" until (probably) Recycle. Although I'd have preferred that they hadn't edited any of the mixes on Substance, I do think that the 12"s of both Shellshock and Sub-Culture are a tad long and repetitive. Especially Shellshock (how many times do they repeat the chorus at the end?!! Crikey!). My favourite version of Shellshock is actually that Pretty In Pink version. It includes the extra verse like the 12" does, but doesn't go on and on and on. I can understand that. The soundtrack "version" is essentially the standard track, everything else being a remix and/or edit. I don't mind the Extended version (or even Shellcock) as I saw the track as akin to Blue Monday and Confusion in that it incorporated elements of a different style into their songwriting. The production and drum breaks being their (and, of course, Robie's) take on Hip-Hop. No different then they did later with the acid-house influenced Fine Time. Back in the day, I always wished that a New Order single release would always consist of: 1) An extended mix (preferably by the group or at least in the spirit of the original) 2) A previously unreleased b-side 3) An instrumental or dub of the a-side 4) A clutch of remixes on an additional 12" or CD-single Edited by user 06 December 2021 12:28:20(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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Mr. Disco		#50 Posted : 06 December 2021 16:16:37(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 266 Location: Brazil Thanks: 1770 times Was thanked: 585 time(s) in 266 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Back in the day, I always wished that a New Order single release would always consist of: 1) An extended mix (preferably by the group or at least in the spirit of the original) 2) A previously unreleased b-side 3) An instrumental or dub of the a-side 4) A clutch of remixes on an additional 12" or CD-single The last one being Here to Stay?... 20 long years ago
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