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Dennis Remmer  
#326 Posted : 10 July 2018 03:12:29(UTC)
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Krafty + I Told You So reviews posted.

I'n enjoying the diverse opinions on the WFTSC tracks...


Sorry... been slack... too many late nights watching the World Cup.
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#327 Posted : 10 July 2018 09:44:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer Go to Quoted Post
Krafty + I Told You So reviews posted.

I'n enjoying the diverse opinions on the WFTSC tracks...


Sorry... been slack... too many late nights watching the World Cup.


Ooh, just caught up with three of my favourite Sirens tracks in one hit, and added comments to all of them.
Incidentally Dennis, are commenters allowed to edit their comments (spelling mistakes spotted) and add discogs links, or is is that reserved for the main author only?
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#328 Posted : 10 July 2018 16:51:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Incidentally Dennis, are commenters allowed to edit their comments (spelling mistakes spotted) and add discogs links, or is is that reserved for the main author only?


I would think Wordpress would let you edit your own comments. Its not an option I have configuration control over...

Awesome commentary by the way...

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#329 Posted : 11 July 2018 05:30:04(UTC)
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Upon hearing Krafty for the first time I found it was a letdown: it lacked the panache of Regret and Crystal as an album's first single and, above all, it was too wordy to my ears, giving me the impression Barney had tried to put as many words as he could in a 4 minute song, as if trying to catch up with the synth drums tempo. It took time before I would detect the subtleties and melancholy in it. It is still an average song to me, but it stands out as one of the best tracks of this terrible album.
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#330 Posted : 12 July 2018 03:34:45(UTC)
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Krafty was a real disappointment to me - hyped as the first single and compared to Crystal, but actually mediocre, with some cringe-worthy lyrics. Agree that the Glimmers mix is plodding.
Amazed to get a positive take on ITYS but well-argued as usual. I far preferred the Price mix - gave it that energy it needed.
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#331 Posted : 12 July 2018 04:58:24(UTC)
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I haven’t posted for the last two or three entries, Dennis.

Primarily so as to not fill your blog with negativity. Not that I hate Krafty or ITYS, but they’re just a bit bland, IMHO. Same for MNAD, coming next.

I actually have more positive feelings about two or three of the tracks on the second side (from Dracula’s Castle onwards), so will be leaving comments then.

It’s not that I want to leave only positive comments; it’s just that I feel I’ve been starting to sound like a broken record (mainly due to my generally uninspired thoughts on GR and WFTSC).

I still read all the posts / comments thoroughly and enjoy them greatly. Keep up the great and insightful work.
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#332 Posted : 13 July 2018 08:07:25(UTC)
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First heard Krafty on Pete Tong, a month or so before release.Vaguely recall thinking it was a bit meh on first listen and that Bernard was trying to fit as many words as possible in to a 3 & 1/2 minute pop song.It grew on me more once i heard the longer version (someone on NOOL had done a link to somewhere online).The only thing then i thought was a bit meh and still do is the chorus- it's a bit flat and tuneless and not Barney's best vocal.The music itself though i liked; that "ultra-clipped electro vibe" thing, the chiming melody coupled with Hooky's bass on the radio edit, the guitar .Some of those mixes you mention Dennis i've not even heard.Off the top of my head i have the Glimmers, Phones Reality, Andy Green, Album re-edit version on the second UK cd single, the Riton and also Morel's Pink Noise.Oh and the DJ Dan i have somewhere but don't recall taking to that in a big way.Prob a couple of others i've forgotten.Listened to the album re-edit version from the uk cd 2(think you didn't mention this one, Dennis) just now on the uk second cd single and i'd long long forgotten that one.It's slightly different again.Starts off with the intro repeated more and ends to strings.I'm possibly in a minority that actually likes, even loves the Glimmers mix and in fact i love the Glimmers dub on the 12".Often used to give that a spin, love the beat and the relentlessness of the track, almost trippy.I always found it quite cool.

The Phones reality starts great with the synth strings but it all gets a bit irritating and grating.


Krafty has a certain optimism i like though and i enjoyed it around 2005-2006.

Still remember hearing online Barney's hilarious shouting of the vocals at a gig in France in summer 2005 (in response to Hooky's bass being too loud?)


I like I Told You So.It has a kind of swagger like you said Dennis.I like the lyrics and it has a good vibe of going somewhere , maybe down the old west side.Kind of Happy Mondays meets the Velvets.

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#333 Posted : 13 July 2018 18:40:13(UTC)
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I probably am repeating myself ,or
insufferably rehashing old praise of New Order.
Great reviews !
So many nice things said .
Of course I adore these songs ,even the second one HeyNow,road to ruin .
They have been adding to a phenomenal legacy already set way back before PCL and ever since have casually effortlessly continuously created songs so superb ,so satisfying to the Nth Max degree,
And they keep going.!!!
From the Outskirts of Infinity (j hendrix)
To The Secret Side of the Moon (Cagliostro),
New Order belongs everywhere and in paradise ,hopefully
We're like kestrels
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#334 Posted : 14 July 2018 03:23:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Go to Quoted Post
.. i love the Glimmers dub on the 12".Often used to give that a spin, love the beat and the relentlessness of the track, almost trippy.I always found it quite cool.



Um, wow, i'm a scratching my head now.I put on the Glimmers dub version that is the second track on the b side of the 12".And, it's not the Glimmers dub i remembered or mentioned in my previous post.The Glimmers dub on the b side of the 12" has more of a shuffly beat whereas i remembered it as being a straightforward, bouncy beat.Puzzled, i vaguely recalled it's also on one of the 12x12 vinyl campaign releases form 2006 and found "The Glimmers Dub" as track 2 of the side b of the 12" which features on side a the Riton remix and first track on side 2 the Tom Neville dub of Jetstream.Upon playing the Glimmers Dub on that 12" i found the version that i remembered and loved.That's the Glimmers Dub of Krafty i meant.Getting slighty concerned about my deteriorating memory! So there's 2 "Glimmers Dub" ? Or is there a labelling mistake???


This is the Glimmers Dub i like and remembered (it turns out incorrectly) as being on the b side of the original Krafty 12".In fact it's actually on one of the b sides of the 2006 12x12 campaign (and originally somewhere else i presume?)




This is the other (original) version of the Glimmers Dub, the one actually on the Krafty 12" b side.




Looking at Discogs , so there's "The Glimmers Dub Version" 5.55 and "The Glimmers Dub" 5.40 These are not the same track, quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version".I prefer the "Glimmers Dub", not the "Glimmers Dub Version".

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#335 Posted : 14 July 2018 05:58:29(UTC)
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Just in case you were interested, the 5:55 mix of the Glimmers Dub (I tend to call it the ‘Glimmers Dub (Alternate)’) is available on CD, on this promo:

https://www.discogs.com/...fty-Mixes/release/403579

It’s also on some other vinyl promos released at the time, I think.

As far as I know, the 5:24/5:40 mix is only available on vinyl and hasn’t been released on CD as yet.

I think that 5:40 timing stated on Discogs may be a little over-generous, with it probably being nearer to 5:24, which is about what both the video you linked to above and my vinyl rip runs to. However, I don’t own the original vinyl, so will stand corrected if the 12” does run to 5:40.
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#336 Posted : 14 July 2018 10:14:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Just in case you were interested, the 5:55 mix of the Glimmers Dub (I tend to call it the ‘Glimmers Dub (Alternate)’) is available on CD, on this promo:

https://www.discogs.com/...fty-Mixes/release/403579

It’s also on some other vinyl promos released at the time, I think.

As far as I know, the 5:24/5:40 mix is only available on vinyl and hasn’t been released on CD as yet.

I think that 5:40 timing stated on Discogs may be a little over-generous, with it probably being nearer to 5:24, which is about what both the video you linked to above and my vinyl rip runs to. However, I don’t own the original vinyl, so will stand corrected if the 12” does run to 5:40.



yeah, i mention both the dubs here;
http://forums.neworderon...sts&t=1706#post13149

but i don't see a 5:40 one.

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#337 Posted : 15 July 2018 19:46:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Primarily so as to not fill your blog with negativity. Not that I hate Krafty or ITYS, but they’re just a bit bland, IMHO. Same for MNAD, coming next.


My next review may shock you then Cool

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#338 Posted : 15 July 2018 19:50:15(UTC)
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...quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version"


You've upset me now Wink

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#339 Posted : 15 July 2018 23:55:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Go to Quoted Post

Looking at Discogs , so there's "The Glimmers Dub Version" 5.55 and "The Glimmers Dub" 5.40 These are not the same track, quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version".I prefer the "Glimmers Dub", not the "Glimmers Dub Version".



It seems the 5:24 version, as used on the UK 12", was a mistake. It was always meant to be the 5:55 version used on everything.

Is it only the UK 12" that has that shorter one?

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#340 Posted : 16 July 2018 09:17:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Go to Quoted Post
...quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version"


You've upset me now Wink


Eh? Upset? Why? Do you mean you disagree with me that the 2 dub versions are quite different? Or upset that you didn't review the "Glimmers Dub (Alternate)"? IMHO opinion the "Alternate" dub has quite a different feel and vibe to it than the other one, an addictive relentlessness to the beat and some lovely bits of piano echoing in and out in places between Bernard's repeated "One more day/one more time".

Originally Posted by: Johnny James Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Go to Quoted Post

Looking at Discogs , so there's "The Glimmers Dub Version" 5.55 and "The Glimmers Dub" 5.40 These are not the same track, quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version".I prefer the "Glimmers Dub", not the "Glimmers Dub Version".



It seems the 5:24 version, as used on the UK 12", was a mistake. It was always meant to be the 5:55 version used on everything.

Is it only the UK 12" that has that shorter one?



I don't know,sorry.

Was this alternate Glimmers Dub released or available anywhere else before it was part of the 12x12 vinyl campaign? Can't for the life of me remember now if i'd heard it before i bought the 12x12 vinyls.


edit: Oh, it's on this one perspexorange gives a link to.


Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Just in case you were interested, the 5:55 mix of the Glimmers Dub (I tend to call it the ‘Glimmers Dub (Alternate)’) is available on CD, on this promo:

https://www.discogs.com/...fty-Mixes/release/403579

It’s also on some other vinyl promos released at the time, I think.

As far as I know, the 5:24/5:40 mix is only available on vinyl and hasn’t been released on CD as yet.

I think that 5:40 timing stated on Discogs may be a little over-generous, with it probably being nearer to 5:24, which is about what both the video you linked to above and my vinyl rip runs to. However, I don’t own the original vinyl, so will stand corrected if the 12” does run to 5:40.

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#341 Posted : 16 July 2018 16:18:07(UTC)
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Eh? Upset? Why?


That I'm not as completist as I thought I was... Black eye

This is why I love NOOL.
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