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Dennis Remmer  
#201 Posted : 03 October 2017 19:42:19(UTC)
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Special + Avalanche reviews posted.

Republic done. Took a while to think about it.







On a side note... The Light are currently downunder - catching their Substance(s) gig this Sunday night. Makes me think how Hooky's going to handle Avalanche when he gets around to touring Republic? 'Faith' repeated in a low growl? erm...

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#202 Posted : 03 October 2017 22:26:10(UTC)
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Glad that's over.
Nostalgia? Ah yes. Fine memories of sitting in my bedroom with no friends at all, let alone a female one, translating Latin, jerking of to any image with a billigram of womanhood therein cos I didn't have the guts to get any proper porn and shitting my pants cos I knew I was gonna get my face shoved down the toliet at school next day (they were tough, our teachers).
Avalanche is graceful, dreamy and totally pointless. Still, one word is 53 more than Gillian is usually capable of.
The Light should tour Too Crazy Cowboys with Mel C.

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Love Avalanche, my only complaint is it's too short. It may be mostly an "Other Two track" but I don't care, I'm sure thare are plenty of tracks that are primarily Barney tracks, but we don't complain. If there turned out to be a longer version of this (a la Elegia - although maybe not that long), it might just be enough to tempt me to buy a physically reissued Republic (although if it's gonna be a box set that costs £60 - £80 like the Led Zep album box sets...maybe not).
It's the combination of cold (like the snow of an avalanche) and the warmth of the guitar (setting it off?) that makes it special. Quite often it's those ambiguous vibes that make you take notice of NO. Dancable-tracks-tinged-with-indie-misery was pretty much a genre invented by them after all.

Sooner or later someone has to use this as the bittersweet music to soundtrack the death of a movie hero; all slo-mo and tragi-heroic as he/she saves someone and loses their life in the process. Dying a beautiful, flawed death, as perhaps NO seemed to be doing at the time.



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On a side note... The Light are currently downunder - catching their Substance(s) gig this Sunday night. Makes me think how Hooky's going to handle Avalanche when he gets around to touring Republic? 'Faith' repeated in a low growl? erm...


Having seen his Movement/PCL and Low Life/Brotherhood gigs, I have actually spared a some time to think about this (sad!). He's doing the Substances as one big gig, so that leaves him with Technique + ?? up next. Ok the ?? should be Republic. BUT as the quality of albums dropped after Technique, I think he should do a "best of the rest" + Technique:
From Republic: Regret, World, RIAD, Avalanche.
From Get Ready: Crystal, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You, Here to Stay (well HTS was from that era, and it's a close second to Crystal for me).
From Sirens: Krafty, WFTSC, I Told You So, Turn.

Do the "best of the rest" tracks first , make us wait for Technique (maybe hold Regret back for the encore, especially as Hooky considers it the last proper NO song).

Also don't do any post-sirens stuff, despite previous "threats". That would be a bad idea.

As for Avalanche in particular I 'm thinking of The Beach at the Movemner/PCL gig. It was played loud but not live. It was in a gap between the end of PCL and the encore. Put it in the gap between "best of the rest" and Technique, but don't play it live. Or else do play it live but either don't sing that word, or hire a female vocalist who could sing "faith" and help out on World, Crystal & Someone Like You.

I imagine this post may attract some ire. Let's see.



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Always liked Avalanche. Used to listen to it often but not so much now. I frequently commented on the old forum years ago what a great track it is but mostly received derision and negativity in return, oddly. Years ago on the old forum someone commented the mood Avalanche evoked was very similar to the music in some famous ballet or theatre play that I can no longer remember the name of and I never heard the music anyway so couldn't offer an opinion yes or no as I never tracked down the music, frustratingly.

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#205 Posted : 06 October 2017 03:07:10(UTC)
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Hooky's album-by-album approach kinda falls apart after Technique. I can't imagine him paying 'tribute' to the BBC Peel Sessions or Live in Concert (as opposed to Dead In Concert), and the endless London rehashes didn't seem to have FA to do with the actual band, Bernard excepted. Still and Substances were different cos they were actively involved: they were interviewed for Sub 88 and rerecorded trax for Sub 87. Hooky actually said London was when they lost it with all those remixes - mind you, if he felt that badly, he might've tried to block them. I guess his bank account had something to do with it. It's amazing that between their very public pubic disbanding after Reading and the reunion they fobbed us off with 6 rewank singles (Spooky, TF, 1963, BM, LWTUA, Video 586) and 4 compilations (Best Of, Rest Of, Permawank, Fart and Holes) - yet their credibility remains.
Then there's Revenge, which even he isn't too fond of - and Freebass, well worth the 6-year wait. Monaco were good but can they guarantee a worldwide audience? Last time I saw the Light it was a crappy Italian seaside town but he had a full house playing JD's 'legendary two albums and more'. I couldn't help wondering if he'd've garnered the same reaction as ex-Revenge / Freebass member playing Republic and Waiting for The Sirens's Call.
We'll see.

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#206 Posted : 06 October 2017 03:09:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
a "best of the rest" + Technique:
From Republic: Regret, World, RIAD, Avalanche.
From Get Ready: Crystal, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You, Here to Stay (well HTS was from that era, and it's a close second to Crystal for me).
From Sirens: Krafty, WFTSC, I Told You So, Turn.

Do the "best of the rest" tracks first , make us wait for Technique (maybe hold Regret back for the encore, especially as Hooky considers it the last proper NO song).

Also don't do any post-sirens stuff, despite previous "threats". That would be a bad idea.

As for Avalanche in particular I 'm thinking of The Beach at the Movemner/PCL gig. It was played loud but not live. It was in a gap between the end of PCL and the encore. Put it in the gap between "best of the rest" and Technique, but don't play it live. Or else do play it live but either don't sing that word, or hire a female vocalist who could sing "faith" and help out on World, Crystal & Someone Like You.


This will happen.
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#207 Posted : 15 October 2017 01:35:20(UTC)
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Around Brutal I wasn't really interested. As I said before, my obsessive phase was like my mother, i.e. it ran to seed. M4P was a pleasant surprise though, and Twisted Titness started well but got a bit samey. The Other Two soppymore must be the one album from this camp I know least of all - I played it a few times and then left it in the UK, so I guess my folks will've thrown it out. Even post-Republic, there've been albums I know inside-out simply through dint of listening. I couldn't even list the tracks on Stupor Highways, let alone bring the toons to mind.
I think I was more curious than excited about 'Brutal'. It was kinda cool they were returning with a one-off rather than a full-on album and tour - if I was cynical I'd say it was a cop-out, but I am known for my positivity and enthusiasm. It certainly looks forward to Get Ready rather than back to Republic, which is a good thing for me, but we'll cross that bridge etc. Good backing vocals and lots of Hooky, but some terrible lyrics (again, more GR: think Field and its curtain, or Slow Jam and its all of it). Reminds me of Hellbent, but never mind.
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#208 Posted : 15 October 2017 02:52:52(UTC)
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Brutal was ok.Or ok-ish.It never blew your socks off on first listen like an Age Of Consent or Vanishing Point did but it did offer a glimmer of optimism that more new songs and/or an album would be in the pipeline in the next year or so.I think i first heard Brutal when Mark 'n Lard premiered it on their then Radio 1 afternoon show in about February 2000.I may have remembered that wrong though, it's a long time ago.My first thoughts were fairly positive but i agree Dennis, it is a bit ploddy but depending on my mood i can take that.I like a lot if not all the lyrics and the backing vocals and the eastern ish strings.But yeah, think it only featured quietly in the background for a few seconds in the 2 guys talking outside the beach hut scene in The Beach movie.I felt fairly sure after Brutal that NO's next album would be one of the rockiest things they'd ever done (unfortunately that meant we got Rock The Shack but Crystal and Primitive Notion are great).It seemed like waiting forever between Brutal and what turned out to be Get Ready.

How on earth did you miss the 87 Australia and New Zealand tour, Dennis? Mind you i missed the comeback gig in July 1998 at Manchester Apollo. I only became aware of it a week or two later when i stumbled across the review of it in NME.Was totally gutted, compounded by the fact i had had a week's holiday from work the week of the gig and could quite easily travelled up to Manc .Nevermind as seeing them at Reading 98 more than made up for it and was one the best nights of my life.Saw them at the Xmas 98 MEN arena gig but that wasn't one of their more memorable shows but i did see Underworld perform at that event.


The mid 90s were the wilderness years, crappy Best Of and Rest Of,various remixes, some of Monaco's Music For Pleasure was ok but i've never been a big fan of Hooky's side projects.I could just about take half Electronic's Raise The Pressure (wonder if Paul Lester ever did a review of that, maybe Michael Monkhouse could let us know if soBig Grin ) and half their Twisted Tenderness and get one half decent album i guess.Can't even remember what songs are on Twisted Tenderness, haven't listened to it for years , only vaguely remember the chorus for the title track.

I only remember The Other Two's Superhighways album standoutsbeing You Can Fly and the title track which is possibly the finest song they did apart from Selfish off the first album.

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I could just about take half Electronic's Raise The Pressure (wonder if Paul Lester ever did a review of that, maybe Michael Monkhouse could let us know if soBig Grin )


Do the words 'red flag, bull' mean anything to you?
The RTP reviews were negative, and rightly so. The only positivish one was http://www.feeleverybeat...elodymaker6july1996.jpg. I thought it was crap. Loved this one: http://www.feeleverybeat...albums/nme6july1996.jpg.
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Crikey - got to love Sumner's jacket in the first article. He looks like he left the ironing board in it when he put it on.

Michael - you may want to edit your post to remove the full stops from the end of the links. I keep getting the bloody 'FORBIDDEN!!!!' message when I click the hyperlinks. Getting rid of the '.' corrects things.
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I could just about take half Electronic's Raise The Pressure (wonder if Paul Lester ever did a review of that, maybe Michael Monkhouse could let us know if soBig Grin )


Do the words 'red flag, bull' mean anything to you?
The RTP reviews were negative, and rightly so. The only positivish one was http://www.feeleverybeat...elodymaker6july1996.jpg. I thought it was crap. Loved this one: http://www.feeleverybeat...albums/nme6july1996.jpg.


That review by Dave Simpson is the most positive review of Raise The Pressure I've ever seen. Almost makes me want to dig the album out and reevaluate it. He cirtainly has a point in there being some good melodies and even good songs buried under the layers of production. Doesn't Dave Simpson post on here from time to time? Is it the same Dave Simpson who writes for The Guardian?

The other link led me to reading again Bernard's Raise The Pressure sleeve note rant. A good rant on the state of the world and society I always thought ,

I tried to edit my earlier comment today to fix the mistake of not putting a space between two words but when I tried to submit the corrected post I got a banner come up saying my post had been detected as spam and wouldn't be posted. Never had before but if it's something Spotnick has done to stop spammers well done Spotnick.Great work mate.

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Raise The Pressure sleeve note rant.


Oh that was horrible. 'Wars is bad. Wars is when people do wars. Is wrong. If I am Prime Minister I stop wars but politcals man has interest. If I am Prime Minister no one can be interest, only flowers and sewing and Spice Girl. Wars SUCKS!'
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The worst thing about Raise The Pressue has to be the sleeve.
I mean, who would sign off on that artwork?

For a person who was in a band synonymous with quality artwork, it seems odd for that same person to agree something quite as bad as the cover to RTP.
It’s almost as if he wanted to step as far away from the New Order ideology as possible:

‘An orange, badly-drawn child, in the buff, picking flowers? That looks terrible... yeah, that’ll do!’
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Shit album, shit sleeve. Shit.
I can't remember but I think I once read Neil Tennant liked the sleeve and then decided he didn't like it. Mind you, he worked with Patsy Kensit and remained homosexual, so what does he know?
Shit.
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I remember liking it at the time, but I haven't listed to it all the way through in years. Can't remember most of the tracks on it.

Think I played it for the first week or two when I first got it and then only heard tracks from it again when they were released as singles (For You, Second Nature).
Compare this with the first album, which I played half to death.

Speaking of the first album, although I still really like it, it does sound rather dated these days. One too many 'orchestra hits' probably.
I think I like it mainly for the nostalgia factor. And you know what they say about nostalgia; it ain't what it used to be...
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How on earth did you miss the 87 Australia and New Zealand tour, Dennis?


That's an excellent question. I was probably lost in the social blur of 1st year Uni campus life, and I think my brain was wired for clubs more so than live gigs at the time.

I'd sit my 18y.o self down now and have a stern talk about praxis and moment. He'd ignore me of course.
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Raise the Pressure had fine songs, better than Billy Joel's and David Bowie's pressure songs, but not as good as the 'under the pressure' song by war on drugs.
The cold hard facts are that new order is better than all other bands, and hooky and bernard created more great songs elsewhere.
We're like kestrels
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