No, New New Order really isn't mostly Bernard… the lyrics may be all his… but, a lot of us keep listening despite the lyrics, not because of them. Probably an unfair comment actually, very few clangers on the new album. Anyway, dismissing the contributions of the other four suggests you really haven't been listening that closely to Music Complete.

Marr has suggested he's wrapping up his touring band and solo career for a bit, with his next project being with the Pet Shop Boys, and then a break away from what he's been doing. I'd like to hear some more Electronic, and knowing how much they looked to mix things up between albums, I wouldn't be suprised to hear more Johnny vocals and Sumner guitars if they did. I'm sure they'd only do it if they felt they could do something new, as well as good.

Elecronic is better than their peers of the 90's. And New order has more great songs than anyone in music. Bernard added a voice and words and interesting guitars and synths while always crediting everyone for the music. He is the most valuable living musician, if there is more from him and his mates expect the best .

I thought the first lp was good, but infind it hard to take Neil Tennat seriously. He is an annoying twat. That said inam going to listen to some Electronic today ( the ones without Tennant on em).

Yeah Electronic were great... the début is almost universally regarded as their finest hour followed by choice tracks from the remaining LPs. They also wrote some of the strongest b-sides (Free Will 12" anyone?) of any band I've known. I don't think they'll come back though, New Order seems to be Bernard's thing now and I imagine it will stay that way for the foreseeable future. Plus Johnny Marr seems to be content in his solo career and occasional film scores.

I don't normally agree with posthumously revising albums - Morrissey is especially guilty in this area, desecrating more than a couple of his solo reissues with random, self-indulgent track lists and ruined artwork - but I really do feel that Raise The Pressure is ripe for such an edition. If you took a pool of the individual songs from Raise The Pressure (18 in all) you could very easily whittle down a core of 10 or 11 really strong tracks and consign the remainder to bonus content. Ironically, a fair amount of the original LP would end up in the bonus category for me with many of the b-sides such as Imitation Of Life and I Feel Alright being swapped in. The edit of Imitation Of Life included on the 2006 Best Of lops off the clanging outro and also Second Nature's outro could do with a bit of a shave as the backing vocals get a tad excessive after a while. There is a pretty snappy US promo edit out there which fulfils that purpose. Finally, swap out the original version of Until The End Of Time and replace it with Bernard's own Fluffy Dice Mix which was labelled as the 12" Version on the vinyl promo anyway.

We've probably done it before years ago but it would be an interesting idea for a thread; how would you revise Raise The Pressure into your ideal form?

I'm sure this's been brought up before but both RTP+B-sides and Sirens-Lost Sirens would yield a good album apiece. I never got the poptastic Feel Alright (sic, actually sick) but All that I Need and Imitation of Life kick serious butt while most of the album was pappy and sappy. Out Of My League proved popular and was even played on TV but I always thought it was pure Eurovision. Zzzz.

Had tickets to see them in San Francisco in 1992 but they cancelled the tour.

A friend of mine was at one of the Dodger Stadium gigs in 1990 and never let me forget it.

All this being said, I don't expect an Electronic reunion (barring rare guest spots at gigs if possible) any time soon - if ever. New Order didn't spend the last few years working on Music Complete and it's accompanying gigs just for Barney to drop out and hook up with Johnny again.

Frankly, I think it's ridiculous for fans to entertain the idea just as New Order have answered their prayers with this album. Are you expecting the grass to be greener?

Yes apart from the opener. It WAS Soviet. I remember cos (a) this was before booze, (b) I was a trainspotter, (c) they were hardly knocking out the hits, and (d) I had a boot somewhere. I assume 'Disappointed' was held back cos it was Summery? Bernard told Peel the Pets were far more precise and precious than he was.

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i still have my ticket from 1991 for their solo show(that they cancelled) at Universal Amphitheatre and i went to the Dodger Stadium show. don't remember them advertising a show or tour in 1992 though.





my friend recorded the show on cassette and i've seen other boots of it out there.

Yeah I too remember, some fine day in 91 or 92, Reality fabulously blasting out on the car stereo at a rather mundane occasion… unable to tear myself away, I had to listen right to the end and be late for my appointment. For me anyway, the original tracklistings of Electronic albums should never be changed - too many memories attached with it. However the original album of Raise The Pressure was accompanied by loads of associated songs such as the b sides from the Disappointed, Forbidden City and For You singles, the Until the End of Time and Second Nature remixes (including one called Second Nation, I don’t know if that’s a mistake or not, can’t remember where it came from) at least some of which maybe could fit on a second disc? PCL and Technique I think have had this makeover I noticed the other week in HMV.

There is/was a Best of Electronic album, with a DVD of videos of the singles in the limited edition version, still there on Amazon but getting a bit expensive now, which gives the impression of finality so I doubt there will be any more, considering what the conditions were when Electronic was in existence.