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perspexorange		#401 Posted : 08 December 2019 10:35:01(UTC)
Rank: Member with Technique Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 857 Location: Shropshire, UK Thanks: 196 times Was thanked: 1091 time(s) in 856 post(s)		Originally Posted by: negative1 why, the song came out in 83, so whats the point of including it in a movie thats in 1984 apparently. i dont get it. it was used much better in the 'ready player one' movie, which had a long version of it incorporated into a club scene. later -1 Well, to be fair, the song was still about in 1984. So it’s not like it’s set in 1982, with the song not coming out until 1983. 1983 and 1984 ain’t too far away from each other, either. I’d imagine that Blue Monday would still have been played in most clubs and radio stations in 1984. It’s difficult to gain much from that teaser, but I guess they just wanted a song that summed up the decade; to make people aware that the film in set in that period. And as for comparisons with Ready Player One, we’ve no idea how, or indeed if, the song will be used in the final film. It’s a teaser. That’s all. Edited by user 08 December 2019 10:40:53(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Debaser		#402 Posted : 08 December 2019 13:39:26(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,445 Location: here n there Thanks: 235 times Was thanked: 1920 time(s) in 1467 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Originally Posted by: negative1 ... the song came out in 83, so whats the point of including it in a movie thats in 1984 apparently. i dont get it. it was used much better in the 'ready player one' movie, which had a long version of it incorporated into a club scene. later -1 Well, to be fair, the song was still about in 1984. So it’s not like it’s set in 1982, with the song not coming out until 1983. 1983 and 1984 ain’t too far away from each other, either. I’d imagine that Blue Monday would still have been played in most clubs and radio stations in 1984. It’s difficult to gain much from that teaser, but I guess they just wanted a song that summed up the decade; to make people aware that the film in set in that period. And as for comparisons with Ready Player One, we’ve no idea how, or indeed if, the song will be used in the final film. It’s a teaser. That’s all. I'm inclined to agree with Perspex Orange. There's no rule that says a film based in 1984 has to have all its music from that year. I don't remember Ready Player One being strictly a 1983 movie. Incidentally the track spent 27 weeks in the lower echelons of the UK Top 100 in 1984, and I suspect that was the same in other parts of the world too. I remember going to school discos in '85 & '86 and hearing it played. As for whether it was used better in Ready Player One, how do you know -1, have you seen WW 1984? I've actually just watched the full trailer. It was part of a live event streamed on twitter/periscope a few minutes ago. I can't see it uploaded to Youtube yet but I'm sure it won't be long. And guess what? The trailer is FULL of Blue Monday. Mostly not NO's version but a cinematic/score version, with military drums, big guns and even revolver shots semi-replicating the drums from BM. There's also a bit of NO at the end. And it all sounds immense. The film isn't out til June but I honestly think this is going to connect the track to a whole new bunch of teenage movie-goers if it's as prominent in the film as it is in the trailer. They've gone BM crazy with this. EDIT Here it is. THE WHOLE TRAILER IS BLUE MONDAY (although only a little bit is NO). Edited by user 08 December 2019 14:13:23(UTC) \| Reason: trailer added

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perspexorange		#403 Posted : 08 December 2019 14:22:07(UTC)
Rank: Member with Technique Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 857 Location: Shropshire, UK Thanks: 196 times Was thanked: 1091 time(s) in 856 post(s)		Yep. Blue Monday was (incredibly) still in the top 40 until 20/11/83. So was still ‘current’ only 5-6 weeks or so before 1984 arrived. Therefore, the song is very much of the era that the film is covering. Watched the trailer. Looks great. The song works really well. Love when the New Order version kicks in. Sounds golden.

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CuanaD		#404 Posted : 08 December 2019 14:53:40(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 03/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 26 Thanks: 59 times Was thanked: 28 time(s) in 26 post(s)		I wonder are the band involved in the soundtrack at all?

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50poundnote		#405 Posted : 08 December 2019 15:18:12(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 149 Was thanked: 232 time(s) in 149 post(s)		Originally Posted by: CuanaD I wonder are the band involved in the soundtrack at all? I doubt it. As a song, Blue Monday evokes the time period without sounding cheesy - try and imagine the trailer cut to any of 1984's top 10 singles: When Doves Cry by Prince What's Love Got to Do with It by Tina Turner Say Say Say by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson Footloose by Kenny Loggins Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now) by Phil Collins Jump by Van Halen Hello by Lionel Richie Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes Ghostbusters by Ray Parker Jr. Karma Chameleon by Culture Club Blue Monday already sounded more futuristic than anything of the time, and it's been continually reworked, covered, and referenced, which has kept it in the public's consciousness. It's still a contemporary song. Plus, it has long instrumental passages so they're not trying to cut dialogue around lyrics. And it lends itself to orchestration well. Incidentally, the music arranged for trailers is often just that - for the trailer. Blue Monday proper will likely be on the soundtrack, but not this orchestral version. Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 used an incredible remix/orchestral version of Fleetwood Mac's The Chain, but the soundtrack used the standard version.
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negative1		#406 Posted : 08 December 2019 16:05:09(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 582 Thanks: 34 times Was thanked: 706 time(s) in 583 post(s)		i doubt if the song will be used in the movie, doesn't really look like there's a place in the movie for it. anyways, yes, they beefed it up, and used parts of the original and orchestral versions in the trailer. as far as the 1984 exposure goes, it always bothers me when a movie or trailer uses music that isn't from the correct time period, or is just flat out wrong. this virgin airlines video for june 22,1984, has a guy holding big country's steeltown album, which came out on 19th of october in the UK, must be time travellers: anyways, maybe the song will be on the soundtrack, we'll see. later -1 Edited by user 08 December 2019 16:15:31(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Debaser		#407 Posted : 08 December 2019 16:22:34(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,445 Location: here n there Thanks: 235 times Was thanked: 1920 time(s) in 1467 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50poundnote As a song, Blue Monday evokes the time period without sounding cheesy - try and imagine the trailer cut to any of 1984's top 10 singles: When Doves Cry by Prince What's Love Got to Do with It by Tina Turner Say Say Say by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson Footloose by Kenny Loggins Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now) by Phil Collins Jump by Van Halen Hello by Lionel Richie Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes Ghostbusters by Ray Parker Jr. Karma Chameleon by Culture Club Off the top of my head the four tracks in bold were very specifically featured in/written for films of the time (3 of the 4 are the names of the films). I could imagine Prince's Let's Go Crazy working quite well. I wouldn't mind a bit of Owner Of A Lonely Heart in the film somewhere. Some other tracks from the time that might work: Tears For Fears: Mothers Talk (album version - v dramatic) Pat Benatar: Love Is A Battlefield ( I enjoyed "We Belong" in Deadpool 2, albeit one of the many tongue in cheek tune choices) Billy Idol: Rebel Yell Animotion: Obsession Eurythmics: Here Comes The Rain Again (or y'know Sweet Dreams if you want to jump back a couple of years) Frankie: Two Tribes (all those remixes and instrumental sections) But yeah I get why BM works, I really do. Maybe we'll get some of the above songs on the film soundtrack too... Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Incidentally, the music arranged for trailers is often just that - for the trailer. Blue Monday proper will likely be on the soundtrack, but not this orchestral version. Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 used an incredible remix/orchestral version of Fleetwood Mac's The Chain, but the soundtrack used the standard version. I can't argue with your logic/example here, but as agent Mulder might say: I want to believe. I'd love to think that the orchestral "score" parts might be used beyond this trailer. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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50poundnote		#408 Posted : 08 December 2019 18:01:35(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 149 Was thanked: 232 time(s) in 149 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Debaser Off the top of my head the four tracks in bold were very specifically featured in/written for films of the time (3 of the 4 are the names of the films). Yeah, I noticed that! :D I think what I was trying to say is Blue Monday works because it's largely anonymous (most people have heard the song, not many people can tell you who it is). Prince would be cool because he ruled 1984, but then the trailer becomes about Prince, not about Wonder Woman. Also, Blue Monday has aged gracefully, and the rest of those songs have not. It's a fine line between referencing the decade and dropping into cheesy nostalgia. Regardless, this looks like the best thing DC has offered!
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Benj65		#409 Posted : 09 December 2019 02:31:04(UTC)
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50poundnote		#410 Posted : 09 December 2019 02:32:29(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 149 Was thanked: 232 time(s) in 149 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Benj65 New Order are on BBC4 Top of the Pops 1988 this Friday 13 Dec @21h. What song will this be? Blue Monday 1988? Fine Time came out in November ‘88.
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perspexorange		#411 Posted : 09 December 2019 05:40:43(UTC)
Rank: Member with Technique Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 857 Location: Shropshire, UK Thanks: 196 times Was thanked: 1091 time(s) in 856 post(s)		Yep. It’ll be Fine Time. Barney in full ‘gurn mode’. They actually featured the song on the episode shown last week. They played a couple of minutes of the video. So, nothing major.

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spooky		#412 Posted : 09 December 2019 10:08:08(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 05/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 46 Was thanked: 52 time(s) in 45 post(s)		already visited 3 different links for the WW trailer on Youtube. in each link, there's a hand full of youngsters asking what song is being played in the trailer. really wished they used the regular 83 version, than this remix(which i think is awful) version.

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Debaser		#413 Posted : 09 December 2019 12:39:18(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,445 Location: here n there Thanks: 235 times Was thanked: 1920 time(s) in 1467 post(s)		Originally Posted by: spooky already visited 3 different links for the WW trailer on Youtube. in each link, there's a hand full of youngsters asking what song is being played in the trailer. really wished they used the regular 83 version, than this remix(which i think is awful) version. It's not a remix. BM 83 (re-edited) is at the end of the trailer. Prior to that, it's two cover versions. A synthy one near the start (don't know who that's performed by). And an orchestral version in the middle. ~~The orchestral version is apparently by L'Orchestra Cinématique.~~ Quote: Check out our epic cover of Blue Monday by New Order which features in the official trailer for Wonder Woman 1984. What do you think of the trailer? Enjoy!! If you are wanting to use this track for your own project please email us at orchestracinematique@gmail.com. Provide a link to your channel and the video you wish to use and we can discuss allowance from there. Kindly note, if you use our content without permission prior, you run the risk of your own content being removed and possible action being made by YouTube! ~~The fact that this appears to have been pre-made doesn't bode well for my hopes that it might have been recorded for/by the film makers for the film itself...~~ BIG EDIT Actually I misunderstood what this video is. It's not the actual recording used in the trailer. They have clarified in YouTube comments that it's inspired by the trailer. Which means it must have been put together within about a day (!). Edited by user 10 December 2019 04:03:57(UTC) \| Reason: comments above the youtube clip

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Andy		#414 Posted : 09 December 2019 21:14:43(UTC)
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Debaser		#415 Posted : 10 December 2019 04:31:33(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,445 Location: here n there Thanks: 235 times Was thanked: 1920 time(s) in 1467 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy TheGuiltyParty Ah you mean this. I've amended my previous post now.

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Jul		#416 Posted : 11 December 2019 04:25:16(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 136 Location: Zagreb Thanks: 26 times Was thanked: 158 time(s) in 136 post(s)		Came across this on Ig initially. Joy Division sculptures in Hurdsfield The story does have an odd charm.

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perspexorange		#417 Posted : 11 December 2019 08:56:45(UTC)
Rank: Member with Technique Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 857 Location: Shropshire, UK Thanks: 196 times Was thanked: 1091 time(s) in 856 post(s)		Interesting article, if a little bizarre. Hmmm, can't say I see the resemblance.


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Rank: Member with Technique Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 857 Location: Shropshire, UK Thanks: 196 times Was thanked: 1091 time(s) in 856 post(s)		Just found this. Joy Division and Sooty: Hope you waved...

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