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#51 Posted : 19 October 2018 09:41:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note Go to Quoted Post
This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves:

Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25


thanks, i'm looking back at your blog pages, and
yes, i didn't record the times when you posted it.

that last edit is your version right, and from the notes,
all the vinyl versions clock in at 3:58:

"Tracklisting:

1. Shellshock
2. Shellcock
3. Thieves Like Us Instrumental '86
4. Shellshock (7" Edit)
5. Thieves Like Us Instrumental '86 (7" Edit)

1 and 2 sourced from Factory UK 45RPM 12" single FAC 143
3 sourced from A&M Canada 45RPM 12" single SP-12174
4 sourced from Factory UK 45RPM 7" single FAC 143
5 edited from 3

Notes from the restorer:
I initially created the full-length Shellshock by taking the Substance edit and putting back the edited-out portions from vinyl, carefully EQing it to match. While most people couldn't hear where the edits were, one person claimed to, so for this version, it's all from vinyl. I was hesitant do to this, for there is a very faint bit of pre-echo audible at the intro... but oh well.

Annoyingly, the 7" version cannot be created from editing the other versions down. I say annoyingly because I spent a couple of hours working on it and was almost done, only to discover that there's a brief snippet at around the three-minute mark which isn't anywhere in the 12" or dub versions."


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Edited by user 19 October 2018 09:57:14(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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ROCKET MICK on 23/10/2018(UTC)
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#52 Posted : 19 October 2018 15:21:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note Go to Quoted Post
This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves:

Original (12" single A-side) 6:38
7" Promo Edit 3:57
Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58
Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38
Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25


There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list.

Andy

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#53 Posted : 19 October 2018 16:23:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note Go to Quoted Post
This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves:

Original (12" single A-side) 6:38
7" Promo Edit 3:57
Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58
Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38
Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25


There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list.

Andy



This rings a bell.At some point i've heard Thieves and the "broken knife (knife)" has registered as oh i never noticed the "knife" echo/repeat before but i had just put it down to my ears and mind hearing the "knife" twice, like i imagined it or something.

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ROCKET MICK on 23/10/2018(UTC)
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#54 Posted : 20 October 2018 03:34:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note Go to Quoted Post
This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves:

Original (12" single A-side) 6:38
7" Promo Edit 3:57
Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58
Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38
Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25


There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list.

Andy



That's a bad vocal drop in rather than a completely different take. Rest of and the Collector's Edition used a source taken from the studio master rather than the fixed production master.

Edited by user 20 October 2018 04:32:34(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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ROCKET MICK on 23/10/2018(UTC)
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#55 Posted : 19 April 2019 11:23:07(UTC)
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updated list with times from : movement deluxe

from discogs

Code:


CD1-1    Dreams Never End    3:15
CD1-2    Truth    4:40
CD1-3    Senses    4:47
CD1-4    Chosen Time    4:08
CD1-5    ICB    4:34
CD1-6    The Him    5:31
CD1-7    Doubts Even Here    4:20
CD1-8    Denial    4:24

Extras
CD2-1    Dreams Never End (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    3:41
CD2-2    Homage (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    4:14
CD2-3    Ceremony (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    4:38
CD2-4    Truth (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    5:27
CD2-5    Are You Ready For This? (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980)    2:50
CD2-6    The Him (Cargo Demo, 1981)    4:53
CD2-7    Senses (Cargo Demo, 1981)    4:10
CD2-8    Truth (Cargo Demo, 1981)    4:39
CD2-9    Dreams Never End (Cargo Demo, 1981)    3:24
CD2-10    Mesh (Cargo Demo, 1981)    3:12
CD2-11    ICB (Cargo Demo, 1981)    4:40
CD2-12    Procession (Cargo Demo, 1981)    3:46
CD2-13    Cries And Whispers (Cargo Demo, 1981)    2:49
CD2-14    Doubts Even Here (Cargo Demo, 1981)    5:09
CD2-15    Ceremony (1st Mix - Ceremony Sessions, 1980)    4:20
CD2-16    Temptation (Alternative 7" Mix, 1982)    5:25
CD2-17    Procession (Rehearsal Recording, 1980)    3:42
CD2-18    Chosen Time (Rehearsal Recording, 1981)    4:40

Peppermint Lounge, NY 1981
DVD-1    In A Lonely Place    5:56
DVD-2    Dreams Never End    3:38
DVD-3    Chosen Time    4:07
DVD-4    ICB    5:12
DVD-5    Senses    5:00
DVD-6    Denial    5:07
DVD-7    Everything's Gone Green    6:09
DVD-8    Hurt (Instrumental)    5:27
DVD-9    Temptation    10:22

Hurrah's, NY 1980
DVD-10    Untitled    0:21
DVD-11    In A Lonely Place    5:06
DVD-12    Procession    3:38
DVD-13    Dreams Never End    3:51
DVD-14    Mesh    4:04
DVD-15    Truth    5:50
DVD-16    Cries & Whispers    3:27
DVD-17    Ceremony    5:08

Granada Studios, Mcr 1981
DVD-18    Doubts Even Here    4:10
DVD-19    The Him    6:29
DVD-20    Procession    4:08
DVD-21    Senses    5:12
DVD-22    Denial    6:34

BBC Riverside, London 1982
DVD-23    Temptation    4:35
DVD-24    Chosen Time    3:45
DVD-25    Procession    4:04
DVD-26    Hurt (Instrumental)    4:09
DVD-27    Senses    4:23
DVD-28    Denial    5:17
DVD-29    In A Lonely Place    5:36

Extras
DVD-30    Ceremony (ConManCHE Student Union, Mcr 1981)    4:34
DVD-31    In A Lonely Place (Masonic Temple, Toronto 1981)    5:21
DVD-32    Temptation (Soul Kitchen, Newcastle 1982)    7:20
DVD-33    Hurt (Le Palace, Paris 1982)    6:50
DVD-34    Procession (Le Palace, Paris 1982)    3:43
DVD-35    Chosen Time (Pennies, Northwich 1982)    3:37
DVD-36    Truth (The Haçienda, Mcr 1983)    4:22
DVD-37    ICB (First Avenue, Minneapolis 1983)    5:10



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#56 Posted : 01 January 2020 23:03:32(UTC)
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