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#1 Posted : 14 August 2013 05:46:50(UTC)
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#2 Posted : 14 August 2013 09:35:07(UTC)
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yeah, just seen this elsewhere. my ex used to go out with julia adamson. she came to my house once for tea.
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http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5687241/peter-hook-on-the-rediscovered-joy-division-new-order-tapes-there-is-no-happy

I don't agree with his 'OMG internet bootlegging' attitude. The material on the tapes, while interesting, is probably not going to make a ton of money, and that's not because of internet illegal downloading. Do you really expect music from nearly 30 years ago, mainly outtakes or unreleased stuff (and maybe there was a reason for it being unreleased) to make a ton of money? He should be more realistic instead of blaming that on internet illegal downloading.

But if what he says is true about offering her a lot of money, but her turning it down, or (apparently) New Order's legal person giving him permission to act on their behalf, well, I don't have much sympathy for this lady.
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leather-girl thanks ROCKET MICK? Funny old world innit.
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Whatever happened with this?
Julia Adamson still got the tapes and no one willing to pay what she wants?
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Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Whatever happened with this?
Julia Adamson still got the tapes and no one willing to pay what she wants?


Good question... Surprised Hooky hasn't bought them...

I'd also like to know what's happening with the video tape of the three piece NewOrders 1981 gig at Hurrahs in USA... There were snippets of that on the go about 10 years ago..
There's no sense in telling me, the wisdom of a fool wont set you free
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#12 Posted : 07 June 2017 11:46:47(UTC)
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The Hurrah footage is frankly superb, in visual quality, performance and, especially, significance. This was only there 5th gig as New Order, was when they were still a three-piece and, I believe, was the first gig after their equipment was nicked.

Shame only the Dreams Never End clip is still on youtube. The other clip is even better, but is sadly no longer on youtube. Steve singing Procession, Ceremony and, presumably, joint vocals of Cries & Whispers (only Hook's vocal were shown in the clip). This has to be the only video footage of him having a crack at the vocals (from behind a keyboard for Procession and whilst playing the drums for Ceremony).

I would kill for the complete gig, which presumably exists (or at least is mostly complete).
Well 'kill' may be too strong a word. :-) But I'd pay a fair amount of money.

Hopefully, this footage will be on the rumoured box set that Steve is working on.
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#13 Posted : 09 June 2017 11:42:41(UTC)
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Can't recall exactly why now but isn't the generally accepted opinion of this Julia Adamson woman is that she's a fairly untrustworthy person, a thoroughly unsavoury character? The Theresa May, if you like, of the "indie" scene.

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#14 Posted : 09 June 2017 14:44:22(UTC)
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Yep,Rocket Mick has thanked me for that last comment of mine.I take it then that he agrees with what i've said in that Julia Adamson/Nagle is a thoroughly despicable person, a thoroughly untrustworthy scumbag, a bad egg by all accounts.I mean, if Julia Adamson would like to come on here and defend herself....go ahead,Julia.....I'm sure she would be chomping at the bit to defend herself...... so, over to you, Julia.......



Julia....it's all yours...defend yourself here...... over to you.....

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#15 Posted : 30 June 2017 06:02:11(UTC)
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Hi. I feel obliged to reply to this insipid victimisation of me as not only are there hits on the website from this page, but with New Order well on the Manchester International Festival bandwagon this year, I feel obliged to reply, rather than 'defend myself'. Your accusations are obviously stupid. I've been a socialist since Hannett educated me about such in 1980 - so that's my politics. The tapes have had various claimants declaring they belong to them, but the fact is they belong with the copyright owner and in the case of the Joy Division copymasters the rights lay with Warner Music.
The took me to court along with Joy Division members and estates. I had no representation as there's no help for cases such as this. I do have a very strong claim on ownership of the tapes (this is different from being the copyright owner of the material on the tapes). More than 3 solicitors have said as such.
Although there's a gagging order in place about the court case, I am allowed to discuss it with interested parties, of which you and this forum/website are clearly one. Warner had very aggressive lawyers, who I believe run the Warner office in UK. The courts voluntary legal assistant (there to help the court cases go swiftly for those without representation) noticed the clear case of ownership I had and approached Warners before the court commenced to discuss this. He came back visible shaken saying he had never been treated so rudely and that they had broken many codes of conduct in that discussion.
I lost the case as Warners said I was a bootlegger amongst other things.

Anyway there were no financial transaction of any sort, not even for costs to get to London for the hearing. I've had many folk tell me otherwise, but these are the facts.

I was a sound engineer at Strawberry and Yellow Two studios in Stockport which is why I knew about the tape library being thrown away. Web page about it here http://www.invisiblegirl.co.uk/archive/1984.html

There's an exhibition about Strawberry Studios on at the moment, worth checking. https://www.facebook.com...awberryRecordingStudios/

Just heard 'True Faith' by New Order on 6Music - snare just isn't quite the same, is it, without Hannett.

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#16 Posted : 30 June 2017 06:38:39(UTC)
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Thanks for posting Julia - I don't know where the other poster was getting his description of you from. maybe he was mixing you up with Chris Hewitt?
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Originally Posted by: Fotzepolitic Go to Quoted Post
Julia....it's all yours...defend yourself here...... over to you.....


And lo, here she is!

Originally Posted by: julia Go to Quoted Post
Hi. I feel obliged to reply to this insipid victimisation of me as not only are there hits on the website from this page, but with New Order well on the Manchester International Festival bandwagon this year, I feel obliged to reply, rather than 'defend myself'. Your accusations are obviously stupid. I've been a socialist since Hannett educated me about such in 1980 - so that's my politics. The tapes have had various claimants declaring they belong to them, but the fact is they belong with the copyright owner and in the case of the Joy Division copymasters the rights lay with Warner Music.
The took me to court along with Joy Division members and estates. I had no representation as there's no help for cases such as this. I do have a very strong claim on ownership of the tapes (this is different from being the copyright owner of the material on the tapes). More than 3 solicitors have said as such.
Although there's a gagging order in place about the court case, I am allowed to discuss it with interested parties, of which you and this forum/website are clearly one. Warner had very aggressive lawyers, who I believe run the Warner office in UK. The courts voluntary legal assistant (there to help the court cases go swiftly for those without representation) noticed the clear case of ownership I had and approached Warners before the court commenced to discuss this. He came back visible shaken saying he had never been treated so rudely and that they had broken many codes of conduct in that discussion.
I lost the case as Warners said I was a bootlegger amongst other things.

Anyway there were no financial transaction of any sort, not even for costs to get to London for the hearing. I've had many folk tell me otherwise, but these are the facts.

I was a sound engineer at Strawberry and Yellow Two studios in Stockport which is why I knew about the tape library being thrown away. Web page about it here http://www.invisiblegirl.co.uk/archive/1984.html

There's an exhibition about Strawberry Studios on at the moment, worth checking. https://www.facebook.com...awberryRecordingStudios/

Just heard 'True Faith' by New Order on 6Music - snare just isn't quite the same, is it, without Hannett.



Thanks for visiting and commenting Julia, this is an unexpected bonus. If you are reading this, can you clarify the result of this:
Quote:
I lost the case as Warners said I was a bootlegger amongst other things.
Anyway there were no financial transaction of any sort, not even for costs to get to London for the hearing. I've had many folk tell me otherwise, but these are the facts.

Do Warners now have the tapes? Did they effectively get them from you for nothing (albeit you incurred some costs)?

*EDIT* Also in this Billboard article Peter Hook says
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“She’s found it -- great! Brilliant! You’re our mate forever!” continues Hook, explaining the approach he had hoped to take with Adamson. “Here’s a finder’s fee, a thank you, and we’ll give you a credit on the record. We’ll even give you a point on the record, because we wouldn’t have been able to do it without you.”

I don't know how much of that comment was speculative, but if a finders fee was offered, did you feel it was insufficient? If so, can you help me to understand how that fits with your socialist ethos? I realise this question may sound like I'm trying to catch you out, but as a fan I'm just curious to make sense of it all.

Oh, and what hapened to the other artists' tapes such as Magazine and Psychedelic Furs?

Edited by user 30 June 2017 09:34:02(UTC)  | Reason: added a question

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#18 Posted : 22 July 2017 11:36:26(UTC)
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Hi. I feel obliged to reply to this insipid victimisation of me as not only are there hits on the website from this page, but with New Order well on the Manchester International Festival bandwagon this year, I feel obliged to reply, rather than 'defend myself'. Your accusations are obviously stupid. I've been a socialist since Hannett educated me about such in 1980 - so that's my politics. The tapes have had various claimants declaring they belong to them, but the fact is they belong with the copyright owner and in the case of the Joy Division copymasters the rights lay with Warner Music.
The took me to court along with Joy Division members and estates. I had no representation as there's no help for cases such as this. I do have a very strong claim on ownership of the tapes (this is different from being the copyright owner of the material on the tapes). More than 3 solicitors have said as such.
Although there's a gagging order in place about the court case, I am allowed to discuss it with interested parties, of which you and this forum/website are clearly one. Warner had very aggressive lawyers, who I believe run the Warner office in UK. The courts voluntary legal assistant (there to help the court cases go swiftly for those without representation) noticed the clear case of ownership I had and approached Warners before the court commenced to discuss this. He came back visible shaken saying he had never been treated so rudely and that they had broken many codes of conduct in that discussion.
I lost the case as Warners said I was a bootlegger amongst other things.

Anyway there were no financial transaction of any sort, not even for costs to get to London for the hearing. I've had many folk tell me otherwise, but these are the facts.

I was a sound engineer at Strawberry and Yellow Two studios in Stockport which is why I knew about the tape library being thrown away. Web page about it here http://www.invisiblegirl.co.uk/archive/1984.html

There's an exhibition about Strawberry Studios on at the moment, worth checking. https://www.facebook.com...awberryRecordingStudios/

Just heard 'True Faith' by New Order on 6Music - snare just isn't quite the same, is it, without Hannett.



Gosh , hadn't noticed you'd replied, must have missed it with all the excitement of of New Order at MIF.Thanks.Yeah just ignore me, i'm just a drunken idiot, a simple labourer who drinks too much at the weekend.But i'm sure my rants are nothing compared to what you once heard out of the gob of Mark E.Smith, eh? I don't know nuffink about how courts and legal cases work, as i said i'm just a simple labourer.Thanks for replying anyway.Soz!

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