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#1 Posted : 27 September 2012 05:56:21(UTC)
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The picture of Stephen, Hooky and Barney speaks volumes: http://www.bbc.co.uk

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ROCKET MICK on 27/09/2012(UTC)
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#2 Posted : 27 September 2012 06:36:28(UTC)
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While I was in New Order we completely ignored anything to do with Joy Division.
I don't think that's true...maybe in the earlier years, but I thought that was deliberate, to focus on being New Order. And in the later years, they didn't ignore JD things.

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[Guitarist Bernard Sumner and drummer Stephen Morris are continuing to tour as New Order but Hook is contesting their use of the name and the financial arrangements.]
The question is, can he really stop them?
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#3 Posted : 27 September 2012 06:51:39(UTC)
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Andy wrote:
The picture of Stephen, Hooky and Barney speaks volumes: http://www.bbc.co.uk



I know, Hooky's having to separate them.

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Baggie Boiler on 27/09/2012(UTC), ROCKET MICK on 27/09/2012(UTC)
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#4 Posted : 27 September 2012 07:00:57(UTC)
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While I was in New Order we completely ignored anything to do with Joy Division.
I don't think that's true...maybe in the earlier years, but I thought that was deliberate, to focus on being New Order. And in the later years, they didn't ignore JD things.

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[Guitarist Bernard Sumner and drummer Stephen Morris are continuing to tour as New Order but Hook is contesting their use of the name and the financial arrangements.]
The question is, can he really stop them?



I don't think he can and if he does they can re-brand to Nu Ordah Smile
Let's all wave our arms about !
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ROCKET MICK on 27/09/2012(UTC), Eimi on 27/09/2012(UTC)
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#5 Posted : 28 September 2012 10:27:15(UTC)
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leather-girl wrote:
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While I was in New Order we completely ignored anything to do with Joy Division.
I don't think that's true...maybe in the earlier years, but I thought that was deliberate, to focus on being New Order. And in the later years, they didn't ignore JD things.

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[Guitarist Bernard Sumner and drummer Stephen Morris are continuing to tour as New Order but Hook is contesting their use of the name and the financial arrangements.]
The question is, can he really stop them?



Why does he tell lies, I was at Finsbury Park - they did JD stuff??
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ROCKET MICK on 01/10/2012(UTC)
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#6 Posted : 28 September 2012 15:42:41(UTC)
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They never ignored JD. They've been playing JD tracks live since 1981!

???
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ROCKET MICK on 01/10/2012(UTC)
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#7 Posted : 28 September 2012 17:45:15(UTC)
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ROCKET MICK on 01/10/2012(UTC)
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... I think they tended to avoid JD till 98, simply 'cause they didn't want to be seen as a spin-off. When they established themselves as a valid band they felt more comfortable going back to the past... It's understandable. John Lydon did the same with PIL gigs and Sex Pistols songs, as did McCartney the solo artist with the Beatles heritage.
I seem to remember An Ideal for Living (which isn't all that unaccurate when you consider this was yonks before the Internet and NO were one of the more elusive outfits) it's no coincidence they played LWTUA when Blue Monday was going ballistic. I could check this out but I'd rather think about Cameron Diaz' breasts. They'd also sometimes use JD tracks for soundchecking as they're easier to play.
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ROCKET MICK on 04/10/2012(UTC)
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#9 Posted : 04 October 2012 23:04:10(UTC)
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Michael Monkhouse wrote:
... I think they tended to avoid JD till 98, simply 'cause they didn't want to be seen as a spin-off. When they established themselves as a valid band they felt more comfortable going back to the past... It's understandable. John Lydon did the same with PIL gigs and Sex Pistols songs, as did McCartney the solo artist with the Beatles heritage.
I seem to remember An Ideal for Living (which isn't all that unaccurate when you consider this was yonks before the Internet and NO were one of the more elusive outfits) it's no coincidence they played LWTUA when Blue Monday was going ballistic. I could check this out but I'd rather think about Cameron Diaz' breasts. They'd also sometimes use JD tracks for soundchecking as they're easier to play.


I'll say it again>> THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING JOY DIVISION SINCE 1981!
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ROCKET MICK on 05/10/2012(UTC)
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#10 Posted : 05 October 2012 04:30:05(UTC)
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UpDownTurnAround wrote:
I'll say it again>> THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING JOY DIVISION SINCE 1981!


1983, surely?

Unless you're kicking off that whole Ceremony / IALP are they / aren't they New Order / Joy Division thingy.
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ROCKET MICK on 05/10/2012(UTC)
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#11 Posted : 05 October 2012 06:49:29(UTC)
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El Jarvo wrote:
UpDownTurnAround wrote:
I'll say it again>> THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING JOY DIVISION SINCE 1981!


1983, surely?

Unless you're kicking off that whole Ceremony / IALP are they / aren't they New Order / Joy Division thingy.


That argument would make it 1980. Is he counting soundchecks as well?
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ROCKET MICK on 05/10/2012(UTC)
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#12 Posted : 06 October 2012 15:23:28(UTC)
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Andy wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
UpDownTurnAround wrote:
I'll say it again>> THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING JOY DIVISION SINCE 1981!


1983, surely?

Unless you're kicking off that whole Ceremony / IALP are they / aren't they New Order / Joy Division thingy.


That argument would make it 1980. Is he counting soundchecks as well?


OK, 1983 then... the earlier stuff was soundchecks and Ceremony can be claimed by both sides.

Big Grin

Still, even 1983 isn't exactly yesterday, even by the Hookster's standards.

Confused
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ROCKET MICK on 08/10/2012(UTC)
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#13 Posted : 08 October 2012 05:00:19(UTC)
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While I was in New Order we completely ignored anything to do with Joy Division.


Really? I thought when they came back in '98 that Joy Division got far more attention than it had ever had before. Fresh off the back of the Deborah Curtis memoir and the Heart And Soul box-set which all three surviving members had a hand in compiling New Order were regularly playing JD songs in the set and even re-recording a couple for John Peel's show. From 2001-6 they included JD songs in practically every set with at least a minimum of three getting an airing per gig. The first time I ever saw them in 2001 they played four JD tracks, I've still got the rain-crinkled set list. The Peel Day and MvC sets in 2005/6 were pure Joy Division sets. The Live In Glasgow DVD from 2008 features no less than five Joy Division songs in the running order. They recorded instrumental music for Control. I mean, you could go on with this so I never get why he says New Order ignored Joy Division. Maybe during the initial 1980-1993 era of the band but lets face it, if they hadn't the Joy Division monolith would have strangled New Order at birth. It's generally accepted as a good thing they had the backbone to put it aside and make their own mark again.

Maybe they weren't playing enough JD for his taste, which is different and subjective.

The "their descendants laughing at my descendants" bit, I just can't get my head around that so I hope he's joking.

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#14 Posted : 08 October 2012 08:10:09(UTC)
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The Mod is right yet again. They've said in interviews that the box set helped them be a little more appreciative of their body of work - and the band members themselves (as well as the Brown Owl docu) have said that though they though they used to play the odd live track, usually on a special occasion, JD only really became a 'permanent' (see what I did there?) fixture as of 98. There were soundchecks too (I have some back in Blighty somewhere) and the Ceremony / IALP (Little Boy) discussion isn't worth spending time on.
Blimey, a whole post without the words Cameron, Melanie or fuck.
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ROCKET MICK on 10/10/2012(UTC)
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#15 Posted : 08 October 2012 18:39:49(UTC)
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Michael Monkhouse wrote:
The Mod is right yet again. They've said in interviews that the box set helped them be a little more appreciative of their body of work - and the band members themselves (as well as the Brown Owl docu) have said that though they though they used to play the odd live track, usually on a special occasion, JD only really became a 'permanent' (see what I did there?) fixture as of 98. There were soundchecks too (I have some back in Blighty somewhere) and the Ceremony / IALP (Little Boy) discussion isn't worth spending time on.
Blimey, a whole post without the words Cameron, Melanie or fuck.


Cool Agreed.
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ROCKET MICK on 10/10/2012(UTC)
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Indeed.

The only time they NEVER played a JD song (if you include Ceremony and IALP as JD songs) is 13 shows in 1993. They played - on average - two / three JD songs a year in the 80's.
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ROCKET MICK on 28/10/2012(UTC)
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#17 Posted : 27 October 2012 23:41:19(UTC)
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He was talking about the legacy and the way the band was perceived. You can't just take a few words out of context like that

" 'They all think we're dead arty and intelligent and intellectual.'
"I'm happy to buy into the myth, so when I came to writing the book I was wary about breaking it. Do people want to know that Ian used to urinate in ashtrays? Do people want to know that Bernard used to eat his dinner in the bath?""

He was saying no one blew the cover off of JD's reputation or did anything to change it, but the book will.
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ROCKET MICK on 28/10/2012(UTC)
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While I was in New Order we completely ignored anything to do with Joy Division.


ok... so let's be ultra conservative... Hook was is NO from 1998 - 2006; nearly a decade where the JD envelope was pushed. Almost a decade there. I.e. Not Ignored !?!
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ROCKET MICK on 19/11/2012(UTC)
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