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El Jarvo  
#51 Posted : 24 October 2012 01:32:33(UTC)
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I think it's just a fair reflection of fan sentiment on the whole, to be honest - Hooky did leave the band and subsequently hasn't been very wise or discrete in his comments regarding his former bandmates in the press, it probably follows that the majority of NO fans won't be happy with him having swipes at the other NO band members.


I don't think it's a fair reflection of fan sentiment at all.

Given a straight choice of a New Order with Peter Hook, or a New Order without Peter Hook, I know which one I'd go for.

However that isn't what's on offer at the moment, so people have to accept that New Order will be Hook-less going forward.

Is Tom a better bass player than Hooky? Susan Boyle is an infinitely better singer than Bernard Sumner. Any grade 2 piano student can play keyboards better than Gillian, but I don't think anyone would want them in the band. It's an empty statement saying Tom is better.

At the end of the day, Hooky's produced basslines I'll take to the grave with me - Ceremony, Transmission, Age of Consent, that Perfect Kiss outro, even something iconic as Blue Monday.

You can't take those away from him.



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#52 Posted : 24 October 2012 02:39:48(UTC)
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El Jarvo wrote:
CTB wrote:
I think it's just a fair reflection of fan sentiment on the whole, to be honest - Hooky did leave the band and subsequently hasn't been very wise or discrete in his comments regarding his former bandmates in the press, it probably follows that the majority of NO fans won't be happy with him having swipes at the other NO band members.


I don't think it's a fair reflection of fan sentiment at all.

Given a straight choice of a New Order with Peter Hook, or a New Order without Peter Hook, I know which one I'd go for.

However that isn't what's on offer at the moment, so people have to accept that New Order will be Hook-less going forward.

Is Tom a better bass player than Hooky? Susan Boyle is an infinitely better singer than Bernard Sumner. Any grade 2 piano student can play keyboards better than Gillian, but I don't think anyone would want them in the band. It's an empty statement saying Tom is better.

At the end of the day, Hooky's produced basslines I'll take to the grave with me - Ceremony, Transmission, Age of Consent, that Perfect Kiss outro, even something iconic as Blue Monday.

You can't take those away from him.





You did kind of strip my comment out of context a bit there, Al.

What I meant was that the previously mentioned perception of "Hooky bashing" is, in my opinion, a reflection of a common opinion among New Order fans who, like me, think Hooky's indiscretions and poorly judged comments in interviews about his former bandmates make him difficult to sympathise with. Would I prefer if Hooky was in the band still and it wasn't this messy? Absolutely - I doubt anyone here genuinely thinks otherwise. Tom is a capable replacement for a member who departed of his own volition; I think he does a damn good job. There just no need to invoke Susan Boyle into proceedings though, that was totally uncalled for!

Yep, I love Hooky's basslines as well, nobody is taking them away from him. But, at the end of the day, you don't have people running to your defence when you have shat the nest as comprehensively as Hooky has done in recent years with his comments.

In. My. Opinion.

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#53 Posted : 24 October 2012 03:09:28(UTC)
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This is the incident with Jack, if you want to call it that..Scroll Down


The slagging on that thread was far less than it was earlier... Jack was receiving some very unnecessary slagging for sometime before this. Quite honestly, I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. He tried to act professional, and of course he'll stand up for his dad (who wouldn't), but people were just obvious dicks towards him.


And to some of the other comments, I would disagree that the majority of fans take FULL issue with the Light and what they are doing. I don't think anyone is entirely happy with the current situation, but neither NO nor the Light are having any issues filling theaters at the moment. I just think there are some very vocal people on this board that have nothing better to do than focus on this break-up, blame it all on Hooky and sit starry eyed over Barney... its all a bit ridiculous.


Hook came off as a raging hypocrite when he dissed his former bandmates (the ones who are credited for the band's success as much as he is) for wanting to continue New Order without him after he left by his own decision, and after that he went along to perform full JD albums live without consorting the very same band members that were also instrumental for JD's success.

And after that he continued to bad-mouth them during interviews and they've restrained themselves from hitting back rather well. I don't blame Barney for firing back now at this point in time. I think they've had enough to tell Hooky to piss off. Personally I think Barney and the rest of NO should just stay quiet and do their thing, but everyone has a threshold especially when someone is publicly trying to ruin your reputation on a professional level.

As for Jack, there's a difference between standing up for your dad and standing up for your dad who acts like major unprofessional !#*@.

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#54 Posted : 24 October 2012 03:42:11(UTC)
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You did kind of strip my comment out of context a bit there, Al.


Indeed, my comments were aimed at a much wider audience.
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#55 Posted : 24 October 2012 04:59:30(UTC)
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Eh, I'm not going to fault Jack for standing up for his dad, even if his dad is acting like a huge tool.
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#56 Posted : 24 October 2012 14:20:15(UTC)
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That 'abomination' is rocking theatres all over the world. Literally everybody I spoke to in New York, whether or not they gave a shit that Hooky wasn't there, agreed that the new bassist is better. I met dozens of people who'd been to the gig including musicians, DJs, old friends of the band and journalists who they all loved Tom's input. Aged New Order fans and people who'd never seen them before; it didn't matter. Everyone loved Tom's energy and downright skill.

The only person I met who didn't enjoy the gig, a pretty well-known punk musician from Queens who I was speaking to last night, said that the only good thing about it was Tom's playing. I reminded him about the drumming and he admitted it was good but didn't like the fact that some of it was taped; he thought that was a cop out. That's how picky he was. He didn't like New Order's drum machine.

All this bollocks about 'the original lineup' is sentimental garbage, I'm afraid. "New Order Featuring..." my arse.

They should do something about that weapon with the inflatable microphone though.


The original line up of New order haven't played together publicly since about 12.20am on 1st January 1999 : 13 years 10 months 25 days ago.
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#57 Posted : 24 October 2012 17:57:03(UTC)
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El Jarvo wrote:
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Barney's distinctive unsure and still-boyish sounding vocals still there? Check.
All of the synths and beats I love about the band still there? Check.
Stephen's incredible drumming still there? Check.
The unique, distinctive bass sound still there? Check.


You've just described Re-Order to a tee. Nod


The unique, distinctive bass sound still there? Check.


Yes, it is recorded. Tongue
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#58 Posted : 24 October 2012 18:03:56(UTC)
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Big Mouth Julio wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
BizarreBlueMonday wrote:
Barney's distinctive unsure and still-boyish sounding vocals still there? Check.
All of the synths and beats I love about the band still there? Check.
Stephen's incredible drumming still there? Check.
The unique, distinctive bass sound still there? Check.


You've just described Re-Order to a tee. Nod


The unique, distinctive bass sound still there? Check.


Yes, it is recorded. Tongue


Not sure if serious.
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#59 Posted : 25 October 2012 04:25:52(UTC)
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El Jarvo wrote:
CTB wrote:
I think it's just a fair reflection of fan sentiment on the whole, to be honest - Hooky did leave the band and subsequently hasn't been very wise or discrete in his comments regarding his former bandmates in the press, it probably follows that the majority of NO fans won't be happy with him having swipes at the other NO band members.


I don't think it's a fair reflection of fan sentiment at all.

Given a straight choice of a New Order with Peter Hook, or a New Order without Peter Hook, I know which one I'd go for.

However that isn't what's on offer at the moment, so people have to accept that New Order will be Hook-less going forward.

Is Tom a better bass player than Hooky? Susan Boyle is an infinitely better singer than Bernard Sumner. Any grade 2 piano student can play keyboards better than Gillian, but I don't think anyone would want them in the band. It's an empty statement saying Tom is better.

At the end of the day, Hooky's produced basslines I'll take to the grave with me - Ceremony, Transmission, Age of Consent, that Perfect Kiss outro, even something iconic as Blue Monday.

You can't take those away from him.





One of the best posts I have read for ages here. Al, you bastard!
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#60 Posted : 25 October 2012 18:18:47(UTC)
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was it Rob Gretton who said ,a few years back, New order are going to be the new (or was it next?) Pink Floyd....

he was fucking psychic....
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#61 Posted : 25 October 2012 21:22:45(UTC)
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was it Rob Gretton who said ,a few years back, New order are going to be the new (or was it next?) Pink Floyd....

he was fucking psychic....


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#62 Posted : 26 October 2012 00:19:14(UTC)
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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:
was it Rob Gretton who said ,a few years back, New order are going to be the new (or was it next?) Pink Floyd....

he was fucking psychic....


By that suggestion, Phil is gonna take over the (new) New Order Eek
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#63 Posted : 26 October 2012 01:14:18(UTC)
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Laugh Its 32 years ago today that i first saw new order live at the Ritz in Manchester, boy do they keep me ammused over the tears.


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