Even though I quite like Hellbent it's obvious that the bass on it is a bit "phoned in"; it's not even there for the first couple of minutes of the song and then suddenly appears, noodles up the scale a bit, noodles down before fading. Not one of his more memorable riffs. That may not be Hooky's fault though, he might have wanted more of himself on there and/or the track mixed differently but was overruled. Who knows.

Despite everything I do hope there is Hooky bass on Lost Sirens, it is meant to be the "final" Hook/Morris/Sumner co-write after all.

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Generally performance royalties are split equally within the band with backing singers etc getting a wage, thats what usually happens.

Id be surprised if there was any different with new order but i dont know for sure.

The way it works normally is, bands are paid a fee or a percentage of the gate,then they receive performance royalties for gigs that appear on tv,radio etc.

Songwriting royalties are different, it could well be if bernard wrote most of the songs in the factory time he would be probably have got a more favourable deal with songwriting royalties from republic onwards and possibly a better share of the back catalogue royalties as a result of being so punk or generous during the factory time.

If tim is right and only bernard written songs are being played which are essentially the hits then you would have to say that bernard isnt being unreasonable claiming what he is entitled to and a bit extra.

Along with electronic money that was lost on factory for making hookys revenge album.

It could well be that bernard is earning more from the songs because he is getting paid for the band doing a cover of his work but its all guesswork on my part.

I know from experience its better that everyone gets what they are in entitled to in a band when it comes to credit or money because resentment builds up.

On the basis of what I have read :

Revenge and Electronic both had a promo budget and advance circa £1m. Revenge tanked and sold about 14 albums. Electronic ruled the world. Tony Wilson decided that, rather than pay Barney the Electronic royalties, to offset against the loss of Revenge and not pay Barney, they're both New Order anyway.

Come 1993, and Barney quite rightly wants his cash : the royalties which were not paid by Wilson.

Come the London deal, BS gets a larger deal as a result with Hooky taking reduced royalties to compensate for the missiing £1,000,000. For some reason, come 2006, I imagine the deal has not been renegotiated. That's my understanding. Could be totally wrong mind you, but it's called "showbusiness" for a reason.

As George Herbert said "Living well is the best revenge". Hooky take note.

He also says that the highest point of being in Joy Division was a gig where he managed to smack 12 people with his headstock while the rest of the band played on and ignored the fact that people were spitting at Ian. You might laugh at this, surely writing the bassline to Atmosphere trumps this as a moment in time?

He also talks about taking on a bouncer at a Light gig recently. Both remind me of the New Order gig in Liverpool where Hooky did his best to sort out the knuckle-headed security who spent the night ineptly and aggressively spoiling it for everyone. Chucking people out for dancing, shining their maglights into everyone's faces. Relentless inspection of tickets. Cunts. Barney totally ignored him and carried on with the gig which felt a bit disloyal. I really wish the band had walked off that night, it would have been the right thing to do. Maybe the security would have calmed down so they could come back on or maybe we could have just torn the place to pieces like we wanted to. I'd already picked the two morons I was going for. Saying that, I'm glad they stayed because it was the best I ever saw Hooky play. I'm listening to the recording right now. That anger seems to come out in his playing and he looked like a man possessed. Listen to him roar during Ceremony. Best of all, he caught one of the bouncers a peach with his headstock as he walked past bothering people. That was the biggest cheer of the night and our sign that it was okay to go down the front after all. I actually turned to my girlfriend and said "we can down the front now, Hooky says it's okay".

I've never seen or heard anything like it and , sad as it might sound, Hooky was my hero that night. He was there for us when nobody else seemed to care.

I'm going to get into a fight in Mexico and see if Tom is there for me like that.

EDIT: I'm not really.

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The guys goes as far as to suggest Hooky's playing style is easy to pull off. I wonder why no one ever came close to writing as many good lines, then?
There's a reason Bernard acknowledges his quality even in the middle of this feud.