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I've finally managed to rip the 7.1 stems and the instrumental versions FWIW
it wasn't decrypting yesterday but the discs seems to have been added today and MakeMKV is playing ball.
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes  I suspected this too. Have been trying to track down a copy of this to check for years. However, I tweeted Steve about this a little while back. He said that he thought it would be from this programme too, but apparently it isn’t. I guess he found a copy of the programme somewhere (maybe when they were pulling this blu-Ray set togther). He said he’s thoroughly perplexed by it and he’s not sure where they pulled the sample from.
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes I suspected this too. Have been trying to track down a copy of this to check for years. However, I tweeted Steve about this a little while back. He said that he thought it would be from this programme too, but apparently it isn’t. I guess he found a copy of the programme somewhere (maybe when they were pulling this blu-Ray set togther). He said he’s thoroughly perplexed by it and he’s not sure where they pulled the sample from. So that programme was broadcast 21st March 1985. Low Life was released 14th May 1985 ( or 13th, something around there). Not for me, Clive. Surely the album would have been a wrap by 21st March, final production and mixing surely done and mastered and vinyl pressed. Would've been waaay too late to have added any sample by that time.
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Originally Posted by: Fotz Originally Posted by: perspexorange Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes I suspected this too. Have been trying to track down a copy of this to check for years. However, I tweeted Steve about this a little while back. He said that he thought it would be from this programme too, but apparently it isn’t. I guess he found a copy of the programme somewhere (maybe when they were pulling this blu-Ray set togther). He said he’s thoroughly perplexed by it and he’s not sure where they pulled the sample from. So that programme was broadcast 21st March 1985. Low Life was released 14th May 1985 ( or 13th, something around there). Not for me, Clive. Surely the album would have been a wrap by 21st March, final production and mixing surely done and mastered and vinyl pressed. Would've been waaay too late to have added any sample by that time. Agreed that it would be tight. However, given the haphazard 'fly by the seat of the pants' attitude of both New Order and Factory, not completely out of the realms of possibility. After all, Steve even thought it might've been this programme and he'd have no doubt been aware of timescales. But, even so, apparently it isn't this programme. Disappointing... Would love to know where it came from. Edited by user 19 December 2025 01:17:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes I've finally managed to rip the 7.1 stems and the instrumental versions FWIW
it wasn't decrypting yesterday but the discs seems to have been added today and MakeMKV is playing ball.
I ripped the 2024 stereo and instrumental mixes (don't have a surround system). The track markers are in slightly odd places. There's around 3 secs of silence before track 1 starts on each disc, and each subsequent track starts about 1-2 seconds into the very end of the previous track. I put all tracks side by side in Sound Forge and moved the track markers into the right place (on CDs the track markers are usually about 0.2 seconds before each track's audio begins). Also normalised each entire album waveform for a peak of 0.0dB (their volume levels are very low on the Blu-ray), before splitting each track into individual files. Makes them sound really good next to other digital audio in my library. It's amazing how close Steven Wilson got the stereo mixes to sound to their original counterparts. I'd be hard pushed to tell them apart, but you can hear slight differences in outboard effects (delays, reverb etc.).
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes I've finally managed to rip the 7.1 stems and the instrumental versions FWIW
it wasn't decrypting yesterday but the discs seems to have been added today and MakeMKV is playing ball.
I ripped the 2024 stereo and instrumental mixes (don't have a surround system). The track markers are in slightly odd places. There's around 3 secs of silence before track 1 starts on each disc, and each subsequent track starts about 1-2 seconds into the very end of the previous track. I put all tracks side by side in Sound Forge and moved the track markers into the right place (on CDs the track markers are usually about 0.2 seconds before each track's audio begins). Also normalised each entire album waveform for a peak of 0.0dB (their volume levels are very low on the Blu-ray), before splitting each track into individual files. Makes them sound really good next to other digital audio in my library. Yeah - I noticed that too and did similar Movement instrumental is great, because it really gives you a feel for where they were at as band, and what they had to work with at the point where they were trying to decide on lyrics/vocalists If anyone wants the 7.1 stems for remix purposes, then DM me. Quite often (but not alwasy) the lead vocal is totally clean on the front centre channel, and lots of the synths split out in a way that you wouldn't get with public domain stem splitting software
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Delivered... now I need to figure out how to encode the instrumentals as FLAC/stereo, as I don't even own a 5.1 setup. Any help would be much appreciated.  
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wrote the instructions here, you need a bluray drive for the computer: http://forums.neworderon...ts&m=42077#post42077later |||||||| negative1
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If there is a stockpile/folder of all the FLACs of the instrumentals and isolated tracks, let us know!
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Given how expensive the Definitive Edition boxed sets have become, and that Stephen Morris and Steven Wilson have been making those new surround sound and instrumental versions of the old albums, I sincerely hope future boxed sets from 'Technique' and (hopefully) onwards will also include the surround sound Blu-ray discs, along with the usual CDs and DVDs. They can, and no doubt will be released separately of course, but it be great to have them all together in future boxes. Edited by user 30 December 2025 10:26:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Given how expensive the Definitive Edition boxed sets have become, and that Stephen Morris and Steven Wilson have been making those new surround sound and instrumental versions of the old albums, I sincerely hope future boxed sets from 'Technique' and (hopefully) onwards will also include the surround sound Blu-ray discs, along with the usual CDs and DVDs. They can, and no doubt will be released separately of course, but it be great to have them all together in future boxes. Agreed. I'm buying everything to make these projects financially viable for the label, but what we really need are definitive box sets that ditch the vinyl and hardcover books in favor of just music. A proper box set of Technique would include: -The album -A disc for "Fine Time" with all of its mixes/b-sides (the U.K. 12" with Barney moaning and talking has never been officially released on CD) -A disc for "Round & Round" with all of its mixes/b-sides -A disc for "Run2" with all of its mixes/b-sides plus the unreleased WB cassette versions that were posted online. -A disc for the soundtrack of "Making Out" season 1 as a roadmap for how many of the tracks began. -"Intermede Musical" parts 1- 6 from Palatine Lane and all of the completed studio mixes of "The Happy One" (these could pad out other discs). -two or three discs of demos including the eBay disc of early mixes and jams
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For Republic the perfect outcome is:
-The album
-A disc of initial versions
-A disc of demos
-A disc for "Making Out" season 2 (to map the time between albums)
-A disc for "Making Out" season 3 (ditto)
-A disc for "Regret" including the promo edit, instrumental version posted online, all remixes, and b-sides. The wonderful "Lucky Lou" remix seems to be unofficial but sure sounds like it was built from master tapes and deserves consideration!
-A disc for "Ruined in a Day" including all remixes and b-sides
-A disc for "World" including all released and unreleased remixes ("Tony Garcia Radio Edit," instrumental posted online, etc.)
-A disc for "Spooky" including all released and unreleased remixes ("Night Tripper Dub," etc.)
If there's room, add the tracks from the promo interview disc! :D
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Originally Posted by: Fractured Agreed. I'm buying everything to make these projects financially viable for the label, but what we really need are definitive box sets that ditch the vinyl and hardcover books in favor of just music. A proper box set of Technique would include:
-The album
-A disc for "Fine Time" with all of its mixes/b-sides (the U.K. 12" with Barney moaning and talking has never been officially released on CD)
-A disc for "Round & Round" with all of its mixes/b-sides
-A disc for "Run2" with all of its mixes/b-sides plus the unreleased WB cassette versions that were posted online.
-A disc for the soundtrack of "Making Out" season 1 as a roadmap for how many of the tracks began.
-"Intermede Musical" parts 1- 6 from Palatine Lane and all of the completed studio mixes of "The Happy One" (these could pad out other discs).
-two or three discs of demos including the eBay disc of early mixes and jams It's likely they would charge like £500 for something like that
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Disco Originally Posted by: Fractured Agreed. I'm buying everything to make these projects financially viable for the label, but what we really need are definitive box sets that ditch the vinyl and hardcover books in favor of just music. A proper box set of Technique would include:
-The album
-A disc for "Fine Time" with all of its mixes/b-sides (the U.K. 12" with Barney moaning and talking has never been officially released on CD)
-A disc for "Round & Round" with all of its mixes/b-sides
-A disc for "Run2" with all of its mixes/b-sides plus the unreleased WB cassette versions that were posted online.
-A disc for the soundtrack of "Making Out" season 1 as a roadmap for how many of the tracks began.
-"Intermede Musical" parts 1- 6 from Palatine Lane and all of the completed studio mixes of "The Happy One" (these could pad out other discs).
-two or three discs of demos including the eBay disc of early mixes and jams It's likely they would charge like £500 for something like that They wouldn't have to. I just got the FGTH box set today. That has 8 discs, one of them a Blu Ray. I got it for about $125 on Amazon. A proper, complete archival release that empties the vaults and fulfills Rob's Recycle idea at the same time would be a worthwhile project, and I wouldn't WANT to pay more than $200 for it, but I would.
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Originally Posted by: Fractured Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Given how expensive the Definitive Edition boxed sets have become, and that Stephen Morris and Steven Wilson have been making those new surround sound and instrumental versions of the old albums, I sincerely hope future boxed sets from 'Technique' and (hopefully) onwards will also include the surround sound Blu-ray discs, along with the usual CDs and DVDs. They can, and no doubt will be released separately of course, but it be great to have them all together in future boxes. Agreed. I'm buying everything to make these projects financially viable for the label, but what we really need are definitive box sets that ditch the vinyl and hardcover books in favor of just music. A proper box set of Technique would include: -The album -A disc for "Fine Time" with all of its mixes/b-sides (the U.K. 12" with Barney moaning and talking has never been officially released on CD) -A disc for "Round & Round" with all of its mixes/b-sides -A disc for "Run2" with all of its mixes/b-sides plus the unreleased WB cassette versions that were posted online. -A disc for the soundtrack of "Making Out" season 1 as a roadmap for how many of the tracks began. -"Intermede Musical" parts 1- 6 from Palatine Lane and all of the completed studio mixes of "The Happy One" (these could pad out other discs). -two or three discs of demos including the eBay disc of early mixes and jams That sounds far too exhaustive for my tastes. I like the format of the boxes so far - plus I never owned their albums on vinyl, so I like having the reproduced LPs, along with the remastered CD, and a single disc of demos/outtakes/rarities, plus the DVD(s). Just hoping they also include the surround Blu-ray from now on. I hope that they also continue to digitally release all the 12" inches (although that seems to have stalled for some unknown reason). Then focus on companion digital releases for each single mopping up vinyl-only edits, dubs and remixes. That way I can dip in and download the tracks I don't already have digitally without needed to buy them all again.
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Originally Posted by: Fractured For Republic the perfect outcome is:
-The album
-A disc of initial versions
-A disc of demos
-A disc for "Making Out" season 2 (to map the time between albums)
-A disc for "Making Out" season 3 (ditto)
-A disc for "Regret" including the promo edit, instrumental version posted online, all remixes, and b-sides. The wonderful "Lucky Lou" remix seems to be unofficial but sure sounds like it was built from master tapes and deserves consideration!
-A disc for "Ruined in a Day" including all remixes and b-sides
-A disc for "World" including all released and unreleased remixes ("Tony Garcia Radio Edit," instrumental posted online, etc.)
-A disc for "Spooky" including all released and unreleased remixes ("Night Tripper Dub," etc.)
If there's room, add the tracks from the promo interview disc! :D
Where to begin. The Making Out stuff is O2 material, so why would it be on a New Order box-set? It's like including demos of Electronic's Disappointed. Several of the Making Out ideas ended up in finalised form on Super Highways, anyway. Also, Regret didn't have a b-side?! It sounds like you have most of these, so just enjoy them in the format you have them in? Much of the unreleased stuff stayed that way for a reason, nobody really *needs* the Promo Edit of Regret. I tend to agree with Mr Discography, the format of the box-sets so far has been really good. Hardback books included. What's being suggested above would ruin an elegant format. It's overkill, and then some. Won't happen anyway, thankfully.
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The only track I would like to hear in surround sound is "Everything's Gone Green". Ideally just a crisp, full stereo mix of the track with Bernard's whoop (around 3m47s) coming out of one of the rear speakers at distressing volume.
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Technically the N.O. mix of "Regret" was the b-side, but I see your point. Much of the "Making Out" content was credited to New Order (See https://youtu.be/M-2vAyv...74LAXdRayXzB4&t=2785 ) ... I think Season 3 was where it went to just a Steve and Gillian credit? I still consider that material to be an important glimpse into the band's creative process during a pivotal moment of artistic growth. I recently picked up a very inexpensive 40-CD Duke Ellington box set, and not being too familiar with the history of jazz, dove into it as a sort of history lesson. It's been an interesting experience. I'd love for the band's complete studio recordings (including promo-only and commercially released tracks, demos, and outtakes) to be available with the same thoroughness so all of us can hear them. Maybe it's a minority opinion, and such a project would only be financially feasible as a digital or made-to-order CD-R release, but for at least some fans, it'd be heaven!
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Are these "Instrumental Mixes" a new revelation of God? Basslines begin to sing lightly, wonderful synth parts and percussions etc that were previously hidden by the vocal range. (sorry Barney!) Especially Movement. It's a perspective-altering experience like Cargo Demos. Edited by user 03 January 2026 21:33:59(UTC)
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Ultravox has locked into a great pattern of releasing 2-CD sets of new Wilson mixes plus a disc of instrumental versions for RSD. New Order should do the same! Make the instrumentals more easily enjoyed by all. Edited by user 04 January 2026 09:25:15(UTC)
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Took the plunge and bought all 3 Blu Rays. All lovely but my concern is with damaging my tv screen with screen burn/image retention if i play the Brotherhood disc. The Low Life and Movement discs have constantly moving images, for example the Movement Blu Ray has constantly moving the lines and dots of Saville's artwork and Low Life has the artwork and photos from the sleeve moving around constantly. Brotherhood disc has nothing like this. I could faff about with unplugging the HDMI cable from Sonos speaker from tv and inserting direct into Blu Ray player each time so sound would still play without tv screen on but do i want to do that each time? So the tv would be off . That would be difficult then to select desired options and tracks Just wary of permanent screen burn damage to my tv screen. TV screen is QLED, not sure if that type is immune to screen burn or not Edit: Ah Googled it and found this. So it looks like it won't be a problem with a QLED screen " QLED TVs are not susceptible to permanent screen burn-in because they use a backlight system, unlike OLED TVs which use individual self-illuminating pixels that can degrade unevenly over time.
QLED TV and Screen Burn"" QLED TV and Screen Burn-In
No permanent burn-in: QLED technology uses inorganic quantum dots and a constant backlight, meaning all pixels wear evenly.
Image Retention is possible: While not permanent burn-in, QLED screens can sometimes experience temporary image retention, where a static image lingers for a short period before disappearing. This is not permanent damage"" Using a QLED TV for Blu-ray Audio
If you plan to use your QLED TV primarily for Blu-ray audio and want to prevent any potential image retention:
Turn off the screen: Most TVs have an "audio only" or "screen off" mode in the settings, allowing you to listen to the audio with the display panel powered down, eliminating any risk of image retention from a static menu.
Use a screensaver: Enable a screensaver on your Blu-ray player or TV to ensure dynamic, color-changing visuals appear if the playback is paused for a long time.
Normal usage is safe: Under normal viewing conditions (watching varied content, not leaving static menus paused for hours), burn-in is not a concern for QLED TVs.
In summary, QLED TVs are a safe choice if you are concerned about screen burn-in, and they are well-suited for high-quality audio and video content from sources like Blu-ray.
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Even under Youtube's heavy compression, sounds somewhat different to my ears?  New Order - Low-Life (Atmos-5.1 Mix)
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