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#26 Posted : 18 June 2025 04:18:52(UTC)
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I DMed Spotnick and offered to take it on when he first announced it, but no reply. I guess because he's not planning to close it down til December, there is no urgent need yet
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#27 Posted : 19 June 2025 14:08:29(UTC)
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I DMed Spotnick and offered to take it on when he first announced it, but no reply. I guess because he's not planning to close it down til December, there is no urgent need yet


Fingers crossed! I mean, would be cool if the actual band kicked in a few clams too - could be wrong but I seem to remember NOOL even being listed in the credits of something official once...maybe the Singles comp?

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#28 Posted : 08 November 2025 06:24:56(UTC)
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Did anyone get a response from Nick?

I tried contacting him via a couple of methods, and no response

I'm hoping someone managed to get him and they have a plan for the forum - not long now until the end of the year cut-off
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#29 Posted : 08 November 2025 07:16:09(UTC)
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wow I spent so many years on this forum, I will really miss it when it goes.
I promise to make you so alive that the fall of dust on furniture will deafen you. Nina Cassian
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#30 Posted : 24 November 2025 23:07:27(UTC)
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so we are approaching december, did anything happen.

or are we counting down to goodbye..

later
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#31 Posted : 25 November 2025 08:44:50(UTC)
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so we are approaching december, did anything happen.

or are we counting down to goodbye..

later
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There are some folks on the New Order Reddit sub that recently expressed interest in helping out in different ways. Also a few not-so-positive comments about the current state of the band on there, so take it for what it's worth.

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#32 Posted : 06 December 2025 17:15:32(UTC)
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so we are approaching december, did anything happen.

or are we counting down to goodbye..

later
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There are some folks on the New Order Reddit sub that recently expressed interest in helping out in different ways. Also a few not-so-positive comments about the current state of the band on there, so take it for what it's worth.



ok, a countdown then...

25 days to go...

then thats it... say your goodbyes..

see you on reddit i guess.

later
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#33 Posted : 07 December 2025 02:06:18(UTC)
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Yes, I'll miss having this place as a startup tab on my browser. End of an era for sure.
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#34 Posted : 07 December 2025 11:49:55(UTC)
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I didn't know that the old discography wasn't an archive anymore and became a real URL again.

https://purple.niagara.edu/neworder/

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#35 Posted : 07 December 2025 14:20:48(UTC)
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Will be gutted to see this forum go, it's been part of my daily routine for years! The collective knowledge on here has always amazed me! I'm still hoping we'll get a stay of execution with the several offers to keep it going
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#36 Posted : 09 December 2025 00:39:24(UTC)
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so we are approaching december, did anything happen.

or are we counting down to goodbye..

later
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n e gative 1


There are some folks on the New Order Reddit sub that recently expressed interest in helping out in different ways. Also a few not-so-positive comments about the current state of the band on there, so take it for what it's worth.



ok, a countdown then...

25 days to go...

then thats it... say your goodbyes..

see you on reddit i guess.

later
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Reddit isn't the best, theres a lot of fairly low effort posts on the new order sub reddit (Hookys favourite socks and that kind of thing..ok I made that up). And you really need to have some self discipline to keep out of the 1000s of other subreddits although there are settings to force your default view the sub Reddits you are subscribed to.
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#37 Posted : 09 December 2025 01:03:19(UTC)
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I've never used Reddit and have absolutely no idea how to. I do use the Steve Hoffman music forum where there's one or two ongoing JD/NO threads . The members who post on those threads do seem well informed and knowledgeable.
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#38 Posted : 09 December 2025 01:22:40(UTC)
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I've never used Reddit and have absolutely no idea how to. I do use the Steve Hoffman music forum where there's one or two ongoing JD/NO threads . The members who post on those threads do seem well informed and knowledgeable.


I'm happy to write up a guide so that it's only the new order subreddit you can see. I use it for other things job related so have lots of other ones visibl.
Oh another thing, ai generated slop.Anyone browsing it the last few days will know what I am talking about.(New music announcement from Bernard was this week's nonsense)

Edited by user 09 December 2025 01:23:13(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#39 Posted : 09 December 2025 16:51:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
I've never used Reddit and have absolutely no idea how to. I do use the Steve Hoffman music forum where there's one or two ongoing JD/NO threads . The members who post on those threads do seem well informed and knowledgeable.


I'm happy to write up a guide so that it's only the new order subreddit you can see. I use it for other things job related so have lots of other ones visibl.
Oh another thing, ai generated slop.Anyone browsing it the last few days will know what I am talking about.(New music announcement from Bernard was this week's nonsense)



I should clarify--the folks on the Reddit sub offered to help keep this site up and running.

You can read the comments here. The post was How Can We Save Neworderonline:

https://www.reddit.com/r..._we_save_neworderonline/

Edited by user 09 December 2025 16:53:12(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#40 Posted : 10 December 2025 00:23:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: prog99 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
I've never used Reddit and have absolutely no idea how to. I do use the Steve Hoffman music forum where there's one or two ongoing JD/NO threads . The members who post on those threads do seem well informed and knowledgeable.


I'm happy to write up a guide so that it's only the new order subreddit you can see. I use it for other things job related so have lots of other ones visibl.
Oh another thing, ai generated slop.Anyone browsing it the last few days will know what I am talking about.(New music announcement from Bernard was this week's nonsense)



I should clarify--the folks on the Reddit sub offered to help keep this site up and running.

You can read the comments here. The post was How Can We Save Neworderonline:

https://www.reddit.com/r..._we_save_neworderonline/


I know Wink
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#41 Posted : 12 December 2025 02:22:50(UTC)
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I never post but often check the forum. Would be a pity if it goes away. Reddit is not an alternative...
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#42 Posted : 12 December 2025 03:02:35(UTC)
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What's that line from Alien 3, "You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else." Will be very sad to see NOOL go - although I rarely post thanks everyone here (many from back on the old Ceremony mailing list) for being part of my daily routine.
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#43 Posted : 16 December 2025 11:14:53(UTC)
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we've reached the midpoint of the month.

another 2 weeks or so to go.

happy holidays, and best wishes to everyone here.

will miss all the information, and now we have to wait for official
updates from their social media, i guess.

i liked having the inside track with johnnyjames, and others..

also, will miss all the details and version corrections from
mr discography, and others.

take care everyone, was a pleasure discussing things here..

later
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#44 Posted : 17 December 2025 06:20:53(UTC)
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Sad to see this coming to a close. I wish I could live in the summer of 1990 listening to Technique with life stretched out ahead of me, or in that period when Get Ready was coming out, I found this website and it seemed the band was primed for a run of great new albums. I appreciate everyone who ever answered a question, passed along a bootleg or just lent their enthusiasm to the discussions.
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#45 Posted : 17 December 2025 06:21:27(UTC)
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Sad to see this coming to a close. I wish I could live in the summer of 1990 listening to Technique with life stretched out ahead of me, or in that period when Get Ready was coming out, I found this website and it seemed the band was primed for a run of great new albums. I appreciate everyone who ever answered a question, passed along a bootleg or just lent their enthusiasm to the discussions.
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#46 Posted : 17 December 2025 09:58:05(UTC)
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What's the consensus if this forum can't be salvaged/preserved then? Where will regulars from here migrate to? Is there a Facebook group or Reddit alternative? Guessing not, as there'll be too many casual fans and bog standard casual comments, with less space for the sorts of specialised fan comments and questions we have on here.

Where will you go off to instead?
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#47 Posted : 17 December 2025 10:48:23(UTC)
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What's the consensus if this forum can't be salvaged/preserved then? Where will regulars from here migrate to? Is there a Facebook group or Reddit alternative? Guessing not, as there'll be too many casual fans and bog standard casual comments, with less space for the sorts of specialised fan comments and questions we have on here.

Where will you go off to instead?


While I don't want to diminsh the contribution of any one of the Dry 201 Message Pub patrons, I think it's worth pointing out that Johnny James is our only connection to an official source of information regarding the heritage releases. A lot rides on where he would be comfortable engaging with us.
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#48 Posted : 17 December 2025 12:06:41(UTC)
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What's the consensus if this forum can't be salvaged/preserved then? Where will regulars from here migrate to? Is there a Facebook group or Reddit alternative? Guessing not, as there'll be too many casual fans and bog standard casual comments, with less space for the sorts of specialised fan comments and questions we have on here.

Where will you go off to instead?


While I don't want to diminsh the contribution of any one of the Dry 201 Message Pub patrons, I think it's worth pointing out that Johnny James is our only connection to an official source of information regarding the heritage releases. A lot rides on where he would be comfortable engaging with us.

That's a good point. I've loved hearing about all the box set behind the scenes info. What are your plans Johnny?
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#49 Posted : 17 December 2025 13:25:11(UTC)
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What's the consensus if this forum can't be salvaged/preserved then? Where will regulars from here migrate to? Is there a Facebook group or Reddit alternative? Guessing not, as there'll be too many casual fans and bog standard casual comments, with less space for the sorts of specialised fan comments and questions we have on here.

Where will you go off to instead?


I'm not Johnny James (please see comments above, Mr Z) but I vote: Reddit.

Why? because Reddit is a 'specialist' kinda place where people go to discuss a particular subject (such as a band). Contrast that with Facebook where NO posts just become part of someone's casual FB feed.
Also musicians -includng Peter Hook- have done AMA's (Ask Me Anything) on Reddit.

I don't really know where else is appropriate unless you do a Discord group, but the problem with Discord is that comments just kinda fly up the screen and get lost when new comments are made. It's fine for say, a listening party, but not so great for having subjects/threads that are easy to go back to, AFAIK.
As for Telegram, i think that's way too private.
(I'm happy to be corrected on these thoughts, I'm just spitballing here.)

Also I hold a grudge against Facebook for decimating this place!
There are some very knowledgeable people in the NO FB groups (some people from here for e.g), but the general low level of the posts can be a bit tedious and repetitive too.

So, Reddit.
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#50 Posted : 18 December 2025 06:32:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Go to Quoted Post
What's the consensus if this forum can't be salvaged/preserved then? Where will regulars from here migrate to? Is there a Facebook group or Reddit alternative? Guessing not, as there'll be too many casual fans and bog standard casual comments, with less space for the sorts of specialised fan comments and questions we have on here.

Where will you go off to instead?


I'm not Johnny James (please see comments above, Mr Z) but I vote: Reddit.

Why? because Reddit is a 'specialist' kinda place where people go to discuss a particular subject (such as a band). Contrast that with Facebook where NO posts just become part of someone's casual FB feed.
Also musicians -includng Peter Hook- have done AMA's (Ask Me Anything) on Reddit.

I don't really know where else is appropriate unless you do a Discord group, but the problem with Discord is that comments just kinda fly up the screen and get lost when new comments are made. It's fine for say, a listening party, but not so great for having subjects/threads that are easy to go back to, AFAIK.
As for Telegram, i think that's way too private.
(I'm happy to be corrected on these thoughts, I'm just spitballing here.)

Also I hold a grudge against Facebook for decimating this place!
There are some very knowledgeable people in the NO FB groups (some people from here for e.g), but the general low level of the posts can be a bit tedious and repetitive too.

So, Reddit.


I find Reddit quite annoying, and I'd probably not visit very often. I'd say a general New Order thread on Steve Hoffman forums is more like what we are used to, in that it's forum-based and is moderated (and will be around for the foreseeable).
I know a few of us are on there already


My preferences in order would be

1) this forum gets handed over to a new host (seems unlikely given the radio silence)
2) someone sets up a brand new forum to mirror this one and we start again
3) a general NO thread on Steve Hoffman
4) reddit
5) definitely not Facebook!


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