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Originally Posted by: The Japanese One  I have never heard New Order play anything off Movement at the gigs I attended. In fact, the one and only time they delivered the material on the first album onstage in Japan is Denial at the Tokyo show, May 1st, 1985 — their Japanese debut.
By the time they released PC&L, the group seems to have grown weary of Movement. They may regard it as a product of the transitional period from JD to NO, perhaps.
I heard Revenge play Dreams Never End for the encore in Osaka, January 30th, 1991, though. And Hooky & The Light performed the whole Movement and PC&L albums at Manchester Cathedral on January 18th, 2013, which I attended. I've not heard anything from Movement live either. But that's likely due to not seeing them until 1987. At least "Ceremony" still gets regular outings. When you consider the success of "Temptation" (not necessarily commercially) in forging a new direction, you can understand why they left so many of those early tracks in the past. I maintain "Chosen Time" would be the best candidate for a modern rework, but theres so many later tracks to choose from, why would they bother?
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Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: The Japanese One I have never heard New Order play anything off Movement at the gigs I attended. In fact, the one and only time they delivered the material on the first album onstage in Japan is Denial at the Tokyo show, May 1st, 1985 — their Japanese debut.
By the time they released PC&L, the group seems to have grown weary of Movement. They may regard it as a product of the transitional period from JD to NO, perhaps.
I heard Revenge play Dreams Never End for the encore in Osaka, January 30th, 1991, though. And Hooky & The Light performed the whole Movement and PC&L albums at Manchester Cathedral on January 18th, 2013, which I attended. I've not heard anything from Movement live either. But that's likely due to not seeing them until 1987. At least "Ceremony" still gets regular outings. When you consider the success of "Temptation" (not necessarily commercially) in forging a new direction, you can understand why they left so many of those early tracks in the past. I maintain "Chosen Time" would be the best candidate for a modern rework, but theres so many later tracks to choose from, why would they bother? My first New Order concert was Osaka 1985. The frequency they played the songs on Movement had already dropped considerably in 1983. Maybe they felt like distancing themselves from the album’s “JD sans Ian Curtis” vibe once they established a new identity and direction with Temptation and PC&L, while keeping Ceremony and In A Lonely Place as the almost only testimonies of their connection with the past. https://www.setlist.fm/s.../new-order-63d6b237.html
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Originally Posted by: The Japanese One Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: The Japanese One I have never heard New Order play anything off Movement at the gigs I attended. In fact, the one and only time they delivered the material on the first album onstage in Japan is Denial at the Tokyo show, May 1st, 1985 — their Japanese debut.
By the time they released PC&L, the group seems to have grown weary of Movement. They may regard it as a product of the transitional period from JD to NO, perhaps.
I heard Revenge play Dreams Never End for the encore in Osaka, January 30th, 1991, though. And Hooky & The Light performed the whole Movement and PC&L albums at Manchester Cathedral on January 18th, 2013, which I attended. I've not heard anything from Movement live either. But that's likely due to not seeing them until 1987. At least "Ceremony" still gets regular outings. When you consider the success of "Temptation" (not necessarily commercially) in forging a new direction, you can understand why they left so many of those early tracks in the past. I maintain "Chosen Time" would be the best candidate for a modern rework, but theres so many later tracks to choose from, why would they bother? My first New Order concert was Osaka 1985. The frequency they played the songs on Movement had already dropped considerably in 1983. Maybe they felt like distancing themselves from the album’s “JD sans Ian Curtis” vibe once they established a new identity and direction with Temptation and PC&L, while keeping Ceremony and In A Lonely Place as the almost only testimonies of their connection with the past. https://www.setlist.fm/s.../new-order-63d6b237.html Chosen Time is my fav from Movement, I can live without the rest. There were so many other better songs they had that could have been on Movement such as C&W/Mesh/Procession. I though it was cool at the time not to put singles/B sides on albums but Movement would have been much better with the B sides rather than the samey dirges that ended up on it.
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I don't think I'm the only one who would rather hear "Everything's Gone Green" live more that any other Movement era track.
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Originally Posted by: tapebias
Chosen Time is my fav from Movement, I can live without the rest. There were so many other better songs they had that could have been on Movement such as C&W/Mesh/Procession. I though it was cool at the time not to put singles/B sides on albums but Movement would have been much better with the B sides rather than the samey dirges that ended up on it.
I for one prefer Movement to PC&L. And my favorite NO albums are Low Life and Brotherhood. Procession is a great, under-appreciated song. But C&W and Mesh are no better or worse than the average tracks on Movement IMHO. Had In A Lonely Place been included in the Movement album instead of being released as a single B-side, I’d say it would have sounded another ‘dirge’. Context matters. Originally Posted by: Andy
I don't think I'm the only one who would rather hear "Everything's Gone Green" live more that any other Movement era track.
EGG is a powerful tune. Belongs to its own and wouldn’t fit Movement as an album track.
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Originally Posted by: The Japanese One Originally Posted by: tapebias
Chosen Time is my fav from Movement, I can live without the rest. There were so many other better songs they had that could have been on Movement such as C&W/Mesh/Procession. I though it was cool at the time not to put singles/B sides on albums but Movement would have been much better with the B sides rather than the samey dirges that ended up on it.
I for one prefer Movement to PC&L. And my favorite NO albums are Low Life and Brotherhood. Procession is a great, under-appreciated song. But C&W and Mesh are no better or worse than the average tracks on Movement IMHO. Had In A Lonely Place been included in the Movement album instead of being released as a single B-side, I’d say it would have sounded another ‘dirge’. Context matters. Originally Posted by: Andy
I don't think I'm the only one who would rather hear "Everything's Gone Green" live more that any other Movement era track.
EGG is a powerful tune. Belongs to its own and wouldn’t fit Movement as an album track. tapebias was the one suggesting an alternate Movement tracklisting. I agree that "Procession" and "Everything's Gone Green" would not suit being shoehorned onto the album. The former is bit lighter and the latter is perhaps too disconnected/forward thinking to fit. Movement can't help but be more tied to their past. And there's nothing wrong with someone preferring that to the direction "EGG", "Temptation", "Blue Monday" and Power, Corruption and Lies took the group. Speaking of PC&L, though you don't prefer it, what are your thoughts on "We All Stand" and "Ultraviolence"? These tracks (and outtake/single "Murder") are the only ones on the album that I feel still have a foot in the past. Does this aspect make you look on them more fondly?
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Originally Posted by: Andy Speaking of PC&L, though you don't prefer it, what are your thoughts on "We All Stand" and "Ultraviolence"? These tracks (and outtake/single "Murder") are the only ones on the album that I feel still have a foot in the past. Does this aspect make you look on them more fondly? Not necessarily. I didn’t give a spin to PC&L that much when it came out and I only have an impression of the album as an entirety rather than individual songs. The overall lighter and brighter sound-making undermined the darker tone of these tracks for me. I haven’t heard Murder for decades.
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I really wish the band would revisit Movement tracks in a live environment.
I love every track on the album now, although it took me a long time to really get to like it.
I'd agree that Chosen Time is the best of the bunch and the one I would most love to see them resurrect live.
As for Everything's Gone Green, I never miss an opportunity to say that this is the track I most want to return to the setlist.
The thing about the Movement tracks is that they didn't really move the band forward (pardon the pun).
EGG, however, was the building blocks of everything that came afterwards. They really need to start acknowledging its importance.
Besides, it always sounds awesome live.
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange I really wish the band would revisit Movement tracks in a live environment.
I love every track on the album now, although it took me a long time to really get to like it.
I'd agree that Chosen Time is the best of the bunch and the one I would most love to see them resurrect live.
As for Everything's Gone Green, I never miss an opportunity to say that this is the track I most want to return to the setlist.
The thing about the Movement tracks is that they didn't really move the band forward (pardon the pun).
EGG, however, was the building blocks of everything that came afterwards. They really need to start acknowledging its importance.
Besides, it always sounds awesome live. The "Street Hassle" version of "Temptation" they're been playing has had a long life. It's time for it to be replaced with an "Everything's Gone Green"/"Temptation" medley.
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Chosen Time is a good tune — lyrics aside, it sounds to my ears like a cousin to C&W in its sense of urgency. However, Senses, The Him and Doubts Even Here compare favorably or even better IMHO. The last two are my faves on Movement.
I sometimes feel album opener Dreams Never End doesn’t jell well with the remainder of the songs for its brightness and generally positive vibe. Might be more fitting on PC&L?
The only time I heard EGG live was in Tokyo, January 28th, 1987, and it remains the song’s only live exposure in Japan to this day. Third song on the set and not an extended, grand performance AFAIR.
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Bit late to this party… 1998 Flew to the UK for the Phoenix Festival. It was cancelled. Does that count?  2002-01-20 Gold Coast AU - Big Day Out 2002-01-23 Sydney AU - Hordern Pavilion 2012-03-03 Brisbane AU - Future Music Festival 2016-06-04 Sydney AU - Opera House / Vivid 2016-06-05 Sydney AU - Opera House / Vivid 2020-03-11 Sydney AU - Hordern Pavilion Hooky / Light 2010-09-27 Brisbane AU - The Tivoli 2015-02-18 Brisbane AU - The Tivoli 2017-10-08 Brisbane AU - The Tivoli 2022-11-25 Brisbane AU - The Tivoli 2024-05-22 Brisbane AU - The Tivoli My only regret is not catching them on their 1987 Brotherhood tour through the colony. I’m kicking my 17yo self as we speak.
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Originally Posted by: Dennis Remmer
Bit late to this party…
Better late than never. Thanks Dennis. There’s no deadline for the CV submission. Anyone else?
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