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Debaser		#51 Posted : 13 September 2023 13:36:35(UTC)
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negative1		#52 Posted : 13 September 2023 13:50:21(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,190 Thanks: 940 times Was thanked: 1782 time(s) in 1191 post(s)		so, the colored vinyl is being picked up by bullmoose, and a few other sellers now. interestingly, they are saying that it is a Record Store Release, so maybe copies are being allocated for that also. Colored transparent vinyl shouldn't sound any worse than black, because black is just a color too. Now if was these bootleg (counterfeit) marbled ones, thats a different story, maybe those were lathe cuts. later \| \|\| \| \|\| \| ne gative 1

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Johnny James		#53 Posted : 13 September 2023 13:53:12(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Interesting that the cassette reissue has the original 2CD tracklist rather than the longer 1987 cassette tracklist. Understandable, as I had to buy the tape twice as cassette two was so long it got chewed up several times (thinner tape)! It will replicate the original cassette tracklist, Murder on Tape 1 and a few of the CD3 tracks on Tape 2. There are a few tracklist errors that we're trying to iron out in the press etc.

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Johnny James		#54 Posted : 13 September 2023 13:57:05(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: steinomite Being of the camp that did not think that a "Definitive Edition" box set was warranted for a "Substance" reissue, I am glad that the band decided to reissue it as a standalone release. With this being a popular title for more casual fans of New Order, I imagine this will sell rather well. Johnny James - Why wasn't a "Touched by the Hand of God" single released in conjunction with the "True Faith" and "Blue Monday 88" singles? With it having been released in 1987 and having "Substance" related B-sides on the CD single, I thought it would make more sense to reissue it with "Substance" versus "Brotherhood" or "Technique." -Mike They wanted to do BM because it's the 40th anniversary. Doing 3 now and 3 with Brotherhood also works ok, perhaps the sequencing is a bit out, but in the end that doesn't make much difference.

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Johnny James		#55 Posted : 13 September 2023 14:00:15(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 451 Location: UK Was thanked: 1045 time(s) in 451 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Johnny, is the live disc sourced from the soundboard, or is it the audience recording that's circulated? https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact/2560/NEW_ORDER_MASTER_TAPE_1987 Here is the master, an old and mouldy desk tape.

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Col72		#56 Posted : 14 September 2023 03:45:06(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 62 Location: Fife Thanks: 128 times Was thanked: 92 time(s) in 63 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Johnny, is the live disc sourced from the soundboard, or is it the audience recording that's circulated? https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact/2560/NEW_ORDER_MASTER_TAPE_1987 Here is the master, an old and mouldy desk tape. Any chance of a release of the other 3 songs at that gig ??
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negative1		#57 Posted : 14 September 2023 04:50:53(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,190 Thanks: 940 times Was thanked: 1782 time(s) in 1191 post(s)		the superdeluxedition article : https://superdeluxeediti...-substance-1987-reissue/ later \| \|\| \| \| \| \|\| ne gative 1

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Mr Discography		#58 Posted : 14 September 2023 09:11:02(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 395 Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 764 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Really minor point, and a very anal point to make, but I hope the duration of the gaps between the tracks has been kept the same as the original Substance release. I know the original so well, that I'll expect Subculture to kick in the very moment that odd "goblin" (or whatever it is) sound effect stops at the end of The Perfect Kiss', rather than have two seconds of silence between the tracks. I've often wondered if remastered albums preserve the original length of silences between the tracks. Johnny, has this version of Substance been mastered specifically as its own album from the original Substance master tapes, or does it just complie the individual versions of singles that have already been remastered as their own recent digital re-eleases without any further mastering or level adjusting? Edited by user 14 September 2023 09:11:48(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#59 Posted : 14 September 2023 09:33:48(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,387 Location: Salop Thanks: 506 times Was thanked: 3862 time(s) in 2387 post(s)		Ordered the red/blue vinyl yesterday from Rough Trade. £59.83 inc. faster/tracked delivery. And just ordered 4CD, plus 3 x 12"s from Amazon.co.uk. £73.96 with Prime, plus 'lowest price' guarantee. Was tempted by the t-shirt, but decided against it for he time being. A lot of money spent, but the LP is worth it. Best compilation ever? Probably.

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Andy		#60 Posted : 14 September 2023 10:13:01(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,221 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3344 time(s) in 2241 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Col72 Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Johnny, is the live disc sourced from the soundboard, or is it the audience recording that's circulated? https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact/2560/NEW_ORDER_MASTER_TAPE_1987 Here is the master, an old and mouldy desk tape. Any chance of a release of the other 3 songs at that gig ?? It would require an additional disc, which is surely why they decided against it. A nice gesture for completists would be to make them available for download, but that seems an unlikely prospect.
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Andy		#61 Posted : 14 September 2023 10:19:28(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,221 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3344 time(s) in 2241 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Ordered the red/blue vinyl yesterday from Rough Trade. £59.83 inc. faster/tracked delivery. And just ordered 4CD, plus 3 x 12"s from Amazon.co.uk. £73.96 with Prime, plus 'lowest price' guarantee. Was tempted by the t-shirt, but decided against it for he time being. A lot of money spent, but the LP is worth it. Best compilation ever? Probably. I will probably just do the 4CD set ($49.99 US), as I've no use for cassettes or vinyl. I would be swayed to spring for the Ultimate Bundle ($149.99 US) if it was presented in a nice box/package, but there's no indication that's the case. If it's just all the items shipped in a cardboard box, I'll keep my cash.
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The Shadow		#62 Posted : 14 September 2023 12:41:11(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 30/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Derby Thanks: 91 times Was thanked: 581 time(s) in 412 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Ordered the red/blue vinyl yesterday from Rough Trade. £59.83 inc. faster/tracked delivery. And just ordered 4CD, plus 3 x 12"s from Amazon.co.uk. £73.96 with Prime, plus 'lowest price' guarantee. Was tempted by the t-shirt, but decided against it for he time being. A lot of money spent, but the LP is worth it. Best compilation ever? Probably. It’s definitely the best comp ever in my eyes. however going to give this one a miss. I’m lucky enough to own the substance promo (not for sale unless desperate) and the original mass release vinyl as well as the CD. The 3 x12” on offer my originals are all decent condition. However my true faith remix has only a paper inner sleeve. I can’t remember if it ever had a proper inner sleeve, can anyone else remember? Hardly ever played BM 88 so that’s pristine. Hammered the original TF but still in decent condition. I’m a vinyl man so not too bothered about cd’s although I will download the Irvine meadows gig. It’s a great package though just not in need of it. All the other recent rereleases are in boxes which are nicely displayed so I may have also been tempted if box set. Looking forward to brotherhood box set as my vinyl for that album is in poor shape so could do with a nice remaster. Same with BLT 12 which has lots of pops and crackles.
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The Shadow		#63 Posted : 14 September 2023 12:42:14(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 30/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Derby Thanks: 91 times Was thanked: 581 time(s) in 412 post(s)		Although the red and blue vinyl does look good, may be tempted yet!
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ROCKET MICK		#64 Posted : 14 September 2023 13:20:19(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 219 Thanks: 37961 times Was thanked: 229 time(s) in 126 post(s)		The Shadow I have several Remixes..some have A proper inner printed sleeve whilst a USA or Aussie one has a plastic inner sleeve. In the days when I had no other New Order collecting friends and very little info on such records it was quite fun finding these in shops around Lancashire.

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ROCKET MICK		#65 Posted : 14 September 2023 13:24:00(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 219 Thanks: 37961 times Was thanked: 229 time(s) in 126 post(s)		I too own Number 50 Substance promo that I got from The Record Collector..Mark Eastwood in Minty mint condition for approx £30 around 1990. Lovely..I should play it sometime.

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M1		#66 Posted : 14 September 2023 13:50:08(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 243 Location: Adelaide Thanks: 112 times Was thanked: 309 time(s) in 243 post(s)		Originally Posted by: The Shadow Although the red and blue vinyl does look good, may be tempted yet! Ha! The curse of the vinyl / NO collector...also trying to hold out buying something I ultimately don't need. But deep down you know it won't last ;)

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depthcharge		#67 Posted : 15 September 2023 01:39:05(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 16/02/2013(UTC) Posts: 194 Location: Australia Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 326 time(s) in 195 post(s)		Grabbed both vinyls, both CDs, the three 12"s and cassettes. No tee or poster for now. All coming from a variety of sources as the shipping down here is almost as horrendous as local retail mark-up.

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GotBlueEyes		#68 Posted : 15 September 2023 02:13:47(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 342 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 632 time(s) in 340 post(s)		Originally Posted by: The Shadow The 3 x12” on offer my originals are all decent condition. However my true faith remix has only a paper inner sleeve. I can’t remember if it ever had a proper inner sleeve, can anyone else remember? Hardly ever played BM 88 so that’s pristine. Hammered the original TF but still in decent condition. I have the original double vinyl Substance and the only 12" I don't have is Blue Monday 88, so that's the only one I'll pick up here (will probably get the CD too for the live gig and remasters) But a question on the pricing of the 12"s here Looking back at my Amazon orders and the new ones that I picked up for the Movement and PCL sets were all £10 The ones that came out with Low-Life were £14 This time they are all £18 on Amazon Has the cost of vinyl really nearly doubled in 4 years??

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Like No Other		#69 Posted : 15 September 2023 07:25:49(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 27/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Beverley Thanks: 821 times Was thanked: 115 time(s) in 55 post(s)		Yeah think I picked up most of the early 12" up for less than £10, I suppose the cost of producing a 12" can't be far off the same as a LP, do any bands bring out 12" nowadays - minimum is an EP probably?

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Andy		#70 Posted : 15 September 2023 09:36:54(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,221 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3344 time(s) in 2241 post(s)		Interesting article on remasters and New Order's specifically: Darko.Audio I've been satisfied with the recent remasters, perhaps I'm not an audiophile... I can say the Japanese CD release from 1993 does sound better than the original Qwest and Factory pressings I've owned. As long as the new remaster sounds at least as good, I'll be happy.
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Fotz		#71 Posted : 15 September 2023 10:03:43(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,659 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 680 times Was thanked: 3744 time(s) in 2660 post(s)		Not much to add . Not sure i'll buy. Will probably just listen on streaming. I did buy the vinyl back in August 1987 though i was always more enthusiastic about new material. I'd been buying up all the 12"'s in the previous few years before so i was too familiar i think with the songs. I guess it would have been amazing to hear all the 12"'s for the first time back in 1987 with a copy of Substance but hey. The vinyl i bought back in 87 was the gatefold. I just walked into Our Price and purchased. I sold a load of records in the late 80s including Substance gatefold. Duh, what an idiot, it's worth a few hundred now, right? The vinyl i jave now is just a slip 12" sleeve the 2 discs insert into. Listening a while back i wasn't blown away by the audio quailty. Maybe it's not even a genuine? So that's a reason i suppose to buy the reissue. Funny to think now, Substance was announced in the music press only 2 or 3 weeks before release back then. It's 2 months at least these days.

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lee		#72 Posted : 15 September 2023 10:42:17(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 19/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 211 Location: the middle of nowhere Thanks: 7 times Was thanked: 331 time(s) in 212 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Interesting article on remasters and New Order's specifically: Darko.Audio I've been satisfied with the recent remasters, perhaps I'm not an audiophile... I can say the Japanese CD release from 1993 does sound better than the original Qwest and Factory pressings I've owned. As long as the new remaster sounds at least as good, I'll be happy. I've just read that link and i'm glad i'm not an audiophile if they go into things that deeply! What i do know is the 2023 remaster of confusion dub on spotify sounds ok to me through my decent(ish) headphones I'll be buying the cd and maybe the vinyl....just to look at and stick with my others as i don't have a cd player or record player anymore! Edited by user 15 September 2023 10:58:28(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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negative1		#73 Posted : 15 September 2023 11:39:28(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,190 Thanks: 940 times Was thanked: 1782 time(s) in 1191 post(s)		Originally Posted by: lee Originally Posted by: Andy Interesting article on remasters and New Order's specifically: Darko.Audio I've been satisfied with the recent remasters, perhaps I'm not an audiophile... I can say the Japanese CD release from 1993 does sound better than the original Qwest and Factory pressings I've owned. As long as the new remaster sounds at least as good, I'll be happy. I've just read that link and i'm glad i'm not an audiophile if they go into things that deeply! What i do know is the 2023 remaster of confusion dub on spotify sounds ok to me through my decent(ish) headphones I'll be buying the cd and maybe the vinyl....just to look at and stick with my others as i don't have a cd player or record player anymore! i like collecting, so most of my stuff will all stay sealed just to go along with it. i already have the tracks digitally already for most of them. later \| \|\| \|\| \| \| ne gative 1

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The Shadow		#74 Posted : 15 September 2023 11:44:07(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 30/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Derby Thanks: 91 times Was thanked: 581 time(s) in 412 post(s)		Originally Posted by: ROCKET MICK I too own Number 50 Substance promo that I got from The Record Collector..Mark Eastwood in Minty mint condition for approx £30 around 1990. Lovely..I should play it sometime. I was luckily enough to pay not much many years ago, now goes for over £600 on discogs. I’ve got number 292
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tapebias		#75 Posted : 15 September 2023 11:46:09(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 28/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: UK Thanks: 36 times Was thanked: 320 time(s) in 176 post(s)		What's next apart from the Albums? Any possibilty of the FACTUS 81-82 EP expanded? All the available tracks from that period in a nice double CD package, no books or funny coloured vinyl just songs that people want to listen to. Mesh, C&W, IALP, EGG etc. £19.99. I'd buy it!

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