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#176 Posted : 30 April 2022 02:21:45(UTC)
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#177 Posted : 30 April 2022 02:38:14(UTC)
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Hmm, yeah, I thought that for years.
That Buttrich remix has made me doubt myself though.
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#178 Posted : 30 April 2022 02:56:34(UTC)
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Live version. Do we trust 'live' Barney?


Jump to around 2:48.

I'm hearing a strong V in "covers" (almost sounds west-country, "cuvers")

I'm hearing "stems"

and yes Perspex, I'm hearing "disarrangement" rather than estrangement.

Mind you, sometimes Priming in our own heads can affect what we (think we) hear...
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#179 Posted : 30 April 2022 04:41:49(UTC)
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Do we trust 'live' Barney?


Never! Big Grin

However, yeah, this pretty much seals that it's 'covers'. Or, at least, he decided to change it by the time they got to this gig, either permanently or on a whim.



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(almost sounds west-country, "cuvers")


HaHa. yep. It does.
O-right, my luvverrr!

Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post

I'm hearing "stems"


In this live version, it almost sounds like 'spreads'. Well, to me it does, at least. Probably another example of Bernard changing lyrics on a whim.

But, yeah, I'm sure the studio version is 'stems', and I'm 99% sure it's 'disarrangement' rather than 'estrangement' (based on the Buttrich mix, which is much clearer).

Where they got 'sprung' from is anyone's guess though.
I reckon they, rather than mishearing the word, just made a mistake when typing in the text. They meant to type 'stems' but ended up copying the word 'sprung' from the previous line ('Confusion sprung up from devotion').
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#180 Posted : 30 April 2022 08:02:09(UTC)
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"stems" and "disarrangement" for me, Clive.


At least I'm not alone.

And where do you stand on the 'covers' / 'colours' issue? Big Grin


"Disarragement" and "covers", for me.

Good spot.

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#181 Posted : 30 April 2022 08:04:00(UTC)
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They're understandably getting a lot of grief regarding this ignorant tweet: NewOrderTwitter
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#182 Posted : 30 April 2022 08:38:58(UTC)
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They're understandably getting a lot of grief regarding this ignorant tweet: NewOrderTwitter


D'oh!

Although I understand we all make mistakes, that's quite the clanger. You'd think the easy answer here would've been to check it out on Wikipedia etc. I'm thinking they may have seen the expanded edition of the LP on Spotify/Apple Music etc.


I suppose it's a bit of a dilemma.
Do you appoint someone to monitor a band's social media profile who is media savvy, with years of experience?
Or do you appoint a fan of the band who'd catch errors like this?



It's probably much easier with 'new' bands. Less history to mess up, plus there's a good chance that you'd get plenty of candidates who fit the joint roles of 'fan' and 'pro'.

Us old bastards who love the band, probably don't know a hashtag from a hash-brown.
Or is that just me?
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#183 Posted : 30 April 2022 12:10:58(UTC)
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A monumental clanger, that.
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#184 Posted : 19 May 2022 02:28:17(UTC)
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For those who don't do twitter:


and a couple of older posts:





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#185 Posted : 19 May 2022 02:42:13(UTC)
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Cheers.
Spotted the first one on Twitter yesterday, which I think is 'new'. I think the other two were originally posted a few months back, along with this one:

UserPostedImage

Interestingly, as mentioned by Steve, these are from the 23/05/79 gig rather than the more famous 14/03/79 one (which Whitehead filmed and Martin O'Neill took copies photos of).

As far as I know, there is only one other photo of this gig, which has Ian with a very weird facial expression:


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ROCKET MICK on 18/09/2022(UTC)
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#186 Posted : 16 June 2022 07:12:28(UTC)
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#187 Posted : 20 June 2022 02:00:38(UTC)
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They put up another "official lyric" video from Procession which still has several mistakes in the lyrics.

Looks suspiciously like someone just googled the lyrics and did a cut/past job from a dodgy website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gNesiu56c
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#188 Posted : 22 June 2022 06:58:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
They put up another "official lyric" video from Procession which still has several mistakes in the lyrics.

Looks suspiciously like someone just googled the lyrics and did a cut/past job from a dodgy website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gNesiu56c


yes, it was discussed here:
http://forums.neworderon....aspx?g=posts&t=5053

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ROCKET MICK on 18/09/2022(UTC)
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#189 Posted : 22 June 2022 15:56:43(UTC)
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"Social Media Manager" for New Order: Joseph Eley
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#190 Posted : 26 June 2022 18:41:58(UTC)
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Via Mark Kavanagh @djmarkcavanagh on Twitter, during a Q&A with Stephen at yesterday's Hinterland Festival, Gillian is writing her memoir.

Hers is the one I most want to read.

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#191 Posted : 27 June 2022 11:53:00(UTC)
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Via Mark Kavanagh @djmarkcavanagh on Twitter, during a Q&A with Stephen at yesterday's Hinterland Festival, Gillian is writing her memoir.

Hers is the one I most want to read.


Yeah - noticed this also. Good news indeed.

I wonder what she thought of all the bad behaviour by Messrs Sumner & Hook.

It will be interesting to see if she plans a little 'payback' on Hooky.
I have to be honest - I really wouldn't blame her.

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#192 Posted : 27 June 2022 13:53:12(UTC)
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Yay! We're finally going to get Gillian's side of the story! Can't wait. Give that Hooky twat what for, G!
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#193 Posted : 27 June 2022 21:44:39(UTC)
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"Social Media Manager" for New Order: Joseph Eley


I suppose I should have elaborated on this. From his profile: "Social Media Manager for New Order, Joy Division, Hans Zimmer Live, The Fratellis, Yann Tiersen, ACR + loads more"

Perhaps he's spreading himself too thin...

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#194 Posted : 28 June 2022 03:50:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
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"Social Media Manager" for New Order: Joseph Eley


I suppose I should have elaborated on this. From his profile: "Social Media Manager for New Order, Joy Division, Hans Zimmer Live, The Fratellis, Yann Tiersen, ACR + loads more"

Perhaps he's spreading himself too thin...



Sorry Andy. I forgot to respond to this.

I don't think the lyric videos have been particularly good, but the news items (rare as they are) haven't been too bad, so he's doing something right.

But, yeah, that is quite a few artists, so he might have his hands full. Maybe he farms things out to others too.
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#195 Posted : 28 June 2022 04:03:04(UTC)
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Yay! We're finally going to get Gillian's side of the story! Can't wait. Give that Hooky twat what for, G!


Big Grin

As we all know, she's a class act, so I'd be surprised if she really laid into him (even though I think she really should).

Here's hoping that there's a bit of fire shown from her, at least in a measured way.

And, most importantly, I want her to set the record straight.
I'm not going to kid myself and say she was the driving force behind most of their records, but I'm positive that she made very significant contributions to these tracks.

And that's just the songs. She also did a tonne more:

touring;
playing the gigs, sometimes with incredibly hostile (mostly) male audiences;
doing the interview rounds;
putting up with the bad behaviour of the other three and Rob;

and, in recent years, having to put with frankly horrible comments from Mr Hook about her contribution to the above.


Really looking forward to reading what she has to say.

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#196 Posted : 28 June 2022 07:06:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Andy Go to Quoted Post
"Social Media Manager" for New Order: Joseph Eley


I suppose I should have elaborated on this. From his profile: "Social Media Manager for New Order, Joy Division, Hans Zimmer Live, The Fratellis, Yann Tiersen, ACR + loads more"

Perhaps he's spreading himself too thin...



Sorry Andy. I forgot to respond to this.

I don't think the lyric videos have been particularly good, but the news items (rare as they are) haven't been too bad, so he's doing something right.

But, yeah, that is quite a few artists, so he might have his hands full. Maybe he farms things out to others too.


The Procession being "...the third single from Movement..." tweet particularly bothered me. Partly due to the mistake, but mainly because after it was pointed out, it wasn't taken down/corrected.

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#197 Posted : 28 June 2022 10:32:25(UTC)
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Yay! We're finally going to get Gillian's side of the story! Can't wait. Give that Hooky twat what for, G!


Big Grin

As we all know, she's a class act, so I'd be surprised if she really laid into him (even though I think she really should).

Here's hoping that there's a bit of fire shown from her, at least in a measured way.


Yes I think I got a bit overexcited for a moment there and could and should have chosen my words better. I fully trust Gillian to say whatever she feels she wants and needs to say about Mr Hook and in her own very classy way.
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#198 Posted : 30 July 2022 20:58:02(UTC)
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#199 Posted : 28 October 2022 09:09:36(UTC)
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New Lyric video.

Album version of the track. 12" version of the artwork (sort of). Why be straightforward, eh?

New Order - Sub-culture (Official Lyric Video)

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#200 Posted : 29 October 2022 03:36:21(UTC)
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New Lyric video.

Album version of the track. 12" version of the artwork (sort of). Why be straightforward, eh?

New Order - Sub-culture (Official Lyric Video)



I think they made a nice job of this.

They didn't f**k up the lyrics (like they did on some previous videos) and I really liked the way they used the typography to recite the lyrics.



Just as an aside, that moment at 3:20 when Hook's bass kicks in is one of the greatest in musical history. No doubt.

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