Following the Countdown footage in NO Spotting (Did Countdown change its name from/to Veronica's Countdown?)...I'm reminded of a couple of NO memories from... when I was a very small boy.

First was a TV memory from about 83 or 84. A Dutch TV show had Bernard and Hooky on. The two of them did a crappy version of BM and I think, another track.
This was then shown on UK TV in a couple of separate clips/chunks ("We have footage from Holland"). I think it may have been shown on a late night edition of C4's The Tube. The Tube was usually on around dinner time on a Friday evening. But I remember them doing a late night epsiode so that they could show the "banned" Relax video by Frankie. And they may have done more than one late night episode. Anyone remember this two-man version of NO doing something for Dutch TV?

The other is a radio memory. BBC R1 I reckon. A documentary thing which I think was presented by Janice Long (RIP) in either the late 80's or early 90s. I think I remember Long talking about the name change from JD to NO (with political undertones) and the use of "fascist imagery" created by Saville and that it was "too much" for some people. I also seem to remember a lot of Hooky being used as part of the interview snippets that peppered the documentary. Even back then Hooky seemed to be the 'talky' one.

NO TV performances and radio documentaries seemed so rare to me back then that they're kinda the only ones I remember (along wth BM on TOTPs). So I don't think my mind invented this stuff. Anyone?..

Thinking about it, they did do 'Blue Monday' plus another track (Age Of Consent) on another TV programme back in the day:

'Switch' on Channel 4 on 01/04/83.

I'm sure you know about this already and it probably isn't the same, but thought I'd mention it in case you weren't aware.
I seem to think that 'Switch' was on late at night and, if I remember correctly, had some connection to The Tube (same producers maybe).

However, as you probably know, this was a 'full band' performance. Not just Bernard and Hooky.

Here it is:

^ Never heard of Barney and Hooky just the two of them doing BM live on some tv show.Doesn't ring any bells .Not to say it never happened but i never heard of it.

I always think of Countdown as Veronica's Countdown because old Video and cassette lists for NO back in the day listed it as Veronica's Countdown.

I remember the 2 part Radio 1 thing called Substance but not heard it for years.It was the late great Janice Long who presented (RIP) ? All i remember is one part was on a Saturday early afternoon.

I vaguely remember Switch when it was on tv but for some reason i never watched it, only that i was aware it was a music show that was on Fridays (teatime slot?) when The Tube was off air.I always watched The Tube but i never watched Switch.Odd eh? So i never saw NO's performance on it until i got hold of a VHS tape of it from a work colleague a couple of years later

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^ Yes, things do turn up occasionally that are a surprises to lifelong fans.It wasn't until the mid 2000s that i beccame aware of that German tv show when they performed Thieves Like Us on the side of a lorry.I'd never heard of it let alone see it before then.Same thing with Regret on some Dutch tv show in 1993.I was completely oblivious to its existence until you sent me your list and then the clip a a few years back, perspex.

By your description, I'm just reminded of this performance, also from Dutch / Belgian TV ('Pop Elektron', 25/05/84):


Hooky in leather jacket;
Mostly in darkness;
Studio floor;
No studio audience etc.

I know this is a performance of 'Thieves Like Us', not 'Blue Monday', but just wondered whether they actually recorded a version of Blue Monday too, but this either wasn't shown on that programme or just hasn't leaked to the internet yet. Maybe 'The Tube' got hold of both tracks and showed both of them at some point. Just a thought.

It doesn't really explain why The Other Two wouldn't be present for 'Blue Monday' though.

It certainly sounds like a completely separate performance.
Man, I really want to see this now.

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Good effort. Just erase the other two (!) and you might have me convinced.


The bit I'm sure of is that the presenter said they had two members of the band in to perform - and it wasn't S&G (cos one of the performers was the singer and the other one had a bass guitar, a beard and a leather jacket)
If I've got something wrong here it could be the track. I'm not saying I have got the track wrong, but I distinctly remember the (European/Dutch) presenter telling us which members of NO were there to perform. Maybe they only performed BM up to the point where you have to change the floppy. Also it wasn't a live broadcast. Could they have recorded two takes: pre and post floppy change?

I've done some asking around and it's been suggested to me that there was a Dutch clip shown on an episode of 'The Tube'.
The episode in question was the 'A Midsummer Night's Tube' programme from 24/06/83, which was a four-hour marathon programme. This was presumably (at least partially) broadcast later than the usual slot, which is line with your memory, Debaser.

However, it's also been suggested that this was the 'Countdown' clip.

Sadly, I can't find the episode online. I've asked the guy who's posted a load of 'Tube' episodes to YouTube if he could post this, but no response as yet.

It might not be the same thing as what you've mentioned but, at the very least, it would be good for you to see it (including how the clip was introduced etc.) and rule it out once and for all.

Well he must have access to the Channel 4 archive, as the episodes he’s posted have definitely come from archives rather than off-air broadcasts (based on the time clocks etc.).
He’s posted all the regular episodes (or pretty much anyway) sequentially by season. There’s a possibility he wasn’t aware of the one-off ‘specials’. Hopefully, if he sees my comment, he might try and dig out the episode from the archive. If he still has access, of course.




Think there were Midsummer editions in both 1983 and 1984.
I think I saw the opening for the ‘83 edition online earlier today and, again, they don’t list New Order as being on it. However, as it was 4 hours of stuff, I guess they probably couldn’t list everything. Maybe they only listed the stuff recorded by ‘The Tube’ and didn’t really promote the additional footage (from Dutch TV).

Who knows, eh? All speculation at this point. If I manage to find a copy, I’ll send you a link.

Ah. I didn't know that, Fotz.

...Actually that guy has posted it. It's an almost five-hour 'EuroPop' special:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enH12_39kr4 (The Smiths on at the 33min mark)

And, your mum was right - he really doesn't like that DJ!

Interestingly, the band was a five-piece at the time. I'm guessing that's Craig Gannon, with them (I'm not very familiar with the guy).
My word, though - they were pretty wonderful, weren't they? Lovely version of TIALTNGO. Marr is a god.




Incidentally, considering this YouTuber is not averse to posting the 4+hour 'Tube' specials, there's a reasonable chance he might post the 'Midsummer' specials at some point.

When I was a teen in the 80s, I hated The Smiths (which seems like heresy to me, now).
I was just put off by Morrissey being contrary and generally being a bit of a dick. I just couldn't get past that.

I was, in a word, foolish.

It wasn't until 'Electronic' that I decided to give them another try and was then blown away.
My focus was originally on Marr's music, and tried to just 'go along with' Moz's singing and lyrics.
Then, before I knew it, I was loving everything about them.

I haven't really looked back since and think they were a remarkable band. So many incredible songs.


I've also learned since then to separate art from artist. Which is just as well, considering Moz's current outlook on things.

Well, I’ve said for a number of years, I can separate art from artist, but if I was a lostprophets fan, I think I’d struggle.

However shit Morrissey is these days, he’s not Ian Watkins.

Just a refresh on my 'want' list.
Any help gratefully received:

xx/03/1983 - 'The Jeff Cooper Show', BBC Radio Manchester, 03/83 (band introduce the first play of 'Blue Monday')
10/05/1985 - 'Round Table', BBC Radio 1, 10/05/85 (TPK review) (6 minutes)
17/05/1985 - Interview - Powerhouse, Melbourne soundcheck, 17/05/85 (Gilbert) (30 minutes)
17/05/1985 - Telephone Interview - Powerhouse, Melbourne soundcheck, 17/05/85 (Gilbert) (5 minutes)
xx/xx/1986 - Feature, Radio Scorpio, 1986 (4 x 60 minute episodes)
xx/07/1986 - Interview, Manchester Radio, 07/86 (5 minutes)
12/02/1987 - Auckland Radio, 12/02/87 (Hook)
07/08/1987 - 'Jed The Fish', KROQ-FM, Pasadena, 07/08/87 (Hook)
xx/08/1987 - WFNX Boston, 08/87 (Hague)
13/08/1987 - Capital Radio, 13/08/87 (Morris & Gilbert)
23/01/1989 - French Radio, 23/01/89 (15 minutes)
21/03/1989 - 'The Mark Findlay Show', Aberdeen Radio, 21/03/89 (Hook)

18/05/1990 - 'Joy Division Special', DT64 (East Germany), 18/05/90 (120 minutes)
21/05/1990 - 'BBC Look North', 21/05/90 (5 minutes)
15/06/1990 - 'UK Chart Attack' #90-24, 15-21/06/90 (Hook introducing)
17/06/1990 - 'The Bill Shaw Show', NorthSound Radio, Aberdeen, 17/06/90 (Hook) (***)
09/09/1991 - 'Newsbeat', BBC Radio 1, 09/09/91 (Morris)
xx/11/1991 - BBC Radio 1 (Morris & Gilbert), 11/91 (2 minutes)
xx/11/1991 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 11/91 (Morris & Gilbert)
xx/12/1991 - 'Mark Goodier', BBC Radio 1, 12/91 (Morris & Gilbert) (***)
29/01/1992 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 29/01/92 (Hook & Potts) (Revenge)
20/03/1992 - 'Bite The Wax', Radio Scotland, 20/03/92 (Wilson) (***)[/b]
15/09/1992 - BBC Radio 1, 15/09/92 (5 minutes)
xx/xx/1992 - 'Mark Goodier', BBC Radio 1, Late 1992 (Morris & Gilbert) (***)
06/02/1993 - 'Kaleidoscope - Manchester RIP?', BBC Radio 4, 06/02/93 (Feature on Factory)
09/04/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-15, 09-15/04/93 (Hook introducing)
09/04/1993 - 'Rock Over London' #93-15, 09-15/04/93 (Sumner introducing)
xx/05/1993 - KROQ-FM Radio, 05/93 (1 minute)
14/05/1993 - 'Rock Over London' #93-20, 14-20/05/93 (?, 11:54)
19/05/1993 - 'Hit The North - Cook With Hook', BBC Radio 5 Live, 19/05/93 (Hook)
01/06/1993 - 'Cult Radio', BBC Radio 5 Live, 01/06/93 ("New Order re-invent The War of the Worlds")
11/06/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-24, 11-17/06/93 (Morris introducing)
11/08/1993 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 11/08/93 (Hook) (Hook presenting - Oasis session)
20/08/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-34, 20-26/08/93 (Hook introducing)
15/10/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-42, 15-22/10/93 (Morris & Gilbert) (The Other Two)
17/12/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-24, 17-23/12/93 (Morris introducing)
30/12/1993 - BBC Radio 1, 30/12/93 (possibly Hook presenting) (***)
16/05/1994 - 'On The Edge', Westwood One, 16/05/94 (Westwood One, Show #94-21) (?)
28/05/1994 - 'Out Of Order' #94-22, 28/05/94 (Hook)
28/10/1994 - 'Rock Over London' #94-44, 28/10-03/11/94 (Hook introducing)
10/11/1994 - 'Soundbite', BBC Radio 1, 10/11/94 (retospective)
18/12/1994 - 'The Art of Noise - Part 3: Electric Dreams', BBC Radio 1,18/12/94 (Hook features)
27/01/1995 - 'Rock Over London' #95-05, 27/01-02/02/95 (Hook introducing)
18/05/1995 - 'Les Inrockuptibles' French Radio, 18/05/95 (JD biography)

(***) used to have these and really want to try and obtain again (lost my tape collection)

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Thanks for this, quite a good interview Bernard gets quite personal in places. If it was the BBC I thought it might be Janice Long at first but now I'm thinking Mary Ann Hobbs who had an evening show around that time. Also noticed when I searched that WIM.net seem to mention it on their newsroom section, wonder if the general public questions were submitted through them? All a complete guess though really!

http://www.worldinmotion.net/newsroom/1998.htm