So, seeing as Paul McCartney felt the need to diss the Rolling Stones in an interview, it got me wondering, when Hooky, Barney et al are 79 and feeling the need to get in one last dig before retiring, who over the 55+ years (by then) are they still holding an unseemly grudge against?

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^^^This^^^

Steve & Gillian will be as diplomatic as ever (or, if you prefer, will remain sat firmly on the fence).

I've never really heard Bernard openly criticise anyone, or at least not to any major extent.
Not sure if he bitches about anyone in his book (which I have still yet to read) though.

Also, as I've said on another thread, I've never heard anyone say anything really bad about Bernard. Apart from Hooky, that is.

I'm sure Mr. Sumner is no angel, but he doesn't seem the type to get involved in squabbles, if he doesn't have to.

Well If we're talking about places, Bernard did once say at a gig in Dublin "shit country you've got here", or words to that effect ('86?).
Didn't stop them recording half of Brotherhood at Windmill Lane studios though. I sometimes wonder if they did so for tax reasons.
Artists don't have to pay income tax in Ireland ("the land of saints and scholars"), which is why people like Lisa Stansfield ended up moving to Dublin in the early 90s. I thought this tax exemption had gone or been changed, but it still appears to exist in some shape or form according to this.

As for Berlin, Bernard was quite positive about the place here.




A little harsh. He likes Damon/Gorillaz. I think he used to drink with Alex James in the Groucho too. Arthur Baker is still friends with him as per that recent interview. Hooky said in one of his Lockdown Instagram chats that he would see other artists as the competition back in the '80s, but since then, whenever he has met any of the "competition" he has usually found them quite likable.

Going off topic a bit, anyone remember It Bites who had a hit with Calling All The Heroes back in the 80s? I remember they did one of those interviews where you get asked: Best actor, Worst actor, Best band, Worst band etc. And their singer gave New Order for worst band. He's probably long since forgotten the interview, but I'm still holding a fan-grudge!

EDIT:

They socialised with Wham! when both acts were in the US at the same time in the 80s (same label - Warners). And when George died, Hooky said this:

Edited by user 14 October 2021 14:54:48(UTC)  | Reason: Wham! - rephrase

I didn't mean they were on tour together. I meant both acts were in the states separately and met/partied at Warners events.
See here about nine lines down.

Ah! Thanks, I misunderstood.

Yeah, I know. Crazy, eh? 😀

It’s in my pile of things to do. I’ve got a handful of other New Order books I still need to read as well.

I think I’ve been put off somewhat by everyone saying it’s tremendously dull.
It would likely take me several nights to get through it, and for probably very little enjoyment.

Now ‘Gun World Porn’? That would take you 20 minutes! No excuses. 😉

Agreed, in theory. I think this is partly why I haven't read it. From all accounts, he barely touches on important stuff. The creative process etc.
He also skips over huge chunks of history, apparently.

I'll get around to it. It's just fairly low priority at the moment.

I've read most of the JD/NO texts. Hook and Morris' JD & NO ones, Torn Apart, the Jon Savage one and the Butterworth book, amongst many others. But there are other NO related ones I will probably go through before Sumner's book.
For instance, I started 'Shadowplayers' a little while back and I really need to get through that first. My, my, that's a weighty tome. It's going to take a while to read all of that.

Hooky had mentioned in at least one interview that he went to see Green Day with young Jack. He didn't like them much but was impressed with the way they'd get audience members on stage to play each of their instruments. And yes, I vaguely remember Bernard mentioning Green Day in sweary terms at that gig, I'm guessing Bernard and Hooky had discussed them. In fact, here you go: Bernard at 1Hr,31mins,01sec.


What a gig!

Whilst I'm being generous with Youtube clips. Here's Gun World Porn

Hey that's my own YT upload! Forgotten about that one




Well, i finally listened.Now that's 34 minutes of my life i'll never get back.Or at a push 25 minutes i'll never get back as the last 9 minutes were more bearable, the last 2 tracks were ok ish.Are they 2 remixes of State Of Shock or something? They were ok but i'd still never listen again.The rest was just awful.Creatively bankrupt and i have an intense hatred for Hook's lyrics and vocal.

Of course he's gonna say they were better. What do you expect him to say? 'Boy, we SUCK! Been listening to the new Get Back release and it is total and utter f..king shit. Been working on it for months and it's still shit. Do yourself and favour and don't buy it. It's so shit. I think there's a new Coldplay album coming out. Buy that instead, they piss all over us. We are shit.'

Didn't bother with the Barnster's bio cos I heard it was superficial and vague. Also I'm not too fussed about muso bios cos they don't always give much insight (teehee) into the actual art, unlike, say, Ingmar Bergman. It's different with the Beatles cos I'm an obsessive and there's always something new to discover.
There's not much Electronic lit and that also goes for Marred Johnny's buke.
Well Fotz, if that's your opinion of GWP, you must really hate the early stuff. It's strange... When I was younger, I thought Revenge were shit. But I revisited them and now I know they were shit.

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7 Reasons and It's Quiet are okay cos they're focussed - same goes for Amsterdam, but it's a Cale cover. The rest is sprawling, messy and total shit. Slave had some better mixes (as did Pineapple Face), but they chose that silly (c)rap one for the single. Even Paul Lester, part of that ludicrous 'up there with the Beatles and the Stones' bullshit, didn't advance on 'patchy'.
What's the difference between rap and trap? The letter t.
Slightly off-topic but I reread Cunter Davies' Bestles bio for the first time since I was 14 and I couldn't believe how vague it gets. It's great up until 1965 and then he just skims over the rest, Whole albums aren't even mentioned and as for the tours, he actually writes, 'You can find the details in the papers if you're mad enough.' Sorry, isn't that his job? Philip Norman's Shout is far more engaing, though a lot of the fact has been questioned.
Found Hooky's NO bio on PDF (ain't shelling out for that twat) and I gave up after about ten pages. Too much testosterone. But what was I expecting, Sylvia Plath?
Apparently Gillian's writing a bio too. I'm gonna resist comment.

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If you're still alive afterwards, let me know how it went.
Freud said that when you undergo trauma, the brain removes it because the memory would drive you to madness or suicide. That's why I can't remember Revenge.
Come on, Perspexorange (do remember the comma in that sentence). You know you want to.