Another book to to tell the story.

https://www.palazzoediti...y-division-%2B-new-order

Jeez, nothing like reading the same old story over and over again. And that pixelated image on the cover is crap, unoriginal and half arsed lazy.

Can preorder for £20 on WHSmith website. Might go for it and combine with the Rebel Remix Vinyl + CD - £40 in total as £12 off £50 spend at moment.

"He has interviewed almost every major pop star of the past three decades, including Kurt Cobain, Fugees, Ed Sheeran, Elton John, Enya, Kate Bush, Beyonce, Britney Spears, Bon Jovi, Pet Shop Boys, Simply Red, Mark E. Smith, Frankie Valli, Iron Maiden, Kylie Minogue, Depeche Mode, Celine Dion, Chris Cornell, Joe Strummer, Take That, George Michael, Mariah Carey, Cranberries, Blur, Iron Maiden, Public Enemy, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Amy Winehouse, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Shania Twain, The Cure, Sting and a host of others"

But not New Order by the looks of it

Well, yeah, you're probably mostly right.

I do think, though, that use of songs on films/TV programmes regularly generate enough interest in the band to convert a few people.

A good example was the use of 'Blue Monday' in that Wonder Woman trailer and in Ready Player One. I would guess that that did get a few inquisitive people to check out some other tunes.

Similarly, use of the much less known 'Elegia' in signifiant media such as Metal Gear Solid trailer and Stranger Things led to some interest.
I remember watching the clip from Stranger Things on YouTube and, reading the comments, there were people who were mentioning both New Order and Metal Gear Solid.
Considering Kojima's love of the band, and the fan devotion there is to his work, I'd be very surprised if there weren't a tonne of newer fans who came to the band directly from MGS.

Also, the various Facebook groups seem to be full of younger fans (especially from mainland Europe and South America).

Iron Maiden mentioned twice there. Barely worth mentioning once.



Yeah that's kinda true. You often see comments like "Hey I've only just discovered TBTHOG because it wasn't on Substance." Or "Did anyone know there was a film called Married To The Mob which had a different version of BLT?"



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I should point out that Aizlewood is very passionate in his interview and, fair play to him, he actually saw JD live (I'm more than slightly jealous!).

So although, as pointed out above, it doesn't look like he interviewed the band (*), he sounds like someone that knows his stuff and, presumably, hasn't gone into the project half-arsed.


(*) I haven't heard the whole podcast yet, so maybe he did interview the band and will mention this later on.

Difference is: the Spice Girls were musically sh*t, and mostly appealed to (1) girls aged 6 to 14, (2) marketing men and showbiz reporters and (3) blokes who were too ashamed to buy porn. I agreed with Eminem when he said he "can't figure out which Spice Girl I want to impregnate". The more you scrutinized them, the less attractive any one of them actually was.

I never thought JD looked too atractive either, but their impact on music was a little bit more important. At least it was/is for those who are interested.

Well it seems that there are certain subjects which are almost guaranteed to get you some sales if you approach them with a bit of effort.
Factory/JD/NO seems to be one of those subjects. Which is probably why Paul Borely has done another Factory/Wilson related book (which someone on twitter announced they had already received in the post, although it's not out til 21st October). Here's a guy at Faber & Faber trying to hustle an advance copy into Terry Christian's hands:

Should such works be limited strictly to "the professional"? Well there's an argument that fan experiences are also worth documenting. The Beasties Boys once handed out a bunch of video cameras to their fans in order to film a gig from the audience persective. A film called Blinded By The Light came out in 2019 - a semi-autobiographical drama about a British-Asian guy growing up in Luton and finding inspiration in....Bruce Springsteen. And of course our own Dennis here on the forum tells us he has a publication deal for his Ceremony to Superheated blog.

I guess sometimes it just depends on how well you do things.

Having said that, the chances of me buying this latest JD effort are virtually nil. But if someone else wants to read it and report back on any interesting bits here on the forum, then I'll happily pay attention for a minute or two!

My previous post was really my way of having a pop at a girl band I care little for. Other than Carl Urban/Billy Bucther's Spice Girls releated speech in series 2 of The Boys, my interest in "the girls" has been virtually zero since about 1997. But now alas, they're starting to pop up again in retrospectives about the 90's . I live in hope that one day I may never have to hear them mentioned again...


EDIT: Ok this guy actually is a "professional". So it may well be just another cash-in. We'll see, next month.

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I doubt it.
Tbh I'd prefer the opposite approach: hard FACts (see what I etc) instead of yet more Borely bolox, Savage shite and Wilson wank. The best Beatle writer for me is Mark Lewishon and I'd love to see something similar here:
1. A day by day history
2. A day by day recording history
3. A kinda Lett's Study Aids summary, cramming the salient facts into 80 Pages. Yummy.
What's the difference between covid and the Spice Girls? Covid might go away

It'd be grate to have a complete documentary, like 'Joy Division', The Pistols' 'Filth and Fury' or the Beatles' 'Anthology', but it's probably too sprawling. 'New Order Story' was so awful people later tried to pass it off as tongue-in-cheek, but it wasn't. NME praised it for being one of the few docs that summed up the character of the subject and Claud Flowers called that beyond cringeworthy narration 'rapturous'.

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... And I know Wings aren't to everyone's taste, but Wingspan was the perfect format: No bullshit, no done-to-death pomos, no journo wankuz, no 'Yeah I used to live in the same hemisphere as Linda's cat once', just an exclusive Paul interview-cum-footage on every year from the inauspicious start to the megatour to falling apart again. That's how like my docs.
Today's Interesting Fact About Wings: On 6 February 2004, the subject of Wings came up and someone didn't quote Alan Partridge. Respect!

Joy Division are shit.
They could do a New Order Story 2 - not something as beyond unwatchable as that crap, but the post-Repubelic story, cos that period's been one more often than my mother.